Honolulu passes Bill making it illegal on Oahu to smoke OR Vape in vehicles w/children are inside.

[Ipster]

Last week- (Oct 14, 2017)
HONOLULU (AP) — The Honolulu City Council unanimously passed a bill making it illegal on Oahu to smoke in vehicles while children are inside.

The bill was approved Wednesday and Mayor Kirk Caldwell said he plans to sign it into law.

Those in opposition say the bill intrudes on people’s private lives, while backers say those younger than 18 years old have no choice but to stay in a vehicle if an adult is smoking.

The bill applies to electronic smoking devices as well as tobacco cigarettes.

Smoking with a minor in a vehicle has been outlawed on Hawaii Island since 2010. On Kauai, smoking with anyone younger than 13 years old was outlawed in July 2016. Nine other states or territories throughout the U.S. also have similar restrictions.

Honolulu's Mayor wasted no time, signing this into law in less than a week. It went into effect Oct 20, 2017. It's long been the tired out argument, "Its for the sake of our keiki!" (keiki's the hawaiian word for child)..in a state which still has a Senator in D.C. convinced "second hand smoke from electronic cigarettes hasnt been proven safe". (eMail reply to me from Senator Brian Schatz 2016).

I hope Im not the only one that gets more than a wee bit miffed when others are telling me what I can and cant do in my own home, car, space. Much of Hawaii has "smoke free" Condominiums (imho: a law waiting to be challenged by homeowners).

 

[Hitcat44]

Another sickening yet all too unfortunately typical example of a pernicious Grub-Mint (or Entity thereof) widely overstepping both its Bounds & lawfully defined Mandate committing Elitist Genocide against the Rights of one Group in the name of the Rights of another. When in all actuality, at its core nothing more than a insidious jack-booted Power (or Money)-Grab.
Never does truly accomplish the supposed Mission or the falsely advertised Solution but,,,
sure does make the self-entitled, self-righteous, and self-aggrandizing "feel" better and feeds their warped Egos & Perceptions.
Incrementalist Usurpation at its finest.... Karl & Nikita would be SOOOO Proud

An interesting aside, isn't both odd & abjectly hypocritical that the majority of these Crusades of legislated "Morality" & "Legislative Righteousness" are quite often the main Tactic & Strategy practiced and inflicted by the same "Open-Minded" Group(s) who viscerally attack anyone or anything that conflicts with or crosses their lines of Church/State Separation.

Ol' Yakov Smirnov (sp?) said it best; "What a Country!"

 

[zoiDman]

Does "In the Trunk" qualify as inside ?

 

[choochoogranny]

Here's a radical idea. I think the more places that allowed vaping, the less colds and other illnesses would get passed around. Since I have been vaping for the past 6 years, not only do I get less colds, but so does my family! I believe that the PG in the air and on surfaces is killing germs. I wish someone would do a study on my theory! Imagine how much cleaner airplanes and cars could be if vaping were encouraged.

Thought you might like to read this recent article about a 1942 study. Am thinking there was another study done in the late 1930's but then WWII happened. 1942 Study: Health Benefits of Inhaled Propylene Glycol

 

[marianna]

"The bill applies to electronic smoking devices as well as tobacco cigarettes."

Don't know about other members, but I don't have smoking devices

 

[sofarsogood]

I'm old enough to remember when there were very few restrictions on smoking and thinking back I'm amazed at how tolerant non smokers were. What I also know is the increasing restrictions had no beneficial effect on my very gradual increase in daily cigs over the years. I almost always found a way to smoke my daily quota. I'm sure this is true of most smokers and I'm sure the corrupt politicians making these laws know it too. These restrictions will discourage vaping but won't hurt tobacco sales or consumption of cigarettes. Follow the money.

 

[AlphaGuitarist]

You guys think you got it bad In my state of Tasmania Australia, we as of the 29th of November will be only allowed to vape in the same area as smokers and breath their smoke. We have all been labelled as smokers. Like it or lump it. Have a read of this: http://www.dhhs.tas.gov.au/__data/a.../New_laws_e-cigarettes_summary_factsheet2.pdf

I live in NYC, where government overreach is as common as pizza, and we've had a similar law on the books for a few years. What's worse, smoking (and vaping) is banned in all public parks, beaches, and outdoor college campuses. Of course, a lot of people still do it (myself included), but every now and again, a smug non-smoker/non-vaper will say something like "there's no smoking in the park", in response to which I lift up my mod and say "oh, I'm not smoking".

 

[Rossum]

Kids probably won't like this law at all when the weather is bad.

 

[stols001]

I believe this law was being briefly tossed around in Maryland before I left. I think they ended up not passing it, at least at that time.

IDK what's worse... second hand smoke/vape in a vehicle for kids (the vape is obviously fine) or distracted, ...... off drivers trying to get their kid to sleep while driving and desperately wanting a cigarette. I genuinely don't.

LOL, reminds me of my first biggish accident, I was on my way to renew my passport and I got rear-ended by a diplomat. I fully expected the dude to drive off (diplomatic immunity). He didn't, but I did bounce off the front windshield and was pretty bloody. The dude did not inquire as to my welfare, he just said, "OMG, do you have a cigarette? I JUST quit smoking." LOL, I did have one, but I was a bit like, "Duuuuddddde, you aren't even going to ask if I'm okay first?" With that said, as a smoker, I totally understood. We exchanged info, and I proceeded to my passport interview (they did give it to me, but you have to understand we are talking AUSTRALIAN passport, Aussies take these things in stride.)

My dad was kinda ...... off and kept muttering about how it would be an insurance claim on HIM, (LOL, again, Australians, he wasn't too worried about my personal safety OR my complaint that there wasn't much I could DO, I was REAR ended) but the Diplomat did pay up in the end, so good for him, and I'm glad I gave him a cigarette, it was clear he really needed one.

Anna

 

[stols001]

I gotta say, I'm glad I quit smoking for the pregnancy, the labor, and the breastfeeding and all, but there were times (well, most of the time) when I really thought about people I knew who got to smoke during labor because, well, I was Very Very Jealous...

I remember smoking restaurants. I remember indoor smoking, and then I remember how smokers were slowly and steadily edged out. I don't think these laws hurt smoking any, I don't meet THAT many smokers who appeared to be discouraged by some of the restrictions at all. I know I wasn't.

I've smoked on a plane (drunk) and it was FANTASTIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Not gonna lie, it was the best. But, watching the non-smokers take over did Nothing other than annoy me and make me feel like a second class citizen which really only made me want to smoke MORE. The non-smokers win, and the tobacco companies win, but there is NO win for the smoker, at all.

I think my least favorite time "smoking" was at an amusement park with my kid. The place was huge and they had two tiny corrals of really annoyed smokers all crammed in together....

Anna

 

[Jingles]

Here's a radical idea. I think the more places that allowed vaping, the less colds and other illnesses would get passed around. Since I have been vaping for the past 6 years, not only do I get less colds, but so does my family! I believe that the PG in the air and on surfaces is killing germs. I wish someone would do a study on my theory! Imagine how much cleaner airplanes and cars could be if vaping were encouraged.

 

[stols001]

I agree to an extent. I don't think smoking on airplanes was really a good idea (or healthy) even as I was doing it.

I will say the "separate but equal" solution wasn't bad, though, there was a time where restaurants could have separate smoking sections if they were enclosed, and had a completely separate ventilation system. I see absolutely nothing wrong with that. Enclosed smoker areas in airports had to employ the same practice... But, even that was enough to fire up the non-smokers.

I will also add (and I'm not trying to be mean) YOU got to choose your friends, YOU got to decide if they smoked in your home and certainly YOU were the one who picked up cigarettes regardless. I've known plenty of folks who've made their home a smoke free zone and I respected it (and was not a bad friend about it, either, going outside isn't hard. If you'd gone WITH them, you wouldn't have had to deal with smoke in the house, etc.

I'm sorry, but people who say they started smoking because of second hand smoke when the claimant openly states that they allowed people to smoke around them because they were to craven to set a boundary, well, take some personal responsibility.

NO one forced me to start smoking. Not the tobacco companies, my friend taught me to inhale but I certainly LET her, and etc. etc.

No offense, but that's something I feel pretty strongly about. I also feel it allowed me to switch to vaping more easily, in the sense of taking personal responsibility for my actions.

Anna

 

[Acer50]

You guys think you got it bad In my state of Tasmania Australia, we as of the 29th of November will be only allowed to vape in the same area as smokers and breath their smoke. We have all been labelled as smokers. Like it or lump it. Have a read of this: http://www.dhhs.tas.gov.au/__data/a.../New_laws_e-cigarettes_summary_factsheet2.pdf

 

[Acer50]

Thought you might like to read this recent article about a 1942 study. Am thinking there was another study done in the late 1930's but then WWII happened. 1942 Study: Health Benefits of Inhaled Propylene Glycol

Interesting and informative. I have a acquaintance who has a very high Glycol intolerance and when she went to vape 50PG/50VG developed mouth ulcers. However when she switched to pure VG all was good.

 

[90VG]

The next thing they will be saying no passing wind on the beach.

Oh man, I'd never be allowed on a beach again, or anywhere. Smoking = Vaping = Farting.

 

[Acer50]

They always pass laws and then never enforce them anyway.

The hilarious part in our state is that our Dept of Health are now saying that the so called "amendments" were published as guide lines only and not being enforced. This is Bull......t In the northern part of our state where we have a gung ho type sheriff enforcer, he went around to all the vape shops and there are 4 of them and ordered them to take down all advertising and also delete images of vapes from their websites as according to that fool, websites are a public place, and if they did not they would not get their licence to operate a B&M store. Whereas in the southern part of our state nothing has happened. The one B&M store still has all his products on his website and is trading happily, go figure. The B&M shops in the northern part of the state are in fear that if they do not comply to the guide lines their licence will not be renewed the following year.

It remains to be seen what eventuates. As to vaping outdoors, no one seems to care where we vape and its vaping as normal.

 

[90VG]

Smoking and drinking on a place is (was) fun. I had a flight from LAX to Shanghai, with stops in Seattle and Bejing. Once we took off from Seattle, smoke time. The flight was pretty empty, maybe 40 people on a 747, but it was fully loaded with alcohol and cigs. I must have drunk 20 beers on that flight and I'm glad they sold cigs, because I quickly ran out. The good ole days. I had a friend that worked for the airline, so drinks were free.

(This was 1996)

You could even smoke in elevators, literally smoke anywhere.

But it would be nice if the gov recognized the difference between vaping and smoking. I'm a typical non-smoker now, I hate the smell of it, unless it's a freshly lit cig, then I don't mind the smoke off the tip. But standing around in the smokers section, coming home smelling like crap, ugh.

 

[Beamslider]

Here's a radical idea. I think the more places that allowed vaping, the less colds and other illnesses would get passed around. Since I have been vaping for the past 6 years, not only do I get less colds, but so does my family! I believe that the PG in the air and on surfaces is killing germs. I wish someone would do a study on my theory! Imagine how much cleaner airplanes and cars could be if vaping were encouraged.

Personally, I don't think it is all that radical. Back when I was smoking I used to get a cold every 3 months or so. I haven't had one since then. Whatever the reason, I'm good with it. I did and still do wash hands frequently to help prevent colds but never seemed to work back when I was smoking.

Who knows might not be the PG but might be that your fingers come in contact with lips and filter when smoking but don't with vaping.

 

[Beamslider]

I'm old enough to remember when there were very few restrictions on smoking and thinking back I'm amazed at how tolerant non smokers were. What I also know is the increasing restrictions had no beneficial effect on my very gradual increase in daily cigs over the years. I almost always found a way to smoke my daily quota. I'm sure this is true of most smokers and I'm sure the corrupt politicians making these laws know it too. These restrictions will discourage vaping but won't hurt tobacco sales or consumption of cigarettes. Follow the money.

LOL I'm old enough to remember when the only restrictions were basically not around flammable material.

I remember visiting people in the hospital when smoking was only restricted if there was oxygen involved in there care.

 

[Acer50]

Same in California....the law says vaping and smoking are the same.

I am truly amused at our legislation when it says, you cannot vape in open air on the beaches between the flags where there are swimmer.

Now I can understand if you are a smoker and lets face it smokers throw their cigarette butts on the sand and it gets washed into the sea etc., but I have yet to see a vaper that stubbs out his vape in the sand or throws his mod into the surf. The next thing they will be saying no passing wind on the beach.