High Caffeine - Reduce effectiveness of vaping??

[slypknot]

Hi All!

As a n00b to vaping/quitting analogs - I'm happy to report I've been doing both for a little over a month now! (Go signature banner go!). However, I have run into something that is rather troubling.

I began to experience strong cravings - like when I would go for a while without an analog. Normally, I would just smoke a cig and feel that sudden 'nico-relaxed' feeling... but these days, I'm vaping! So I picked up the PV, loaded it with 24mg juice and started 'er up. Felt nothing after 5-7mins of non-stop vaping.

I then picked up my second PV - loaded it with 36mg juice and started vaping in tandem with the 24mg PV.

I still felt no affects of the nicotine.... I continued this for a while (those on ECF chat who were there with me can attest)... eventually I just gave up and let the jones pass after a few hours.

It has been expressed to me that due to the high amounts of caffeine I consume (soda) that this affects the way nicotine is absorbed by my body. Up to this point I have been using nico-gum (chewing) while I vape - and even then I may/may not actually feel any nicotine at all.

I was a 2 pack a day smoker for 20+yrs. I know when my body has nicotine and when it does not.

Any thoughts on this? Today I am dropping caffeine from my diet all together - because I'd rather enjoy a caffeine headache than have a body 100% tolerant to any nicotine level....it's either that, or I'm going to try 48mg ejuice, which concerns me due to the affects on my body.

 

[ropetrick]

I'm not sure of the mechanism for caffeine interfering with nicotine, but some thoughts...

First, be very careful vaping 48mg. Or chewing nicotine gum while vaping, for that matter. Seems likely to make you ill, even if you were a 2 PAD smoker. The very thought makes me nauseated.

I consume a profound amount of caffeine, and it doesn't seem to affect my nicotine needs at all, but that's just anecdotal. I wonder if the effect is psychological, or perhaps it's a craving for one of the other zillion chemicals in analogs.

 

[Crystallas]

Could it be, that you have noticed the withdrawal of the other 3999 chemicals found in analogs? Tar buildup so thick in your throat and lungs, that nothing can possibly be absorbed!?

I hope someone has input for slyp that actually helps. He didn't like my suggestion. (exercise)

 

[MsOceanCity]

I typically drink 8 cups of coffee per day and I'm really not sure if that effects the way my body reacts to nic. I just know that it keeps me off the analogs just fine I am pretty much a chain vaper, though, and 24-36mg. I'll have to experiment with temporarily cutting out caffine, to see if it makes any difference. Not sure what that'll happen, though, as it scares the heck outta me! LOL

 

[slypknot]

Welp I'm now on Day 3 of no caffeine... I am also still not really feeling much effects of nicotine via vaping.

I'm starting to wonder if any of the 36mg nicotine is actually being absorbed by the body once I vape it, or if vaping is simply a placebo 100% affect for me.

So I'm going to try something. Buy 4 bottles of the same flavor juice - 2 will be 0mg and 2 will be 36mg. I'll remove the labels, mix up the bottles, and choose a new one each day to vape from. If I can't tell the difference then I will have confirmed (at least for me) that indeed the nicotine is making zero difference.... Then it'll be time to keep vaping 0mg and using nicotine lozenges to cut the edge off...which would be a bummer to say the least.

 

[Jimi Hendrix]

National Geographic had an issue on caffeine a few years ago. I recall an article in it about caffeine and nicotine's effects on one another. If I remember correctly, caffeine reduces nicotine's effectiveness as a stimulant in half.

I also seem to recall them saying nicotine doubles the rate that caffeine is metabolized by the body. I think this is why coffee and cigarettes go hand in hand for a lot of people.

 

[bigsix300]

i wonder if this article has anything to do with it A Clinical Laboratory Model for Evaluating the Acute Effects of Electronic

 

[Kurt]

slypknot, I recommend looking into snus. Specifically swedish snus. It is about as safe as vaping, and provides much of the other things you may be craving. Many here have found it to be really effective.

As for caffeine, vaping makes me want LESS caffeine, or perhaps I am feeling the synergistics between nic and caffeine, and its the caffeine that is getting regulated. I've heard others say this too, and then some others haven't changed their caffeine intake at all.

But then, snus and coffee is a nice combo!

 

[kinabaloo]

Strangely though, coffee is second richest source of MAOIs after analog smoke.

But perhaps the alleged interference of caffeine has the greatest effect (after all, the MAOIs in coffee are not that high). Maybe the caffeine simply masks the nicotine.

Haven't some people remarked on increased coffe drinking with vaping or have i misremembered?

 

[Chasm]

Strangely though, coffee is second richest source of MAOIs after analog smoke.

But perhaps the alleged interference of caffeine has the greatest effect (after all, the MAOIs in coffee are not that high). Maybe the caffeine simply masks the nicotine.

Haven't some people remarked on increased coffe drinking with vaping or have i misremembered?

Several people, including myself, have noticed a significant reduction in coffee/caffeine intake.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/nicotine/70832-anyone-else-drinking-less-coffee.html

Many others have noticed no such reduction (see thread above).

Offhand, I don't recall anyone noticing an increase (though I haven't actually looked for such people).

 

[Hotwire]

I drink coffee morning to night all day long, I love it. Every single day without fail. I can't even go to work without having had it first it as I don't feel like I've been 'switched on yet.'

Well I drink a lot of coffee and I only vape 11mg nic juices but heck, I feel it. I actually dislike it as my heartbeat pounds in my ears and sometimes I get a pounding in the back of my head so i'm dropping down to 6mg.

So my experience refutes the caffeine reducing nicotine effects theorum.

I still have to smoke now and then for that relaxed feel which either comes from the moais in smoke or the carbon monoxide effect. Especially when drinking, vapor is like breathing in flavored air when I drink - useless.

I wish they could add the moais or other tobacco constituants to e-liquids that would make them give that relaxing effect!