High heat = Lower Life Expectancy of RBA/RDA

[Knic]

So I've run into this discussion that high heat can and will decrease the life of an RBA/rda. Specifically, my Atomic rda. I've noticed several people having issues of their insulators breaking down resulting in the positive post to spin freely. This raised a flag so I decided to look more into it.

Apparently, in one's opinion, high heat builds may be the contributor to the insulator breaking down so he recommended changing the coil build to avoid long exposure to high heat, especially when you chain vape. This disturbed me a little due to the fact some flavors I vape really taste best at a certain temperature

Currently, I'm vamping Boba's Bounty and absolutely love the flavor/vapor/TH at around .4 ohms on a fresh battery in a mechanical mod. At 4.2v this comes to about 45 watts. At 3.7v it comes to about 35 watts. I then thought maybe I can build a higher resistant coil and use a VV/VW to get the flavor/vapor/TH I'd like. But it doesn't make sense that this would resolve my issue. Just because I'm raising the resistance in my coil build, I'm still producing the same amount of heat by raising the wattage/voltage. Is this correct or am I getting it twisted somewhere?

How would I avoid this issue and prolong the life of my RDA/RBA? Or am I SOL and just need to stock myself a few insulators and replace them as needed? (I'm still trying to find a reseller to carry these parts btw.)

Not sure if I answered my own question, but thought it could lead to a discussion anyway. I look forward to your responses!

 

[pdib]

So, that's a delrin insulator? As opposed to the silicone insulators usually found in atties? (which don't break down? . .. . and are probably the exact same size and would fit in there no problem? . . . . ←just guessing . . . IDK)

 

[Knic]

I never looked into what kind of insulator the Atomic uses. Maybe someone can chime in. If you're right, are you saying I can replace the insulator with a silicone insulator? Are there any generic insulators or would it have to model specific?

I also thought that I may be looking at all this in the wrong way. I"m led to believe that more heat produces more vapor? I understand there are other factors involved but being a cloud chaser, I'm trying to look at this in a scientific way and figure out how some people are able to produce clouds of vapor.

 

[Knic]

Also, maybe there's a different build that I would enjoy BB. So I'm trying to find a thread where people post their build on what they tape BB on.

 

[tiyantiyan]

Have you ever tried stock protank, ce2, ce3 variants? If they work for you, there is no need to go 30-40w.

I use minimum power (which is not only good for the insulator, but good for the body). Yet the result is same or stronger than real cig.

It's a fine balance among the amounts of air, fluid, heat (related to power and other factors), nic level, and flavor/menthol.
The protank, cex did a good job to find this balance.

 

[Knic]

okay so i'm testing different builds. can someone explain to me why a 1.9ohm build at 5v produces almost as much vapor in a .4 ohm build in a mech?

 

[st0nedpenguin]

Have you ever tried stock protank, ce2, ce3 variants? If they work for you, there is no need to go 30-40w.

I use minimum power (which is not only good for the insulator, but good for the body). Yet the result is same or stronger than real cig.

It's a fine balance among the amounts of air, fluid, heat (related to power and other factors), nic level, and flavor/menthol.
The protank, cex did a good job to find this balance.

There's literally no useful comparison between a decent dripper and a clearo.

Literally none.

 

[tiyantiyan]

okay so i'm testing different builds. can someone explain to me why a 1.9ohm build at 5v produces almost as much vapor in a .4 ohm build in a mech?

How tight and how long are the two coils? These are two example reasons. There are many factors as I said.

 

[tiyantiyan]

There's literally no useful comparison between a decent dripper and a clearo.

Literally none.

Probably you didn't get the point.
The point is not everyone need to and like burning 30-50W in their mouth.

And not everyone should do it. Especially for beginners.

 

[st0nedpenguin]

Probably you didn't get the point.
The point is not everyone need to and like burning 30-50W in their mouth.

And not everyone should do it. Especially for beginners.

People who don't want to vape 30w+ probably don't vape 30w+.

People who are though probably have very little interest in clearos, was kinda the point.

 

[Aal_]

I never looked into what kind of insulator the Atomic uses. Maybe someone can chime in. If you're right, are you saying I can replace the insulator with a silicone insulator? Are there any generic insulators or would it have to model specific?

I also thought that I may be looking at all this in the wrong way. I"m led to believe that more heat produces more vapor? I understand there are other factors involved but being a cloud chaser, I'm trying to look at this in a scientific way and figure out how some people are able to produce clouds of vapor.

Actually more power produces more vapor and more vapor produces more heat. I'm just ...., don't mind me.

 

[suspectK]

^so what would be a hotter cloud, 30watts at 0.6ohms, or 30 watts at 2ohms?.....

....

 

[tiyantiyan]

thank you aalwani, for reminding me not mind too much about .... stuffs

Knic, this thread is not your particular setup, but could be useful. his reasoning and summary is spot on.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...9240-kayfun-lite-list-problems-solutions.html

Many have similar ideas (basically balance of all these factors to find the sweet spot), but at least I can't do better to summarize so comprehensively.

 

[Aal_]

^so what would be a hotter cloud, 30watts at 0.6ohms, or 30 watts at 2ohms?.....

....

You introduces another variable. By changing the resistance you changed either the length/type of the wire and/or the contact area. If both wires have same surface area and same heat up time they would produce same amount of vapor therefore same heat. But you wouldn't be able to test that because you cannot have 2 different resistances with the same wire length and thickness. My claim still stands