Hmmmm .. Maybe not so safe?

[kahzmoe]

Medicine: Air Germicide - TIME

Check this out

 

[Traver]

I don't know if vaping is going to be safe in the longer term. There is a very good chance that it will be safer than tobacco.

There is another side to this. I know that I don't get sick as often or for as long as I used to. There is also an experiment that was done in a children's hospital with the same results. So there is also a chance that vaping will turn out to be good for us.

 

[Sally_]

WoW, Needed some more Anyone need a refill?

Vape On
Burnie

I'm good, switching it up with some kettle corn. Last time I skipped popcorn for a show like this, it was permanently taken off the air and there's no reruns around here

 

[Dnkeyhnter]

interesting thread....

 

[sneakerpimp]

WoW, Needed some more Anyone need a refill?

Vape On
Burnie

running low since this thread keeping going and going and going... off to costco... brb...

 

[dilznic]

I only have one question for you: Do you vape? And, if you do, why? Check out Dr.Konstantino Farsalinos, Drexel/Burstyn studies, CASAA website. Research is your friend...

Yes I vape. I vape because I was smoking for almost 18 years, l knew it was killing me and failed at quitting too many times. I've had a total of 2 drags off 1 cig since I started vaping, just to see what it tasted like (not very good lol). I have no desire to go back.

I'm aware that the effects of vaping are being studied and that the results so far are promising, but the amount of data on the effects of vaping pales in comparison to the amount of data on the effects of smoking. Vaping is a relatively young habit so it's essentially impossible to truly know the long term effects.

Intuitively, I feel that vaping is healthier than smoking. But intuition is not a good replacement for science.

But I still stand by my point that there is an enormous amount of BS being spewed by the pro vaping side. Even comments like, well PG is in asthma inhalers so it must be safe. Wrong. All it means is that the research showed it was safe enough to be worth inhaling IF YOU ARE HAVING AN ASTHMA ATTACK. An extreme example - chemotherapy drugs are not even close to being safe - they'll easily kill if the doses aren't just right, yet they're used as a treatment for a terrible disease. Doesn't make them automatically more or less safe than X (insert whatever you want there).
I feel that the torrent of this kind of BS dilutes the actually good points made about why vaping is safer.

 

[beebz]

These things "may" or "may not" be in my water. Some like it hot, that is steam, or is it vapor? I can't hold my breath for as long as it takes me to shower. Should I not shower? I'm "vaping" my shower. Actually I like vaping my daily showers because it makes me clear my chest and moistens my nasal passages in the dry winter months.
So it is possible that I am vaping caffine? and tranquilizers? at the same time? So that explains why I don't know whether I'm coming or going lately. *eg*
I'm wrong for doing this, aren't I? Don't answer that. I couldn't help myself, I was laughing too hard at the popcorn eaters hahaha.
Anyhoodle, I vaped my ecig today; menthol, cinnabun, and a plethora of steamed chemicals to boot.

* Acne Medicine
* Aluminum
* Ammonia
* Animal Fecal Matter
* Antibiotics
* Antidepressant Medicine
* Arsenic
* Arthritis Medicine
* Asbestos
* Asthma Medication
* Banned Pesticide DDT
* Benzene
* Beryllium
* Birth Control Medicine
* Bleach
* Boron
* Brominated Acetic Acids
* Cadmium
* Caffeine
* Cattle Weight Gaining Drugs
* Chlorine
* Cholesterol Medication
* Coal
* Copper
* Contraceptive Drugs
* Cough Medicine
* Cyanide
* Cysts
* Di(2-ethylhexyl)adipate
* ........ Medicine
* Dioxin (2,3,7,8-TCDD)
* Dirt
* Ear Infection Medicine
* E-Coli
* Estrogen
* Fever Reducing Drugs
* Flame ......ants
* Fouride
* Foaming Agents
* Formaldehyde
* Gasoline
* Green Algae
* Gross Alpha & Beta
* Head Ache Medicine
* Hexachlorocyclopentadiene
* Itch Relief Medicine
* Landfill Runoff
* Laundry Detergent
* Lead
* Lithium
* Menstrual Cramps Medicine
* Mercury
* Methoxychlor
* Methyl Tertiary-Butyl Ether
* Mold Spores
* Nickel
* Nicotine
* Nitrosodimethylamine
* Nitrates & Nitrates
* Oil & Grease
* STD Treatment Drugs
* Steroids
* Termite Poison
* Testosterone
* Thallium
* THM's
* Thyroid Medication
* Tin
* Titanium
* Toxaphene
* Tranquilizers
* Trichloroethylene
* Trifluralin
* Uranium
* Urinary Infection Medicine
* Veterinarian Medications
* ......
* Vinyl Chloride
* Weed Killer
* Weight Loss Medication
* Pain Killers
* PCB's
* Penicillin
* Pentachlorophenol
* Pesticides
* Petroleum
* Plastic Residue
* Platinum
* Pneumonia Medication
* Potassium
* Printing Ink
* Prozac
* Rust
* Selenium
* Sewage Waste
* Schizophrenia Medicine
* Seizure Medicine
* Silicon
* Silver
* Sleeping Pills

 

[Euberto]

I have a 2 1/2 yr old daughter and another child otw which is a big part of the reason I quit smoking and decided to try vaping
I too thought at first that vaping was safe
Its what I kept hearing then I started vaping
And started hearing how its bad worried me

However the more I get into vaping the more
I learn that while nothing is 100% safe to introduce to our bodies in this manner
It is safer than cigarettes and I spent 20 yrs smoking
I know I have more energy
I can breathe easier
I know I haven't had the smoker's headache
I know I can go longer inbetween hits if I want without the panic
I know my house smells better my food tastes better
Basically everything so far about vaping has been more pleasurable and fulfilling than cigarettes
So everything has been positive my way


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[dilznic]

Since you have kids, I really hope you're not vaping in the house!!

 

[Robino1]

I have grandkids and get them for two weeks every summer. I vape in the house with them in there. My son is a nurse and daughter-in-law is a nurse practitioner. They have two kids ages 3 and 8 mo's. I vape around them. My son, who quit smoking with the patch, borrows my spare PV when I visit. They live in MI, I live in FL. When I visit, I stay at their house in the spare bedroom.

If I felt for one second that I was potentially harming those kids, I would not vape around them. I did not smoke inside their house...ever.

We all have to decide, for ourselves, what our comfort level of safety is on this issue. Who are we to judge and tell another what they should or should not do? Isn't that what we are fighting with legislation? Fighting those who deem themselves our keeper?

Just my personal

, since two cents means nothing anymore.

 

[FlamingoTutu]

Robino1, had to look at that for a long time before I figured out what it was. Thought it was fried eggs at first. Congratulations on becoming a moderator! Not sure why you’re doing that to yourself but congratulations.

 

[Robino1]

Robino1, had to look at that for a long time before I figured out what it was. Thought it was fried eggs at first. Congratulations on becoming a moderator! Not sure why you’re doing that to yourself but congratulations.

Thanks
I'm being a moderator because I love ECF and I love you guys! Just doing my bit to keep it the class act that it is

 

[realsis]

I had been a smoker for years. I gave cigarettes up on Nov 28, 2012, the day my E-Cig starter kit arrived in the mail. I love to Vape... I especially enjoy being able to vape at work. Back when I started, there was a common belief that vaping was safe, at least that was what I had heard and read. Is it? I can't imagine that inhaling vaporized propylene glycol or vegetable glycerin is good for my lungs... Don't get me wrong, I am vaping with the understanding that the behavior can or could be VERY hazardous to my health. Ultimately, there simply is no research as of yet to determine the impact of vaping on health. Let's not continue to fool ourselves.

Look at the number of chemicals in cigarette smoke, I mean really LOOK read each one. Then look at the ingredients in vaping. Compare the two. Which would you rather put in your body? I smoked a pack a day for 25 years and now that I'm vaping I'm no longer smoking. In the short time I've been off analog cigarettes I can now breathe better, my since of smell is coming back, I don't get short of breath, and I don't hear a wheeze when I breathe. That can't be a bad thing. It's much safer than smoking. That is for sure. I can say this, vaping has been a God send for me. I no longer need to smoke a cigarette, and that in itself is a miracle! Vaping is far cleaner. I won't say it's bad because if it helps me kick a 25 year old addiction I think that it's pretty GREAT!

 

[dilznic]

I have grandkids and get them for two weeks every summer. I vape in the house with them in there. My son is a nurse and daughter-in-law is a nurse practitioner. They have two kids ages 3 and 8 mo's. I vape around them. My son, who quit smoking with the patch, borrows my spare PV when I visit. They live in MI, I live in FL. When I visit, I stay at their house in the spare bedroom.

If I felt for one second that I was potentially harming those kids, I would not vape around them. I did not smoke inside their house...ever.

We all have to decide, for ourselves, what our comfort level of safety is on this issue. Who are we to judge and tell another what they should or should not do? Isn't that what we are fighting with legislation? Fighting those who deem themselves our keeper?

Just my personal

, since two cents means nothing anymore.

I'm not generally the judge-y type, but I simply can't understand why one would expose children to even just nicotine, particularly as ex-smokers who presumably have struggled to quit for years (let's assume the rest of the stuff in the vaporized juice, including the unknown flavor ingredients are 100% certain to be not be harmful).
I know that the jury is out on whether nicotine alone is harmful (and may in fact have benefits in moderation), but it seems at least plausible to me that exposing someone to nicotine would increase the odds of them developing a dependency.
Given that all it takes to avoid exposing your children is to step outside, I just don't understand why one wouldn't make the small effort to do so.

 

[dilznic]

Look at the number of chemicals in cigarette smoke, I mean really LOOK read each one. Then look at the ingredients in vaping. Compare the two. Which would you rather put in your body? I smoked a pack a day for 25 years and now that I'm vaping I'm no longer smoking. In the short time I've been off analog cigarettes I can now breathe better, my since of smell is coming back, I don't get short of breath, and I don't hear a wheeze when I breathe. That can't be a bad thing. It's much safer than smoking. That is for sure. I can say this, vaping has been a God send for me. I no longer need to smoke a cigarette, and that in itself is a miracle! Vaping is far cleaner. I won't say it's bad because if it helps me kick a 25 year old addiction I think that it's pretty GREAT!

It's pretty rare that you can actually get a list of the ingredients in e-liquid. PG, VG, flavor. That last one is code for "whatever the hell we feel like putting in there". If cigarettes ingredients were as vaguely reported as e-liquid ingredients, they would read: tobacco. Doesn't sound so bad (tobacco), when in reality it is of course.

 

[sneakerpimp]

I'm not generally the judge-y type, but I simply can't understand why one would expose children to even just nicotine, particularly as ex-smokers who presumably have struggled to quit for years (let's assume the rest of the stuff in the vaporized juice, including the unknown flavor ingredients are 100% certain to be not be harmful).
I know that the jury is out on whether nicotine alone is harmful (and may in fact have benefits in moderation), but it seems at least plausible to me that exposing someone to nicotine would increase the odds of them developing a dependency.
Given that all it takes to avoid exposing your children is to step outside, I just don't understand why one wouldn't make the small effort to do so.

amen.. and i'm glad someone else said it.

 

[neutrontech]

I'm not generally the judge-y type, but I simply can't understand why one would expose children to even just nicotine, particularly as ex-smokers who presumably have struggled to quit for years (let's assume the rest of the stuff in the vaporized juice, including the unknown flavor ingredients are 100% certain to be not be harmful).
I know that the jury is out on whether nicotine alone is harmful (and may in fact have benefits in moderation), but it seems at least plausible to me that exposing someone to nicotine would increase the odds of them developing a dependency.
Given that all it takes to avoid exposing your children is to step outside, I just don't understand why one wouldn't make the small effort to do so.

How is vaping indoors exposing them to nicotine? Everything I've read suggests there is virtually no measurable amount in exhaled vapor.

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[GaelicGrime]

Interesting read, I'll add this...the only thing negative I've ever heard is the possibility of being allergic to something in the e-liquid.

Having some of those allergy problems (citrus) I will sadly vote -1 there

That being said I had much more trouble breathing with many of the cigarillos I smoked, and most of the cigarettes my wife smoked. Even without citrus they gave me more grief than all but one of the citrus or citrus component flavors has done.

The one full citrus flavor was a problem, probably a good idea for people with known allergies to avoid those allergies like they normally would, even though my experience is that generally I have less trouble, where allergies are concerned any trouble could be that one too many :/

 

[Outre]

I had been a smoker for years. I gave cigarettes up on Nov 28, 2012, the day my E-Cig starter kit arrived in the mail. I love to Vape... I especially enjoy being able to vape at work. Back when I started, there was a common belief that vaping was safe, at least that was what I had heard and read. Is it? I can't imagine that inhaling vaporized propylene glycol or vegetable glycerin is good for my lungs... Don't get me wrong, I am vaping with the understanding that the behavior can or could be VERY hazardous to my health. Ultimately, there simply is no research as of yet to determine the impact of vaping on health. Let's not continue to fool ourselves.

There has seemingly been an increase in "alarmist" style "articles on various outlets - such as Yahoo! (where I have a paid email account)

These are usually pulled into the outlet from elsewhere and are usually based on scanty to no evidence - only conjecture (guesses). However, they never say they are guessing, and they seem to be quoting statistics, but, if you read them closely and not just scan them you can see there is nothing in the "article", or linked at the end of the "article" that proves any of their guessing.

Many of these can also be seen to be in Op-Ed, or, Opposite the Editorial sections.

For more information please see;

Editorial | Define Editorial at Dictionary.com

and

Op-ed - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Since these BOTH are opinions more than anything else, then anything written in that style is suspect. Op-Eds, by nature, give extreme permission to stretch the truth and/or represent other/another person(s) not identified.

When an article is written as news the publication is responsible for, and can be held accountable for, facts contained within the news article.

Op-Eds allow, imho, deviant use of news outlets and are often used as social engineering also know as indoctrination or brainwashing.

social engineer - definition of social engineer by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.
brainwash - definition of brainwash by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.

Developing some skill in critical thinking is necessary to allow one to tell when the wool is being pulled over their eyes.

You've gotten much good response here. There are many linked references and articles on this forum. Putting an hour or two into in-depth reading might go far to alleviating your concerns.

Have a good day.

 

[Cam93]

I would frequently get random chest pains and shortness of breath when I was a smoker. Now a vaper for a little over 2 weeks I must say I can already notice an improvement in my lung capacity. No more chest pains either. Every cigarette you don't smoke is doing your body good