there is still some of the unknown.
plus being a bad influence to kids.
and it's about respect.
Hmmmm .. Maybe not so safe?
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there is still some of the unknown.
plus being a bad influence to kids.
and it's about respect.
I'd be very interested to read quality peer-reviewed research on this topic. A quick google search didn't turn up much trustworthy information. As far as I can tell, the data so far is inconclusive. So if you have any links, please share. Honestly though, I'd be shocked if exhaled vapor didn't contain nicotine. Where did all the nicotine go? I find it hard to believe that it was ALL absorbed by the mouth and lungs. I doubt that vaping has 100% efficient nicotine delivery. Think about it.
Ya know, I am really really baffled. I smoked for 35 years, 2 packs a day in the end years. I started vaping minus the analogs in one day. I got out of the hospital and went right to the vaping and really didn't even consider the nicotine. I just bought "average" nicotine. I read where some of the light smokers were needing 24mg nic and some of the heavy (analog) smokers were doing fine on 12 or 6 or even zero. It really baffles me. I used to have to smoke 5 analogs in a row in the morning to feel my nic high.
I am not paying attention to the nicotine at all in my vaping. I'm just paying attention to the flavor mostly. I don't feel the nicotine at all, nor did I ever feel withdrawl from the analogs. I KNOW the analogs had the nic and I sure did love it and feel it. The vapor has me a a total loss. The delivery is, well, like I said, loss for words here. Am I buying junk juice? I also never coughed at all when I quit.
I'm kind of saying, the nicotine is a mystery to me. I suppose if I were making my own juice I would truly know quality and quantity that goes in, and perhaps comes out.
I DO vape near my granddaughters. I do not think I am harming them. I think more importantly, is hiding our juice, in a locked area or the like, because articles I've read are: puppies chewing owners ecigs and dying, and toddlers getting the juice, drinking it, and overdosing because of the nicotine, so clearly its there, and dangerous, but why on earth did I not feel it either way? No withdrawal, and no feeling nic or not when I vape?
Barbara - I know this reads very confusing, but thats because I am, confused.
I am not paying attention to the nicotine at all in my vaping. I'm just paying attention to the flavor mostly. I don't feel the nicotine at all, nor did I ever feel withdrawl from the analogs. I KNOW the analogs had the nic and I sure did love it and feel it. The vapor has me a a total loss. The delivery is, well, like I said, loss for words here. Am I buying junk juice? I also never coughed at all when I quit.
I'm kind of saying, the nicotine is a mystery to me. I suppose if I were making my own juice I would truly know quality and quantity that goes in, and perhaps comes out.
I DO vape near my granddaughters. I do not think I am harming them. I think more importantly, is hiding our juice, in a locked area or the like, because articles I've read are: puppies chewing owners ecigs and dying, and toddlers getting the juice, drinking it, and overdosing because of the nicotine, so clearly its there, and dangerous, but why on earth did I not feel it either way? No withdrawal, and no feeling nic or not when I vape?
Barbara - I know this reads very confusing, but thats because I am, confused.
Vaping in front of kids as opposed to smoking in front of them? Fat people buying their kids McDonald's every night of the week, that's what I call a bad influence.
I am interested in long term data as well.
I will say that vaping has had a very postiive health affect for me. Its night and day difference from how I felt when I was smoking.
I will say that vaping has had a very postiive health affect for me. Its night and day difference from how I felt when I was smoking.
Vaping is a good "hobby" and a healthier "habit"
However, I do not like it when my grand daughters look at me and say "moke" as in "smoke" because its NOT smoke. Their mother is sneaking analogs outside and thats where they learned it.
Also, I do not like the babies staring at me when I do it. Part of me agrees it is a bad influence on them, its pretty obvious when they stare and think it's smoke. To them, its looks exactly the same.
However, I do not like it when my grand daughters look at me and say "moke" as in "smoke" because its NOT smoke. Their mother is sneaking analogs outside and thats where they learned it.
Also, I do not like the babies staring at me when I do it. Part of me agrees it is a bad influence on them, its pretty obvious when they stare and think it's smoke. To them, its looks exactly the same.
No, exercising is a good habit. Vaping will however prolong your life as opposed to smoking cigarettes. Lets say it's a "better" habit.
I just don't think it's necessary to judge others regarding the influence or respect of their own children. Those areas in this instance are both subjective on an individual level.
I don't vape non-stop in my house or in my car, but when I need a vape, I have one. And, if you're worried about trace amounts of nicotine and other carcinogens, you better get rid of most of your vegetables, because guess what? That's right. Trace amounts of naturally occurring nicotine, pesticides, and GMO mutated cellular level stuff I don't even have a name for.
That's open to opinion. I dont know if I would call vaping a bad habit. Especially if it is no nic. I don't think vaping should get the stigma associated with other similar habits that are bad. However I realize that more studies need to be done. Do I want my kids to vape? No, not really. I don't agree with hiding things like this from children. Over sheltering kids is a problem and a whole other discussion.
I don't blow my vapor at them and don't vape when we are in overly confined spaces. Sitting in the living room vaping while watching tv, doesn't seem like an issue to me. I would never tell another parent how to raise their kids, so please don't think I'm criticizing anyone.
Also to be honest I dont have any links to sources regarding this. It's just what I remember reading multiple times in various places. That doesn't make it true though.
I used to smoke. My kids saw that I did. We had a discussion about vaping and they are thrilled that I vape now instead of smoke.
Didn't mean to go off topic. At this point I dont see any harm vaping in my home with the kids there.
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Follow-up: Sorry sneakerpimp. Don't mean to start any negativity with you or any of my vaping peoples! We have to stick together!
of course it's just my opinion. i dont think youre a great example for your own child or grandchild, whether or not its compared it to smoking. i dont vape around any of my nieces/nephews and friends kids bc i dont deem it appropriate.
yea, no worries! we can discuss this. kids is a very touchy subject. i have close to a zero tolerance, i don't want them to want what i'm into... i'll be the first to admit i am the bad influence sometimes.
That's not a useful comparison. First, not eating veggies is obviously worse than eating veggies, whereas it's a major stretch to imagine that vaping is better for you than not vaping (assuming of course you don't smoke instead). Second, there is no real alternative to eating veggies, whereas there is an alternative to exposing children (and others who cannot consent) to your second hand vapor, you just step outside.
I agree that it's not generally cool to be going around judging people, but it's pretty natural to be upset when you see someone doing something that you think could be bad for their children. Like when you see already obese children being handed a gigantic cup of soda, or someone smoking a cig in the car with their kids. I'm willing to bet that 99% of the people here would judge those parents. Most probably wouldn't say anything out loud, but would certainly not be too impressed.
This may help. http://tobaccoanalysis.blogspot.com/2013/12/first-study-to-examine-passive-vaping.html
During passive smoking, levels of chemicals were as follows (all in micrograms per cubic meter):
Nicotine: 34
Acrolein: 20
Polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons: 9.4
Carbon monoxide: 11
Xylene: 0.2
Toluene: 1.7
The detected levels of these same chemicals during the passive vaping session were as follows:
Nicotine:0
Acrolein: 0
Polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons: 0
Carbon monoxide: 0
Xylene: 0
Toluene: 0
Here's a link to the actual study. http://clearstream.flavourart.it/site/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/CSA_ItaEng.pdf
Conclusions
The above experiment, within the limits of the ob-
served parameters, has underlined that e-smoking
does not produce detectable amounts of toxic and car-
cinogenic substances in the air of an enclosed space.
Further studies are needed to better understand all
the involved aspects. However this preliminary as-
sessment indicates that passive vaping impact, when
compared to the traditional cigarette smoking, is
so low that it is just detectable, and it does not
have the toxic and carcinogenic characteristics of
cigarette smoking. The absence of combustion and
the lack of sidestream smoking, with its known toxic
effects [2, 6] are probably the main reasons for the
differences observed in air pollution characteristics
I was primarily trying to point out that they naturally contain nicotine. Eggplant, tomatoes, broccoli are the ones I know of off the top of my head. I just want someone to tell me what is so bad about nicotine in general. Especially in trace amounts. I don't see that its any more harmful or addictive than caffeine, and it has some remarkable positives in certain cases.
To your point, yes I probably do judge people smoking in their cars with their kids, but I used to be that person, so I can't judge too harshly. People are very quick to release condemnation on people when they were no different and I suppose that's just human nature. By that rationale, vaping is very much more respectful to do in front of your children, and I wouldn't judge someone doing that at all. We all have some fault if we look hard enough. Its just easier to see it in other people I suppose. We (me and my wife) are too lenient on our kids, and let them spend too much time on their X-box.
People reading my posts from yesterday probably said "Wow that guys a class A bunghole. Thanks Obama." And, yesterday they would have been correct. Except that I'm not Barack.
Was in a major funk for some reason. Anyway, I enjoy a good debate on a topic, just didn't mean it to go in a negative direction.
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