How dangerous is 24mg e-juice on skin?

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Another important thing to remember is that nicotine tolerance factors in. What might be lethal to someone who doesn't use nicotine might just give a buzz to a heavy user. Plus, it just isn't ethical to do LD50 tests on humans... :)

However, that being said, I'll echo previous comments and say that getting some e-liquid on your skin probably won't harm you. I suggest washing it off as soon as possible, but it really shouldn't be too much of a problem. I've gotten a drop of 36mg in my eye(by accident), and though it hurt like blue blazes, I didn't get much more than a slight buzz from it. I've had my share of spills, overfills, leaks, and usually nothing comes from it. Safety first, though!
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Yeh, well, I guess I had an Irish slip, but I say I was provoked...go to the following thread, posts #991, #992 and #993 and see what you think......or not, testosterone is beginning to subside, now :oops:.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/nicotine/44958-so-we-getting-we-not-nicotine.html


Well, if kurt can't coaxe him out, he probably has his head stuck in the sand.

TV:


I started to read this thread from the beginning...luckily you gave the ref. nos. or id've been there all night!!!is that what you call an irish slip...hehe....you can blame uk for xxxx....(haha that came out wrong!!!) nothing to do with richard what kind of a nickname is that......



kurts probably rang all the hospitals in the area and is arranging for gps tracking on the guinea pigs mobile!!!sounds like the kind to have the fbi on hand for situations like this....

i have a tendency to go off topic ....."jolly good" "carry on" (best english accent i could muster!!!

disclaimer: (TV perhaps you should have this in your signature also!) the irish have a different kind of humor so if i upset anyone/overstep the mark/just plain not funny(maybe leave this part out!) then do let me know and ill put an apology in the post*****

*****post means mail in ireland to those of you havent read my earlier thread (or who havent watched harry potter apparently!)
 
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ahhhhhhhhhhhhh........

your post all makes sense now....i didnt realise the d.....k word would be automatically xd out....

you did that just to make me swear....next ill be banned for calling erasers rubbers.....

Yep, can't even call someone by name if Momma named 'em xxxx!! I do think "rubbers" is ok, you just can't call anyone "xxxx". Whether it's their name or they are one.
 
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NanoVapor seems to have left the building. If he (and I assume "he") did indeed do all he claimed to do, his little experiments were clearly not without lingering effect, as he claimed...they made him write like a 13 year old. Perhaps one of the moderators took my hint and sent him a PM.

Ironically, "nano" means extremely small. I would assume that holds for his brains, as well as his vapor. The ONLY way what he was saying had any truth at all is if he were part of one of the groups I mentioned. And if that were the case he would likely be sworn to secrecy. His few other posts were without substance or overt clues. As I said, some intro greetings, a shout out to DonDaBoom for a nice job writing his opus magnum on PVs, and something about coffee and vaping. Oh, and mentioning a few times that he donated to ECF.

If I am wrong on these things, and he really did do these things, I stand humbly corrected, and will apologize for not trusting him. His message, however, was none the less very reckless and plain not true. There are many factors involved in skin absorption of toxins, even for the same toxin with two different people. Soft, clean skin will absorb far better than calloused grimy skin. Good habits when working with high-nic juices, or at least the public record of communicating them, is simply without debate. Advocating a devil-may-care attitude around these materials is patently ridiculous.

Of course, I think he is/was a troll, looking to cause trouble, and didn't count on any one of us having some knowledge about these things. Trolls are like that. They focus on trouble, and tend to overlook sound science. If they knew sound science, chances are they wouldn't need to waste time trolling. They tend to post things, after a short period of inconsequential postings, that are meant to derail the topic and cause arguments and silly debating over things that are not pertinent. Or worse, in the case of ECF, they present dangerous examples, hoping someone follows them, or claim serious health effects no one has heard of. Then they vanish, and rarely respond to questions. They just sit back and watch everyone waste their time...like me right now...barking at each other about stupid stuff.

In the health forum, someone posted something about diabetes and vaping is killing them. Claimed their doc told them so. Forget about the fact that there are lots of diabetics here that have zero issues with PG or VG vaping, as confirmed by daily blood tests. This person was dying and had to get rid of their $3000+ investment into hardware, juices, etc. Listed a bewildering list of PVs, including several e-pipes, several different pen styles, etc, bewildering especially since this uber-vaper had all of 34 posts. All these PVs and juices had to be THROWN OUT, or else DEATH WOULD HAPPEN!! Weeks of debating followed, but not involving the OP. They were gone, and haven't posted since.

Most trolls don't converse. They post insane stuff meant to derail and scare. If they actually tried to back up their statements they would be found out quick.

Got a PM from someone who, again, had about 34 posts, saying that VAPING WAS KILLING HER WHOLE FAMILY!! They were all going to the hospital and did I have any advice. She chose me because I have some chemistry education. I wrote back, but no response, and no further posts.

Nanavapor is likely a troll. I suggest he step up or be banned. His post set an astoundingly dangerous example to the inexperienced, and no one who actually worked with mega-toxins like he claimed would ever publicly advocate such carelessness. And why would they? My guess is his "Supporting Member" status was meant to make the mods reluctant to ban him. Others may disagree, think I'm too hard on him, but this board is one huge paper trail, and what we say and the advice we give does matter.

I'm inclined to recommend banning him if there is no response, if my opinion counts.
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I get 48mg juice all over the place,and quite a bit has spilled into my mouth. Usually I don't swallow it tho',but I certainly have. I've also gotten 60mg on my hands while pouring into smaller bottles. I've had no ill effects from it other than a lil sick feeling a couple of times that I did swallow a large ammount. Each person will react differently though. I'm 6'2" 250 pounds so that may be a factor.
 

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I get 48mg juice all over the place,and quite a bit has spilled into my mouth. Usually I don't swallow it tho',but I certainly have. ...

Ahah! Another pig ;). 'Spose this isn't the place to say what happens to the 48 that ends up in my mouth, though :oops:. Sorry, kurt.....I feel so guilty :(.

Man o man.
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Ahah! Another pig ;). 'Spose this isn't the place to say what happens to the 48 that ends up in my mouth, though :oops:. Sorry, kurt.....I feel so guilty :(.

LOL! :lol::lol::lol::lol: TV, as I said, you are a hazmat technician...you may be messy, but I seriously doubt you are stupid, and you know how to deal with this stuff. You've already said you are very careful when it is around your kids. That's the part of your post that will stick in people's minds that are still learning the ropes of DIY. That is the part that truly matters. So you can forget the guilt! Of course a little guilt is what keeps us on the good path...

To be honest, I don't think a little 60 mg on your skin, and mind you a LITTLE, will do much other than get you nicced up for a bit. Like I said, it isn't the little bit you get on your fingers that you know about that is much of an issue. Its the large amount you know nothing about or do nothing about or just suddenly spills on you that is a big issue. I don't recommend vaping 48 mg straight, but supposedly we are all adults here, and nic is not illegal. Also, other components of the juice will make a difference. More ethanol will increase absorption, and I think VG absorbs better than PG. And it matters where you get it on you. My no-shirt no-shorts example was an extreme case of lots going onto very tender skin. Everyone is different, and yes, if you are a very big person you will have less problems, due to sheer volume dilution in the body.

I'm not saying everyone needs to be like a robot when working with these materials. I'm sloppy too sometimes, but I am not sloppy when there is a large amount of high-nic juice opened to possible spilling. I'm not because I am genuinely afraid of the consequences of a large spill. This stuff doesn't just vacuum up. Nor does it evaporate. Sooner or later someone is going to have a big spill. If they keep their heads, they run to the shower really fast...and hold their breath when the nic-steam hits their face. The room with the spill is a serious problem. If there is a puddle in the carpet, chances are that carpet needs to be removed...carefully! Steam cleaning it will release enormous amounts of nic into the air...not sure what the effect of that would be, but I'm not about to find out.

People are free to handle their nic however they see fit. You won't kill yourself getting a few drops on you or down your throat. I don't care if you've secretly shampooed your hair with 75 mg juice. I'm saying that there are young and impressionable minds reading these threads, and lots of stories about how harmless concentrated nic-juice is will be seen as the go-ahead to not have any safety concerns at all. Everyone will get some drops on them, and it may or may not have an obvious effect. Just like in the labs I teach, I am taking the position of at least communicating proper handling methods, especially when there is chance of a large spill. And if there are very young children or inquisitive pets around, then this is even more important. I recommend at least making it so that big spills are not likely, whether you use bottles with eurodroppers, or plastic dropper bottles, or whatever it is that keeps the juice in the bottle when you knock it over, and chances are eventually you will. I have. Take care of this issue, then the inevitable messes that can and do occur with everyone are very minor in comparison to a large spill.

All through ECF, I note about 10:1 posts of things along the lines of "I got 75 mg on my hands and just got buzzed" to "I've done a) b) and c) to help minimize risk". If you do DIY, you now have a small lab with potentially dangerous materials. I'm trying to bring to here that which keeps my students safe. We do a reaction called the Grignard, which has the potential to explode into flaming shards of glass. The chances of that are maybe 1:1000 as long as you are very focused and controlled...which is one of the main learning goals of the lab. How do I get them to have the focus needed to translate into NEVER having had this reaction explode in a teaching lab, for over 25 years? I tell them it might explode into flaming shards of glass, and here is what you do with your hands here, and here is how you add solvent there, and here is what it should look like, and here is what it should NOT look like. A little fear and respect towards danger is what keeps you safe. Same thing here.

Personally I could not care less about how messy people are. There is a huge difference between a large grown man, aware of the dangers, having a woopsie moment, and a young inexperienced kid not even knowing they've had a woopsie moment until it is too late. This is my main point. And a young mind needs only one message of "nothing to worry about" among 100s of "don't do it" messages to go ahead and be stupid.

And also, the more wild-west we are about talking about these materials, the more likely they will be yanked from us by the FDA. So you can also just call all this preaching my own selfish motives trying to preserve my own vaping. I refuse to contribute to the demise of my own vaping. I would like to see others follow suit.
 

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Kurt..I've seen you recommend at least 2 people be banned in this thread for not agreeing with your concerns, one of them a long time vaper with infinitely more experience than you. This thread and the usually fear mongering has been duplicated at least a half dozen time this year alone.

I've had up to 36mg liquid on my hand for an entire night from a leaky mod and managed to get absolutely nothing from it...not even the slightest buzz. The experience has been replicated by countless vapers who have posted their stories.

For others, if you spill juice on your hand, wipe it off when you get a chance. If your heart starts beating fast you can thank threads like this for inspiring it.
 

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Kurt..I've seen you recommend at least 2 people be banned in this thread for not agreeing with your concerns, one of them a long time vaper with infinitely more experience than you. This thread and the usually fear mongering has been duplicated at least a half dozen time this year alone.

I've had up to 36mg liquid on my hand for an entire night from a leaky mod and managed to get absolutely nothing from it...not even the slightest buzz. The experience has been replicated by countless vapers who have posted their stories.

For others, if you spill juice on your hand, wipe it off when you get a chance. If your heart starts beating fast you can thank threads like this for inspiring it.

Nuck, as far as I'm aware, I've only recommended that NanoVapor be banned, no one else, and I think I had good reason. If it seemed like I was recommending someone else be banned, I did not mean to, and I certainly don't think anyone else in this thread should be banned. If someone besides Nano thinks I've done that, I am truly sorry. I have probably become too heavy handed. I can kinda go on sometimes...but I don't in general recommend bannings. Besides, I have no authority to do such a thing.

I strongly believe that safety of nic-juice is our Achilles heal. How adults handle this stuff is their choice. But if it seems we are creating an environment out of willful sloppiness where children are at risk, however remote the danger is, then we give the FDA more reason to ban, control, or reduce this technology. 36 mg does not do much, you are right, but that was not my point at all. Well, I've probably said too much and too loudly, and I've stated my points as clearly as I can...so its time to shut up. Sorry to ruffle feathers, honestly never meant to have anyone else banned. :oops:
 

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I don't recommend vaping 48 mg straight,

I wouldn't either, but I find it more convenient than my IV drip :rolleyes:.


If there is a puddle in the carpet, chances are that carpet needs to be removed...carefully! Steam cleaning it will release enormous amounts of nic into the air...not sure what the effect of that would be, but I'm not about to find out.

Right, you are. I.C. would require me to wear a canister type respirator and a Level B kevlar suit to remove, then carpet would be incinerated ;).


Personally I could not care less about how messy people are.

Phoow!!:)


Sorry to ruffle feathers, :oops:

Not even close, Bro. But not being able to say the name xxxx on the forum does. "Richard Sees Spot Run" doesn't get it in the book category for me. After posting it I felt like a xxxx.
 
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Very interesting read and a load of great info.

Since I only tend to wipe 24mg off my hands with a paper towel, sometimes moistened in 91% alcohol to also wipe down the PT after my hands I can say I haven't had any reactions from it so far and I'm only about 120lbs. If it splatters into my mouth I spit it out, wipe off what I can with a paper towel and take a drink to wash it down. When I do get up I tend to wash my hands though which can be from 1-2 hours later or more if at all. That is not to say the next person won't though. If handling the pets, etc. I do wash my hands first though.

About the most I can say is everyone's system is different, some can't take one aspirin without a deadly reaction or eat a peanut. Same goes with most chemicals taken orally or absorbed through the skin. I think the size of a person and their own chemistry plays an important role in how one thing will affect 1 and not another.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with those that play it safe and only a problem for those that don't if what they do will harm someone else, put them in the hospital or ground (DOA) thus giving the FDA ammo to use against the rest of us.

Thank you for all the info, since I'm about to venture into making my juice myself. Will be moving all my nic supplies into euro dropper bottles carefully since I live alone with no one who checks if I'm alive or dead. All my animals depend on me so I would rather be safe than sorry, even a hospital stay would be devestating.---Edit grammer.
 
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Dunno how worried are you guys, but during my experiments of finding the perfect cart-filler design and trying every mod out there, I've spent countless nights, for hours (around 6-7 per night) trying to figure it all out, and I can tell ya, I had e-liquid constantly on both of my hands for hours, which only made me feel a little bit sick, because I was constantly puffing and counting how many good drags I get from yet another mod I've found. So that being said, I assume AT LEAST I have a high tolerance for nicotine. I was experimenting with 18mg only tho, but considering how much I wasted every night during experiments (on my hands and puffing), I say it way pretty much enough to "theoretically" kill me...
 

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Dunno how worried are you guys, but during my experiments of finding the perfect cart-filler design and trying every mod out there, I've spent countless nights, for hours (around 6-7 per night) trying to figure it all out, and I can tell ya, I had e-liquid constantly on both of my hands for hours, which only made me feel a little bit sick, because I was constantly puffing and counting how many good drags I get from yet another mod I've found. So that being said, I assume AT LEAST I have a high tolerance for nicotine. I was experimenting with 18mg only tho, but considering how much I wasted every night during experiments (on my hands and puffing), I say it way pretty much enough to "theoretically" kill me...
Haha, I'll second that. Don't know about the hand thing, but that's why I finally gave up on mixing my own flavors...puff, puff...:(...puff, puff...:confused:...puff, puff...:grr:...puff, puff...:-x...puff, puff...:|...puff, puff...:yawn:...puff, puff...:p.
 

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Haha, I'll second that. Don't know about the hand thing, but that's why I finally gave up on mixing my own flavors...puff, puff...:(...puff, puff...:confused:...puff, puff...:grr:...puff, puff...:-x...puff, puff...:|...puff, puff...:yawn:...puff, puff...:p.

Don't Tell me :D ! I would imagine, that given the fact that there are 3-4 very good known mods for carts, I spent 2-3 weeks every night for hours, trying to make it work BETTER than it is supposed to, I would imagine what will happen, if I try mixing my own juice and stuff 8-o Count me dead already, hehe. Anyway, that's just a "theory", you know :p ...
 
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