Honey flue cure??

[MaxUT]

I've been busy mixing up various base liquids:

15mL FA Burley, 7%, 50/50
30mL FA Camtel, 7%, 50/50
60mL FA Virginia, 7%, 50/50
120mL FA 7 Leaves, 12%, 70/30

Might as make up some Maxboro base too.

I'm off to order some FA Honey from ecigexpress, the old bottle is just about dry.

 

[DM]

Max....... Which one of those do you prefer the most?
That doesn't have that tobacco absolute nastiness.
I have only used tobacco absolute and TFA Tobacco which turns out to be the same
except diluted down with alcohol and a sweetener

 

[brokenbrains]

Max....... Which one of those do you prefer the most?
That doesn't have that tobacco absolute nastiness.
I have only used tobacco absolute and TFA Tobacco which turns out to be the same
except diluted down with alcohol and a sweetener

Ohh.... That's TPA(TFA) Tobacco Blend (Alc). You mentioned that in an earlier post, and I thought you were referring to TPA Tobacco Flavor, which smells an awful lot like baby powder - so much so that I haven't yet dared try to vape the stuff.



As an aside:
Types of Tobacco
Might help if anyone is still wondering what 'Flue Cured' is really supposed to be.

 

[DM]

Thanks "brokenbrains". I'll spell it out... TFA=Product Description.....find it at one stop DIY shop.....
The Flavor Apprentice is a division of The Perfumers Apprentice. These flavors are concentrated professional grade food flavorings.....just to clear that up so everyone knows what I'm referring to. And yes it is nasty if to much is used.
Thanks for the for the "Types of Tobacco" its good general information that everyone should take a look at.
"brokenbrains", If I could order up some flu cured leaves from Virginia and vape it I would. Hehe..... Could you share a DIY recipe that would resemble a honey flu cure?

 

[brokenbrains]

... "brokenbrains", If I could order up some flu cured leaves from Virginia and vape it I would. Hehe..... Could you share a DIY recipe that would resemble a honey flu cure?

Something that resembles (to me) the smell of a honey-flavoured flue-cured leaf, I can do. Will need a few days. The ashy/smokey stuff I don't care for, though.

I should probably point out that I've been doing the DIY thing almost exclusively for something like 9 months. Back when I smoked, I also did the DIY thing, but that's another story. Anyhow, whether or not it tastes anything like vendor x's juice, I probably have no idea, and probably don't really care.

Also, it'll be PA Tobacco Blend (PG) based (*ducks*) because that's what works for me for this sort of thing. It's probably somewhat different from the Alcohol variant, but I don't know. Never tried the Alc variant, but it can't be as bad as the baby powder Tobacco.

 

[MaxUT]

Max....... Which one of those do you prefer the most?

DM, I seem to use more Virginia than anything else. It's nice and smooth, makes a good tobacco background in juices with upfront flavorings. It's my first choice as a base for FC but I think the usual 7% concentration needs to be cut back a little.

The trouble with these tobacco flavorings is, they need to mellow for quite a while in order to taste their best.

Last night I made FC test batch #3 and also 4ml of HFC using LiquidXpress flavoring. I used the Perfumer's Apprentice (AKA TFA) 4mL glass bottles and capped them tightly, then dropped the bottles into a 1-quart thermos full of hot water. I covered the thermos with a down comforter for insulation and left it until 6:00 this morning. Seems to have helped to speed things along. After tasting the HFC I was reminded of its characteristics: light tobacco, smooth honey. Seems simple, right?

I've been complicating things by trying to make the juice taste more like BEC Flue Cured (smokiness, spice, etc). Looks like the key is to use a similar tobacco flavor at a mild strength and concentrate on getting just the right tones in the honey part.

 

[DM]

"MaxUT" wow! And good work. Tuesday I'll be ordering everything FA and PA tobacco, woods and spice!!! I have close to 200mils of juice to toss, some I'll let sit for a while. I must take a break About three weeks ago I tried making a fruity/berry type tobacco using TA- Tobacco Absolute. Thought it tasted horribly and I had recently tried it and it really did mellow out. I believe I still used a drop or two to much cause the hint of burning grass is still there. I had just added a drop of hickory smoke to it and that had taken the "grass" away for sure but now it tast like bacon well...,..I'm writing the recipes down. Thanks MaxUT. "brokenbrains" let us know how your mix goes. Thanks,

 

[bassthumper]

I use more Virginia than anything else too, but it's too sweet. MaxUT you're making great progress- I just don't have as many flavorings as you guys have. I'm hoping our heads combined can come up with something...
If I could only figure out the tobacco base that is needed to mimic the "flue cured tobacco" I'm sure the honey would be easy enough... FA honey seems to be close enough to me.
Also, brokenbrains- Thanks for the tobacco link- however more often than not, the actual FLAVORINGS we use aren't anything LIKE what the REAL tobacco is! lol
I guess what I'm shooting for is a replica of LIQUIDXPRESS'S HCF is! If I were trying to mimic a REAL HONEY PIPE TOBACCO I would totally go for some Nicotania Rustica Absolute or some sort of extract probably....
I guess I was just let down when my plans to make bulk liquid with LXP's (diluted) flavorings were smashed
I was planning on making gallons but then I heard the bad news.
We'll figure it out- or atleast make plenty of tasty recipes until then! ha

 

[MaxUT]

bassthumper-- about the Virginia being sweet--don't you think HFC is sweet?

I'm thinking of combining PA Honeysuckle with the FA Honey. To me, the HFC has a light honey flavor, lighter than the clover honey taste I get from the FA. I think the Honeysuckle would be good to try.

Unfortunately I don't have any PA Honeysuckle at the moment but I do have GetSuckered Honeysuckle, which has strong floral aroma if you use very much. I'll should receive my FA Honey on Wednesday or Thursday and then I'll mix up a batch.

 

[DM]

'bassthumper' I also agree that the virginia is a little sweet. I thought of blending it with PA Perique Black. I'm vaping the last couple of drops I have of the HFC and the HFC has more of a heavy robust pipe smoke flavor to it with a hint of honey to it. The Perique Black has that heavier pipe smoke and hit to it like the HFC imo.....so I thought blending the to might help..

I mix both pg and vg at diff rates.. I also mix vg with distilled water, add flavor then vape.
Im sure that you both, 'MaxUT & bassthumper' might have noticed that when you get about half way or so down the bottle of the HFC there is water/condensation build up in the bottle and the dropper witch leads me to believe that there is distilled water in the blend??? I also use alcohol in some of my mixes where the throat hit in the end reminds me of the HFC.
JUST A THOUGHT....... I'll begin mixing at the end of the week and give my results.

 

[MaxUT]

DM, you might have something there with the Perique Black. I've been vaping a bottle of PB that I made about a month ago (7% flavoring) and the aftertaste of the Perique reminded me of the tobacco part of HFC. I'm down to the last 2mL and have decided to save it for blending.

And: good observation on the condensation in the bottle. Now that you mention it, I've never noticed droplets inside bottles of juice. Can you take a q-tip and get some those drops to sniff them? See if there's any alcohol or only water?

I'm going to have to break down and buy a fresh bottle of Flue Cured for comparison testing. Oh, Rob is going to be so happy...

Okay, gotta go order PA stuff and more bottles.

 

[mindtwist69]

no alcohol, we don't cut our liquids. Again, no FA or lorann's or any flavors of those kinds premixed for cooking are used. we don't hand mix, people just never believe me

 

[DM]

MaxUT............yes. A tobacco/watery flavor for sure.Possibly alcohol/vodka as well. I just made a big order so the end of this week should be messy ha!
I figured that the HFC was vg/water cause even on the site it says VG honey flu cure nothing of PG mentioned I also make vg/water base here and it has the same density/thickness also leaving behind the water/condensation in the bottle and dropper.

 

[DM]

mindtwist69........I do believe you have to cut the VG with somthing. Maybe not alcohol but water for sure. The bottle says VG not Vg/Pg..... right?

 

[brokenbrains]

Also, brokenbrains- Thanks for the tobacco link- however more often than not, the actual FLAVORINGS we use aren't anything LIKE what the REAL tobacco is! lol
I guess what I'm shooting for is a replica of LIQUIDXPRESS'S HCF is! If I were trying to mimic a REAL HONEY PIPE TOBACCO I would totally go for some Nicotania Rustica Absolute or some sort of extract probably....

Exactly!

I can only tell you what a 'honey flue cured' is supposed to taste/smell like, and how to get there. What your favorite vendor calls 'honey flue cured' may be (and probably is) something else entirely. I mean, I would hope there's some similarity there, but...

Anyways, me I'm just here stalking this thread mostly because I find the endeavor interesting. If any information I've got might be useful, you're welcome to it.

 

[mindtwist69]

DM, we don't "cut" the liquid (when you say cut, it brings to mind me buying it, and bringing in water or something else to mix in it to thin it out). Which we DON'T do, the liquid is all produced at the lab, the use a very set amount of sterlized/purified water to thin out the VG prior to the the flavoring process, but it doesn't "cut" anything other than the viscosity slightly to help with people being able to use it in different devices.

 

[DM]

Mindtwist69....I do not wish to argue with you. In your post#52, you had used the word "cut" that's right... that's why I had said that. In fact, prior to your post the word "cut" wasn't even used in this thread!! I also understand that your "lab" dosent use 'diy' materials that we do. WE ARE ONLY TRYING TO MIMIC that flavor we enjoy so much with materials that are available to us. And that is exactly why I started this thread in the DIY / DO IT YOUR SELF section. Ha! "Cut" just sounds so cheep.

 

[mindtwist69]

I know cut does sound cheap, I'm not trying to argue semantics, just trying to help with the parts of the liquid creation that doesn't involve the flavoring, It's VG and a very small amount of sterilized/purified water to thin out the thickness of VG before the addition of the nicotine and flavoring.

 

[MaxUT]

You "modify the liquid's viscosity."

I pre-thin VG to a mixture of 80% VG / 20% distilled water. which (at room temp) is close to the viscosity of PG. I frequently also add alcohol to a VG-base liquid to help it perform in cartos.

I'm waiting for a juice vendor to offer two versions of the most popular stuff: one that's thick, for dripping, and one that's thin, for cartos.

 

[DM]

You "modify the liquid's viscosity."

I pre-thin VG to a mixture of 80% VG / 20% distilled water. which (at room temp) is close to the viscosity of PG. I frequently also add alcohol to a VG-base liquid to help it perform in cartos.

I'm waiting for a juice vendor to offer two versions of the most popular stuff: one that's thick, for dripping, and one that's thin, for cartos.

could Max be the next vender????? hahahaha!