How can I get that elusive throat hit?

[Room112]

I have a question for all the vaping vets out there. I recently bought some 10mg, 100% PG juice. It gave good TH on my Bloog MF so I decided to try some 12mg, 50/50 from another vendor. It definitely didn't give anywhere near the same TH as the original juice, hence my question.

If I move to a bigger PV such as the Ego-T, will it give me better TH at the same nic strength vs a Bloog?

I'd really like to avoid that route cause I've bought so much Bloog equipment that I don't want to abandon. What about if I use the Bloog cartos with Ego-T batteries? Would I even notice a difference? Do they even make those adapters?

What about strengthening the juice? I've seen flavorless 24mg juice online. Is it just a matter of adding it to the existing juice?

And in the future, should I stick with primarily PG juices? I read a post on here by Leaford saying that their juices were almost 100% PG cause they wick better in the cartos. Could that be why the 50/50 didn't give the same TH?

Thanks in advance for everyone's input!

 

[cactusgirl]

PG juices are noteworthy for producing better throat but not as good vapour as VGr, whereas VG produces plumes of vapour but has a tendency to mute flavour and throat hit.

If you add flavourless to your existing juice, you are diluting the existing flavour of the juice.

Many vendors offer combinations (such as your 50/50) with an option to increase flavour. You may also find that it can help to increase the nic level when ordering juices with higher VG content.

 

[Concat]

There are 5 factors that affect TH.

- Nic strength. A higher nicotine strength will increase TH substantially. 10 mg is on the low end. I vape 18 mg, and my 9 mg stuff is pretty TH-less.

- PG vs VG. PG gives you more throat hit. VG is smooth. I prefer a mix of about 70% PG and 30% VG.

- Flavorings. Some flavors, like menthol, just give you more TH. Tobacco flavors are a good bet. Some stuff like peach might be weak.

- Voltage. Higher the voltage, the more throat high. Variable voltage mods come in handy, but are an expensive proposition for a new vaper.

- Atomizers. The Ego-T low res atomizer, for example, hits me like a freight train. This is closely related to #4 voltage. You can replicate low res atomiers by upping the voltage on a standard atty.


If I vaped a 36 mg tobacco flavor, with the voltage on my VV mod turned up, while using a Ego-T LR atty, it would probably knock me onto the floor. BTW, the Maxx Bloog is supposedly quite good in terms of TH and vapor production. I myself haven't tried one, but I hear good things. Only problem is that there aren't a lot of options for atomizers/cartomizers. If you got an Ego, you could at least try out the dozens of different 510 threaded atomizers/cartomizers and drip tips.

The Ego-T tends to cut down on the flavor, by the way. It's bit more of a drier vape, with the flavor reduced. Some juices taste better than others. Just a word of caution.

 

[Eileithia]

Piping in on the Bloog - It is a great PV, the cartos are almost perfect, and the way the battery and carts perform together are fantastic. The only ways you're going to increase TH on a bloog is by upping the Nic level, using higher PG content, or adding flavours that have TH on their own (Menthol, Pepper, Chili etc). It is really a very well balanced system.

If you're looking for more vapour I personally find the vapour production on the bloog is stellar even with 100% PG compared to other e-cigs I've used. 510/Ego's don't produce the same amounts of vapour with PG Juices, but really shine at a 70/30, or even 50/50 PG/VG mix.

Vapor =/= TH. That comes from the nicotine, flavourings, PG mix etc.

As to mods, it doesn't really matter when it comes to TH. If your juice sucks and is low nic the best mod in the world won't give you TH. It may give you pnumonia from the amount of vapour in your lungs, but that's about it

Vapour production is tied to Juice and Watts. The hotter you can get your atty without popping it, and the more juice you can feed it when it's hot will give you more vapour. "Burning" juice is really just getting the atty so hot that you can't supply juice fast enough to keep it wet, and it dry burns giving a nasty aftertaste. The reason people use LR Atties on 510/Ego's is to increase the wattage. Using a VV Mod lets you dial in the wattage (Atty resistance + volts supplied) to hit a sweet spot where you don't burn the juice but you burn the atty hot enough to vaporize large QTYs of juice in a very short period of time.

 

[Eileithia]

some addtional comments to your questions.

If I move to a bigger PV such as the Ego-T, will it give me better TH at the same nic strength vs a Bloog?

I'd really like to avoid that route cause I've bought so much Bloog equipment that I don't want to abandon. What about if I use the Bloog cartos with Ego-T batteries? Would I even notice a difference? Do they even make those adapters?

The Bloog puts out 3.7V, the Ego/510 are 3.2V (Someone please correct that if I'm wrong). The only benefit of going to an Ego over a bloog is the amount of additional options there are as it uses a 510 connection. The sheer amount of accessories can be daunting. You CAN get a higher wattage with the Ego by using LR Atties. Also the increase in battery life can be nice if you're away from chargers for extended periods of time.

As for using Bloog Cartos on an Ego, yes it can be done. (I've done it) You'll need a 510 Battery to KR808 Carto adapter. As the Ego is lower voltage than the bloog it doesn't perform as well as it would connected to a bloog battery. Physicial size of battery has nothing to do with voltage output.

 

[Concat]

All I can see about the ego is that the normal working voltage is 3.3-4.2 V (I've seen 3.6-4.2 as well)

I always assumed they were 3.7 V batteries, and 3.3 volts is just what they put out when they are close to needing a charge. 4.2V is a freshly charged battery, but it quickly winds down to 3.7. hmmmm... Time to google.

 

[Eileithia]

All I can see about the ego is that the normal working voltage is 3.3-4.2 V (I've seen 3.6-4.2 as well)

I always assumed they were 3.7 V batteries, and 3.3 volts is just what they put out when they are close to needing a charge. 4.2V is a freshly charged battery, but it quickly winds down to 3.7. hmmmm... Time to google.

OK.. good to know.. All I know is my bloog cartos don't perform nearly as well on an ego as they do on a bloog battery. Could be the regulated circutry on the bloog, but I was sure it was a voltage thing.

 

[rolandpibb]

OK.. good to know.. All I know is my bloog cartos don't perform nearly as well on an ego as they do on a bloog battery. Could be the regulated circutry on the bloog, but I was sure it was a voltage thing.

And I have found that for TH and warmth, my Volt is better than my Bloog :O

 

[Switched]

All I can see about the ego is that the normal working voltage is 3.3-4.2 V (I've seen 3.6-4.2 as well)

I always assumed they were 3.7 V batteries, and 3.3 volts is just what they put out when they are close to needing a charge. 4.2V is a freshly charged battery, but it quickly winds down to 3.7. hmmmm... Time to google.

The eGo batteries will come off the charger at 4-4.2 volts. The on board PCB pulses the voltage under load from 3.0 to 3.7 giving you a avg "measured" voltage of 3.2 - 3.3. Having used both a 3.7V eGo and a std eGo, I prefer the std eGo. There is allot to say about PWM (pulse width modulation) e,g the 3.7 might kick out of the gate but the voltage sags over time whilst the std eGo puts out the exact same voltage from start to finish, when the cut off is reached.

 

[Concat]

An std Ego? What's that?

 

[dopeh]

An std Ego? What's that?

A standard eGo.

I'd like to add that the brand/type of battery also matters. An AW IMR 14500 will provide more amperage than a BDL IMR 14500. Cheap batts give cheap hits.

 

[wrigleyvillain]

It's not really elusive it can just seem that way in the beginning. You'll get there just keep trying different stuff and learning the ropes. I started with a standard eGo kit from Totally Wicked w/ some whatever tobacco juice and it was the most unsatisfying "hit" ever. Barely even any visible vapor much less the feel of anything going down. Better battery and better juice plus perhaps a LR atomizer or cartomizer all have to do with it. At first I was told "just get a LR atty" but thats only one piece of the pie. Now, armed with more experience and better tools, even on my original standard atty on my original battery fully charged plus just the right amount of Ikenvape RY4, for example, dripped in I can get a great, satisfying hit. Waaay better than the early weeks even though it's the same hardware.

If anything about ecigs are "elusive" it's getting them to perform consistently! Some are better than others in this regard and new, improving stuff is coming out all the time.

 

[rolandpibb]

And stay away from high voltage devices. You'll be spoiled for TH with every other device you have.

If I'm dripping on my ego booster @ >4v, I have to stay away from my Go-Go or VOLT for a while because they just don't punch you in the throat as hard.

 

[zerominusone]

More powerful battery, LR carto, higher nic content. Warmth + nic content = TH

 

[wrigleyvillain]

Offhand a cheap, easy-to-find juice that gives me a nice TH is Dekang RY4. Juice def matters and it's not a simple as "pure VG" that's for sure. I am trying a bunch of diff flavors and mixture ratios from Honeyville right now after their recent 39 cent sale and some give good TH some don't at all.

 

[Switched]

An std Ego? What's that?

I have a std (normal) eGo, a 3.7 x 18650 eGo and a VV eGo.

 

[Concat]

A standard eGo.

I'd like to add that the brand/type of battery also matters. An AW IMR 14500 will provide more amperage than a BDL IMR 14500. Cheap batts give cheap hits.

Sooo standard as in JoyTech? And the other being a knockoff? :/

 

[wrigleyvillain]

No standard in terms of the battery type and current output.

 

[Concat]

Bah I'm confused. What's a non standard ego battery then? The poster referenced both a "3.7V Ego" and a "std Ego." I never knew there was a distinction.

 

[Switched]

I have a std (normal) eGo, a 3.7 x 18650 eGo and a VV eGo.

Sooo standard as in JoyTech? And the other being a knockoff? :/

Bah I'm confused. What's a non standard ego battery then? The poster referenced both a "3.7V Ego" and a "std Ego." I never knew there was a distinction.

Do you actually read what is posted???

A STANDARD eGo come from JotE which is the OEM for all things "eGo". The rest are nock offs yes. I have built an 18650 eGo complete with cone as well as a VV eGo. They are not knock offs, they are original. Can you get one? Yes if you build it.

ETA: What is an eGO?