My usual build on most of my rdas is 6 wraps of 22G kanthal dual coil 3mm inside diameter at .21 ohms at 65W. I just bought the AL85 and without a thought put my rda with this build on the device. After 7 puffs the PCB temperature went from 23 up to 50 Celsius. The mod got hotter and hotter the more I would vape at 65W, to the point where I just said damn it seems like I'm gonna have to pull out the 24G Kanthal now instead and did that, making the same build just with the 24G at .31 ohms. With this build the mod does change in temperature but I'm on 45W being that the build doesn't need higher wattage technically. But I am very disappointed that this mod in particular doesn't go well with a hot build, or so it seems. Did anyone have the same experience as me? Can I still use my original build on the device and ignore the heat? I'm thinking that you can't let your mod get too hot but maybe I'm wrong because it's not the battery rather the rda heat. Please let me know what you think. Thank you and good morning.
Hot build on the Smok AL85
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Mostly depends on the cell you're using.
Single cell power devices just really aren't all that great for mid to high watt vaping, battery life suffers & heat build up is common.
Just me, I wouldn't push any single true 20a CDR cell past 60w.
As long as you're using watt or a tc mode resistance isn't a factor in cell amp drain when using a regulated power device.
The al85 should show a warning message on the display when the pcb gets too hot & refuse to fire, of course relying on a .16 cent saftey feature isn't something I would do.
Single cell power devices just really aren't all that great for mid to high watt vaping, battery life suffers & heat build up is common.
Just me, I wouldn't push any single true 20a CDR cell past 60w.
As long as you're using watt or a tc mode resistance isn't a factor in cell amp drain when using a regulated power device.
The al85 should show a warning message on the display when the pcb gets too hot & refuse to fire, of course relying on a .16 cent saftey feature isn't something I would do.
I'm not necessarily relying on the feature to let me know if the mod is too hot. Also the battery is a Samsung 25 amp battery. I know that in a single cell it's not made for mid to high watt vaping. The highest I would go on it is 65 watts with this battery. I'm just upset how the mod heats up so fast to the point that it's noticeable heat one can feel on that build I was using. But I guess like you said single cells aren't for what I am looking for in a mod if I want to chuck clouds. The AL85 will just be more of a toy to me I guess.
Samsung doesnt make a 25a CDR cell.
Depending on your power devices low voltage cut off you could be very near to maybe exceeding the cell CDR at 65w.
Depending on your power devices low voltage cut off you could be very near to maybe exceeding the cell CDR at 65w.
Omg I didn't know that. I was using these Samsung 2500 mah thinking that they were 25A batteries. That's what they told me I was buying at the vape shop. I need to be more careful next time I buy batteries. I can't believe it.
Samsung INR18650 - 25R, 2500mah is a very good 20a CDR cell.
It isn't like infrequent/occasional 65w use is gonna cause the battery to immediately vent or go into thermal runaway, it will get hot, damage it internally and greatly reduce the useful life.
It is still something I wouldn't do or recommend.
Continued use of a routinely over stressed cell & disregarding or not recognizing the warning signs of impending failure will cause problems.
It isn't like infrequent/occasional 65w use is gonna cause the battery to immediately vent or go into thermal runaway, it will get hot, damage it internally and greatly reduce the useful life.
It is still something I wouldn't do or recommend.
Continued use of a routinely over stressed cell & disregarding or not recognizing the warning signs of impending failure will cause problems.
Are you chain vaping those 7 draws when the PCB gets hot? Also, does the mod itself feel hot or the top cap?
As to batteries, the 25R is a solid reliable battery. At 65W you are cutting into your wiggle room on current draw, but should still be able to do it. I would use a 2 battery mod for 65W vaping, mostly for the longer run time.
As to batteries, the 25R is a solid reliable battery. At 65W you are cutting into your wiggle room on current draw, but should still be able to do it. I would use a 2 battery mod for 65W vaping, mostly for the longer run time.
The mod is mostly getting hot as apposed to the battery. It's the mod getting hot and not really the top cap. I have a regular Alien too and I agree that for 65 watts it's better. I just picked up the AL85 because I thought it can do the same as the Alien being that I don't go over 65 watts. I'm going to buy a 25 or 30 amp battery for this AL85.
I decided to "go against my nature" so to speak and put a tank instead of an rda on the AL85. I bought the T8 coil for the smok baby beast (surprised that the AL85 came with less performance coils and not this one). I run it at 50w and I can say I am satisfied. I just need to use 8mg juice instead of my usual 6mg and I can get a very decent draw, as far as nicotine fill and clouds are concerned. I am very glad I found what to do with this AL85. I have no issues of the tank heating up the device too quickly either now.
Do you have any batteries that you know for sure are legit, (ie bought from a reputable source like ilumn, *not* a vape shop) that you can test this with?
There aren't any 18650's with a 30 amp cdr, there is one that's 25amp and that's the vtc5a, make sure you get the right one though esp. if you're buying from a vape shop bc Sony's all look pretty much the same and there's tons of fakes.
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I bought the battery I am using in the AL85 from a vape shop I can trust. He sold me the Samsung green battery 2500mah and I thought they were 25 amp until someone corrected me and told me that they are really 20 amp. To be safe I am staying at 50w being that the mod is single cell.
Yeah I get that you trust them and they're probably great guys but the point is you or they can't know anything for sure, there are a lot of re-wrapped fakes going around. The best thing to do is just never buy batteries from a vape shop, esp if you are pushing a single 18650 to 65w. You can buy anything else you want from a vape shop, just not batteries.
At least the guy knew the mAh of the battery though... my local vape shop sells people efests while perfectly good HG2's are sitting right there bc the (re)wrapper says they're 35amp.
At least the guy knew the mAh of the battery though... my local vape shop sells people efests while perfectly good HG2's are sitting right there bc the (re)wrapper says they're 35amp.
That's right I forgot about those, I stopped buying LG batts though, too many fakes even from reputable places.
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