How are clones allowed?
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Boo freakin hoo. The broke part isn't the point. The point is that such justification has been used, and is still wrong, in many instances. "man I'm broke, but I really want that cd/movie... I'll just download it!" the fact of the matter USUALLY is though that you aren't too poor to buy it, you'd just prefer to go the cheap dishonest route and spend your money elsewhere.
I'm not saying you are an evil person for it, but let's call a spade a spade. You've got a computer and an Internet connection. You obviously aren't starving in the streets.
Really? You people act like a 150 dollar piece of kit is like buying a yacht. Just say it isn't worth it to you so you buy clones. No need to appeal to some "poverty class need for cheap clone vaping material."
Given that many of these clones are using the original designers' names to promote their fake product, I would say they're copying the maker.
You are assuming facts not in evidence.
The fact of the matter is, the high end, artistic mod creators don't care if the Chinese knock off their products or not. They're not into mass production or satisfying millions of customers. They know their target market and they know that as soon as they release a new version of their product, the devoted consumers of their art will gobble it up.
Do you think Da Vinci cared what the masses thought of his creations?
I have framed prints of the Declaration of Independence and the United States Constitution hanging on the wall in my office. I think they were both printed in China, but I bought them at the Smithsonian during an extended stay in Washington DC.
I somehow don't believe that either Jefferson or Madison care much where I got them.
I could easily afford any of the beautiful works of art shown in the "pictures of your setup" thread. In fact, if I really wanted to, I could afford to $hove myself to the head of the line for those in highest demand.
If someone gets upset because they have to struggle for months and save for a big honkin' Greek or US made mod whilst I happily puff away on my cheap Chinese knockoff, well... that just ain't my cross to bear.
You dig?
Will not get into a pissing contest. You obviously have no respect for the right of anyone to make a choice other than that which you deem correct. and - lol, I've got your Boo Freakin Hoo
Why would I choose my desires over those of the rest of the family?(i.e. Cable vs mod)
Which my wife works and pays for.Anyway, I hope your castle is always secure and well guarded.
Have a good life!
Dal
ETA - forgot to mention, not broke by a long shot. Just vested in other matters more pressing.
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Really the only way to stop the clone wars is to buy the real ones!
My segelei 13 and my Terminator is a great combo that looks awesome and vapes great too. They're both 'copies' or 'clones' of the originals. The main reason I bought them is simply because it's basically not possible to buy the real thing. I'm not going to stress out over constantly searching for a certain atty, when I get something that's nearly identical by simply clicking on 'add to cart' .
That's likely the absolute truth of it. However the cards are completely stacked against it and the evidence is staring us in the face. There's a market far greater in numbers for inexpensive mass produced 'clones' than there is for a high end artisan pieces of equipment. With the numbers of vapers growing exponentially and demographic of overall vapers getting younger it only stands to reason the demand for these devices will only increase in the future.
Did you really just say "you are assuming facts not in evidence" followed by "the fact of the matter is, in the high end, artistic molders don't care if the Chinese knock off their products."? I'm gonna need to see like a signed statement from all" artistic modders" since you threw those out back to back....
Next, trying to label it "artistic modding" is a pile of crap. They are functional engineered pieces of equipment. If you compare a painting or the Declaration of Independence to something Kir Fanis makes... Then you have to lump ferrari, many guns, knives etc. In with it too. I assure you, there is a plethora of case law relating to ornate pieces of machinery being sued over for infringement. Not to mention, you are comparing things that aren't even not in the same ballpark, but really aren't in the same solar system.
It's fine if you or anyone else buys knockoffs. Just don't try to help yourself sleep at night by saying that you were somehow forced to and had no choice. It's just not true.
You are right, $150 is not worth it to me if one similar in performance is available for $25. As for the comparison to stealing movies and music, that is ridiculous. We are not breaking any law by buying the product of our choosing. I thought you argued for a living (and apparently get rich at it).
It's fine?
When did you switch camps? I missed something
I never said "you can't buy clones". My point is that the asinine justification for it is unnecessary. A simple "the real thing isn't worth it to me" would suffice, but everyone seems to go into some grandiose speech about class struggle inherent in the globalized economy...
Do I think cloning is unethical and immoral? Yes. Do I think buying clones is right? No. Do I think that because you have a knockoff instead of an original that you are less of a person? Heck no, we all disagree with some of everyone's behavior, doesn't mean we can't still have a beer afterward.
If it makes any difference my next device is going to be the Super T ELA. I'm pretty sure it's not a clone (<== sarcasm), but I don't begrudge any mass manufacturer the ability to clone it or any vaper to buy said clone. I know the difference and that's all that matters to me 
You did indeed assume facts not in evidence. And it's not my job to do your research for you. If you think those artisans are piping hot mad over their designs being copied by others, go find out.
Sued over infringement in western courts, correct? The Chinese laugh at western jurisprudence and are releasing a Caravela clone next week, or something.
Assuming facts not in evidence again. I don't even own a mod.
Yet.
I'd be willing to bet that if an American vaping company had the time and money to sue a foreign company for stealing a design, that legal argument would go out the window real fast. For that matter, just because something is legal doesn't make it right or ethical.
And for the love of god, get off the "you're rich" straw man please. I bought 150 dollar luxury items when I worked part time in retail. You don't have to make 6 figures to afford a freaking original RBA!
Then why didn't you just say so in the First place and save everyone the grief?
Not everyone speaks the same in reference and no one can assume others will understand what their point is.
Now, where's the Bar!
Now, where's the Bar!
Here it is. As you'll notice, it's been lowered to allow for the lax entrance standards.
Here it is. As you'll notice, it's been lowered to allow for the lax entrance standards.
Thank you,
I'd prefer the only standard be mutual Respect...........But I'm not completely ignorant of status.
These type threads should should always include specific examples. Many seem to think produced mods are ALL included.
Clearly a few are Blatant while a few are an attempt to give recognition and most are just cheap Mods that.....ahmmm......We have dubbed clones. The latter are not even in a grey area.
Maybe it makes people feel better to say CCTS rather than KTS Storm(original Manufacture designation) Not even a close attempt, just an adjustable Tube mod.
In researching the lower end mods, I often find it is the US Retailer that is at fault by attempting to boost sales through ambiguous reference.
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