High VG Vaping

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So I am somewhat new to vaping. I have been using 50/50 pg/vg and would like to move to a higher vg ratio. Any suggestions for tanks, carto's or clearo's?

I love 100 percent VG in my Stardust clearomizers on my ego-T. Easy draw, big clouds of vapor. VG, to me, has a recognizable and almost indefinable undertaste, something like very sweet, very mild wintergreen, not pronounced, and it doesn't interfere with or take away from the flavor you're vaping. Well, I said indefinable. I like to release the vapor through my nose too, which is something I never did with cigarette smoke. I get that indefinable VG flavor/aroma there too.
 

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I've tried Boba's Bounty (100% VG) with the Mini Vivi Nova and Kanger T3. It wicked fine in both, but flavor was almost nonexistent despite doing things like flipping the silicon cap. There was plenty of vapor, but there was no taste whatsoever. I've had much more luck with the Kanger T2s. However the T2 build quality doesn't seem as good in terms of durability, so after a while you may need to replace the tanks. They tend to be much cheaper though, so that sort of makes up for it.
 

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Ah,but VG is counter-productive to flavor,this is why most good mix go with 30% VG for vapor production and 70% PG for good taste,cant have one AND the other! (apparently) unless you over flavor your juice which is most of the time a big disaster :(

I reckon high VG could be best done with tobacco flavoring though
 

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She11Kat, welcome to ecf! You've come to the right place. Lot of good reading here.
Wow everyone getting pretty technical in here with the vg pg stuff for a new vaper, but thats not really a bad thing, can just be overwhelming to someone new. I've vaped 100% vg(what the bottle says) since I started because I like thick heavy clouds that pg doesn't offer. If you wanna keep it simple and not be a chemist with your juice, put another hole in the carto(if your using a tank). The brand of carto is also an important factor. Boges and 100% vg dont mix well, the filler material is just too thick compared to a smoktecs. In the end I found myself questioning how long I plan on vaping. Ive decided Ill probably do it for a long time so I decided to invest in the more expensive devices such as genesis type devices and hybrids were you can put any juice you want into, chain vape it and not spend $1-2 a week on a chinese carto. Let alone the hassle thats involved with them. Every smoker that Ive turned to vaping tries one of my devices and is more than willing to spend a few more bucks and get the better stuff. I mean lets face it, if you were a pack a day smoker thats alot of money your spending every month without question, so do yourself a favor a spend a lil money on yourself and get some nicer stuff. Ok Im rambling, my intention is not for you to empty your wallet/purse...

Bottom line is there is no way possible to vape and it just be simple, theres fiddling involved with every way to vape. In my experience the cheaper stuff like cartos and throw away items like that are just that 'throw away items'. If your just vaping to eventually quit vaping, then stick with the cheaper stuff thats a little less technical, but if your gonna vape for a while look into some of the higher end stuff now and trust me you will never look back, I know I havent.

Main thing is that your not smoking which is most important. Hope this helps and good luck! You can PM me if you have any questions about some better gear. Some of it is really expensive but most have cheaper clones that do the same thing.
 
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And who would a few of those be? I know Virgin Vapers 100% VG caramel vapes well in my tank. She add distiller water. My caramel has a decent throat hit too. I haven't tried her other flavors because I like 36 mg nic usually and they top at 24 like most.

CigEasy E-Liquids, Ahlusion and Alice In Vapeland are my top 3 favorites :thumbs:
 

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I've tried Boba's Bounty (100% VG) with the Mini Vivi Nova and Kanger T3. It wicked fine in both, but flavor was almost nonexistent despite doing things like flipping the silicon cap. There was plenty of vapor, but there was no taste whatsoever. I've had much more luck with the Kanger T2s. However the T2 build quality doesn't seem as good in terms of durability, so after a while you may need to replace the tanks. They tend to be much cheaper though, so that sort of makes up for it.

Switch to a carto tank and you'll be amazed at the difference in flavor and vapor. I use Smokteks pre-punched with 2 holes at 1.7 and 2.0 ohms in a pyrex tank with 10/90 pg/vg blends from Alien Visions.

Bought a genuine ViVI Nova because of the rave reviews on them and noticed the exact same thing using Hype from AVE.

Switched over to my Phiniac tank using the setup mentioned above and the difference was like night and day.

This post isnt meant to take anything away from the ViVi as I think its great for a lot of people but VG juices arent its strong point without modification in my experience.
 
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Ah,but VG is counter-productive to flavor,this is why most good mix go with 30% VG for vapor production and 70% PG for good taste,cant have one AND the other! (apparently) unless you over flavor your juice which is most of the time a big disaster :(

I reckon high VG could be best done with tobacco flavoring though

You havent tried any of AVE's juices yet have you?
 

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You can also dilute your PG juice even more with distilled water and/or vodka for your desired vape. Note that when doing this, the flavor of your e juice may be altered. This is also refering to any suggestions of tanks, cartos, etc. Some tanks, when using straight VG seem to not wick as well vs PG due to it thicker chemical make-up hope this heips.
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I've vaped 100% VG for over three years so here are some observations.

The term '100% VG' is actually meaningless because it can mean pure VG with no water, or it can mean correctly-diluted VG with distilled water or alcohol. It depends entirely on the vendor, each has a different meaning for it. To be usable for vaping, in my opinion a VG liquid should be almost as thin as a PG-based one, otherwise it won't wick fast enough. However, like everything in vaping, that's a matter of opinion - everyone's is different. It depends what hardware you're using.

To make a VG liquid as thin as it needs to be for my taste, I add up to 20% DW and/or alcohol and then add flavoring, which means the final result might be 30% dilution. As has been mentioned here, almost all flavorings are based on PG, alcohol or water - so if you add 10% flavoring then basically you are adding almost 10% diluent anyway. In other words if you add 20% diluent then 10% flavor then you have added about 30% diluent to the VG, which makes it far more usable (IMO).

It's hard to find flavors that are glycerine based as against PG based. I don't worry about this because IMO a couple of percent PG kills pathogens (both in the base liquid and also in the resulting aerosol, and possibly helps with potential lung infection issues) and is not noticeable in the mix even if you have a PG intolerance issue (for me at any rate). I think some PG in there is a good thing [1].

I mainly DIY so here are a couple of examples of base materials and how they can be used:

RTS Vapes '100% VG' unflavored base
This is an undiluted glycerine [2] base and almost as thick as a gel. It is unusable (for me) until it has been thinned, although I respect the fact that someone somewhere will like it as it is, for their particular usage. Because it needs extensive dilution, you need to buy it many times stronger than your final target strength. To get it as thin as I require, it needs a 20% addition of diluent plus whatever is in the flavoring: for example 15% DW plus 15% flavor. Essentially this means it has had 30% diluent added. The vape quality is not affected in any way by such extensive dilution, if anything it's improved, at least for my taste - although like anything in vaping, any matter of taste is debatable and purely a personal matter. An interesting point is that adding water to an e-liquid does not seem to be a negative, although there might well be a limit. I try to keep the total dilution to 30% but only because I can't be bothered to experiment with higher dilutions, and up to 30% is just fine.

Ecopure Krystal '100% VG' unflavored base
This is a fully-diluted glycerine base and can be used as-is. It has been diluted with DW and EM. Because it is only available at 36mg, those who vape higher strengths are limited in how much flavor they can add, although typically the final mix will be above 30mg. This VG when ready for vaping is almost as thin as a typical PG mix, and is usable in almost all carto tanks etc. as per PG.



[1] After all this is one of the reasons why PG is used in the nebulizers used by lung transplant patients. It seems a useful addition to VG liquids especially when used by vapers with smoking-related lung diseases such as emphysema.

[2] Our use of the term 'VG' is now incorrect, as times have moved on. Although originally a vegetable-source glycerine was the best choice for vaping, this is no longer completely true, as pharma-grade synthetic glycerine is now available that is 100% pure (such as Dow Optim). Dow Chemical now advise Optim as the best excipient for inhalable medicines, in preference to their own 100% pure PG [3], which used to be the material advised for inhalable pharmaceuticals.

[3] Somewhere in this thread, a member has posted that ".....PG contains carcinogens". This is absolutely incorrect. A PG or VG-based pure nicotine source will contain carcinogens as these accompany the nicotine, and are either impossible or too expensive to remove. Once diluted to usable strengths for vaping, the retail liquid (either PG or VG based) will typically contain tobacco-origin carcinogens at approximately 8ng, a level exactly equal to that generally present in NRT products such as nicotine skin patches. Such levels have been described by an epidemiologist and professor of public health who is a noted expert in this field as, "millions of times lower than conceivably harmful to health". Snus generally contains such carcinogens in the range 1,200ng to 2,000ng/gm and has no statistically-detectable cancer effect, according to several meta-analyses of multiple studies such as Lee & Hamlin's various works [4]. In other words, Snus may contain 250 times more carcinogens than e-liquid, but has no detectable cancer-causing effect.

[4] There have been more than 150 clinical studies of Snus in Sweden, over almost 30 years. A very small number of studies (<5) showed a possibility of a pancreatic cancer increase. These studies have either been discredited due to suboptimal methodology, or their results disappear when combined with the other 145 + studies that showed no such effect. The effect is not observable at all in the meta-analyses even though other effects such as a possibility of increased risk for stroke is visible just above the background noise. It should be noted that:
(a) If 2 trials show an effect but 140 other trials don't, in general the larger picture is considered the most likely rather than the outliers.
(b) An equal number of trials showed the opposite, a protective effect against cancer, and these are also discarded as outliers by general agreement.
 
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My current set up includes IKV cartos and Phiniac tanks. Tried the Vivi Nova 2.5 but found the flavor too muted. Currently experimenting with Rebuildable atomizer tanks but the carto tanks are the most convenient option.

I use 20PG/80VG in my tanks. I punch up to 3 holes in the carto and take unpowered drags to make sure the juice is wicked. No problems so far. I use juices from AVE, Virgin Vapors, Highbrow, Ahlusion. All good.
 
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