How dangerous is 24mg e-juice on skin?

[Kurt]

That e-liquid is relatively slowly absorbed through skin is fortunate, because it gives time to wash it off (with soap). Nobody should think though that it will not be absorbed eventually, so always wash off even tiny amounts immediately. Same goes for surfaces, wipes, leaks, gloves, clothes, etc.

Cart leaks present the greater danger though and we do need better designs to avoid that possibility. Not having the liquid in the mouthpiece, and with the liquid 'sealed' (but refillable) such that only the expanded vapor can pass out through a valve or nozzle ...

If do get liquid in the mouth, spit it out as best as you can.

As with knives, power tools, electricity, drugs, cleaners, garden chemicals etc, respect the dangers and never get complacent. Don't take chances; that's how 'good drivers' get killed every day.

Right on, kin. This is to the people that are new to this DIY world. No matter the concentration, good habits make a healthy vaper. Respect the nic and it will be your friend. When I make DIY juices, everything is set up neat and orderly before I start, and then all my motions are very choreographed and controlled. I use a syringe for all dispensing, so I never touch the juice or have it drip accidentally from a dropper. In terms of dangers, I think it is a very good idea to wash your mouth out with water if you get nic juice in it from a cart. Swallowing a drop is not likely to give more than hiccups and a delayed big buzz. But too much nic hanging around in the mouth has been shown to make you lose teeth in the long term. 8-o This is common for very long term nic-gum chewers. Also, I have all my high-nic juices in glass bottles with eurodropper inserts, which allow for syringe needles to get juice out, but will not spill if knocked over. One thing about working with lots of nic is it is easy to get buzzed and clumsy.

Here is something to ponder: suppose you have a new jar of 75 mg juice. You want to make some juice. You are alone, and wearing shorts and t-shirt...or no shirt...maybe no shorts! You get careless and knock the jar over on you. Very possible to do when you are jazzed on your latest recipe. 200 mL gets all over you, the table, the floor, the carpet, your desk chair.

What do you do now? The clock is ticking fast.

Best to think out your plan of action for this horrible accident before it happens. Do no expect to think clearly if it does happen. As kin said, like anything else that is dangerous, respect the nic. In my setup, that scenario can only possibly happen once: when I transfer the juice to glass bottles with with eurodroppers for storage. After that, unless I drop and break a bottle, it can not happen...for months.

If you need to, practice transferring with water. These operations actually take a little skill. In fact I would like to see more threads here on safety in nic handling than there are. I've posted details of my DIY methods elsewhere on ECF.

Be safe, and live the longer life available to you now that you are vaping more and smoking less.

 

[RjG]

Hmm, I think this is getting a bit carried away...

The question was "How dangerous is 24mg e-juice on skin",
in the context of spilling it on your fingers...

It's not. NOT AT ALL.

You can have it all over your fingers all day long, and not even get a tingle - never mind a buzz.

It's been tried, and proven, over and over and over right here on the forum. People have even tried making their own patches out of it - it didn't work.

Ask ANY vaper, who's been at this for over a couple months, it's a pretty regular occurrence when refilling, dripping, or just when you get a leak - it gets all over your fingers, (and sometimes you hands) all the time.

It happens. Wipe em off, kleenex is fine. No hurry, no panic.

Wash you hands next time you walk past the bathroom.

Guys - no offense - and cleanliness and safety are wonderful, I 100% agree. I don't want to argue the point either....

I am only posting this to prevent the next poor newbie who spills a bit of 24mg juice on their fingers next week from having a friggin panic attack after reading this topic. It will not hurt you, not at all.

As Kurt suggests, if you dump a JAR of 75 mg over a sufficient area of skin (OR if you squirt 24mg over your entire leg, and rub it in, and make no attempt at all to wipe it off) that's a different story. But it's also a very different topic, isn't it.

 

[Kurt]

Hmm, I think this is getting a bit carried away...

The question was "How dangerous is 24mg e-juice on skin",
in the context of spilling it on your fingers...

It's not. NOT AT ALL.

You can have it all over your fingers all day long, and not even get a tingle - never mind a buzz.

It's been tried, and proven, over and over and over right here on the forum. People have even tried making their own patches out of it - it didn't work.

Ask ANY vaper, who's been at this for over a couple months, it's a pretty regular occurrence when refilling, dripping, or just when you get a leak - it gets all over your fingers, (and sometimes you hands) all the time.

It happens. Wipe em off, kleenex is fine. No hurry, no panic.

Wash you hands next time you walk past the bathroom.

Guys - no offense - and cleanliness and safety are wonderful, I 100% agree. I don't want to argue the point either....

I am only posting this to prevent the next poor newbie who spills a bit of 24mg juice on their fingers next week from having a friggin panic attack after reading this topic. It will not hurt you, not at all.

As Kurt suggests, if you dump a JAR of 75 mg over a sufficient area of skin (OR if you squirt 24mg over your entire leg, and rub it in, and make no attempt at all to wipe it off) that's a different story. But it's also a very different topic, isn't it.

I agree totally. Forgive me for getting intense about this, but had we not had a post from someone who claims that even the most insanely poisonous compounds on the planet are no threat at all by skin absorption, this would stayed in the realm of the rational. That fire had to be put out, as a noob searching could have found that post and totally thrown all caution to the wind.

Still waiting for your response, NanoVapor. If you are still alive that is. 8-o

That said, 24 mg is a minimal threat on the skin, if any. Do not panic over 24 mg, or even 36 mg in small amounts. If its on your finger, just wash or wipe it off. You will know if you have taken in more nic than you might want. Very little chance of acute poisoning from a drop or two.

None the less, since I do teach chemistry lab to very young and sometimes careless minds, I will continue to be a strong and vocal advocate of discipline when working with high-nic juices, as I am professionally with far less dangerous materials. If we do not show a record for trying to teach responsible handling of potentially dangerous materials, then we have nothing to defend ourselves from the FDA's nanny attitudes.

And conversely, people need to think about this in these terms before they post a "nothing whatsoever to worry about" response to a very valid and common concern about these liquids. The vast majority here have zero experience with hazardous compounds. They just wanted to quit smoking. To not cover our bases preemptively with sound safety advice just shows the FDA that we are just a bunch of jack-asses. Think in terms of the paper trial. Read Smokey Joe's header for the DIY forum carefully. He took some valuable time writing that. We are not on stable trustworthy ground here yet. Being careless in private with these liquids is your choice. Be a publicly published advocate for carelessness here, and I personally will request that you be banned, because now you have threatened my access to vaping. Think.

 

[kinabaloo]

The eurostoppers is a good idea Kurt. More or less as effective as a valved system that I proposenow and then, where the two valves open when pressed together.

Simple, cheap and effective

Posted some pics of these some time ago; will see if I can find them. Found - here:

From this thread back in June: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...lth-warning-murray-laugesen-6.html#post330990

Btw, the bergamot shown I use for flavoring tea, not e-liquids.

I have written an extended article on handling safety here: http://www.tji-java-ide.com/e-cigar...-e-liquid&catid=48:faq-diy-e-juices&Itemid=75

 

[olderthandirt]

I agree totally. Forgive me for getting intense about this, ....
... The vast majority here have zero experience with hazardous compounds. ...
.. Be a publicly published advocate for carelessness here, and I personally will request that you be banned, because now you have threatened my access to vaping. Think.

Lemme see here Kurt, erm, nothing to be forgiven for, some topics require reasoned educated intensity,

because,

the experience level of the majority is just that, ZERO.

You just keep that soapbox handy Kurt, the kids round here NEED the voices of reason from time to time

 

[Kurt]

The eurostoppers is a good idea Kurt. More or less as effective as a valved system that I proposenow and then, where the two valves open when pressed together.

Simple, cheap and effective

Posted some pics of these some time ago; will see if I can find them. Found - here:

From this thread back in June: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...lth-warning-murray-laugesen-6.html#post330990

Btw, the bergamot shown I use for flavoring tea, not e-liquids.

I have written an extended article on handling safety here: http://www.tji-java-ide.com/e-cigar...-e-liquid&catid=48:faq-diy-e-juices&Itemid=75

Yes, exactly. Here are the ones I got in bulk Amber Euro Glass Bottle 50 ml w/ Dropper Cap (Blk) - 18 EURO BLK

Small issue is that with these bottles, in order for a syringe needle to reach in and get every drop of contents, you have to bend the needle a little in a slight J-curve. Also, these inserts, as droppers themselves, are useless. I use them simply as a septum for no spills and easy syringe access. All my liquids (high-nic unflavored, VG, PGA) are in these, and it just makes everything so quick, accurate, safe and easy. I can make a recipe with calculated exact amounts of ingredients in about 1 minute with almost zero risk of spilling...save for the flavors, like loranns, unless you transfer those into small glass euro-bottles.

TW 30 mL unflavored 36 and 54 mg bottles have this insert as well.

 

[Angela]

As a continuation of the theme: I took a blunt needle sold for re-filling ink cartridges and a rubber-bulb glass dropper top, took the glass tube out of the rubber bulb and inserted the blunt needle instead.... fits perfectly!

 

[Joliet]

Thanks for the math and information Angela. This is very good to know information.

60mg of nicotine is technically enough to kill you, but, even at 60mg liquid you would need a full ml (approx 20 drops) to have 60mg of nicotine.

Then, of course, the suspension liquid (eg PG or VG) will inhibit the absorbtion through the skin as the nicotine will be held in the suspension for longer.

Don't panic about a drop or two of 24mg, but it is a good idea to wash your hands if you do get it on your fingers (each drop will only contain around 1.4mg of nicotine - ie 24/20=1.4) - especially if you have children or pets around, whose tolerance will obviously be much lower that yours.

I am very keen to make sure that people know about the dangers of nicotine, but don't think that we need to be panicing over handling e-liquid.

 

[Kurt]

I can see I won't be able to dazzle you guys with my b*^^$@&t! Ok, she wasn't that bad. I only had my stomach pumped twice and the coma was less than a week. Happy now?

I'm always so happy when I see you've posted, TW. I swear to God some of the things you say will come up and make me laugh even when I'm not online. Still giggling like an idiot thinking about your exploding eye. People on the train must have thought I was crazy. Course it doesn't mean I'm not... Don't ever change, bro!

 

[Kurt]

As a continuation of the theme: I took a blunt needle sold for re-filling ink cartridges and a rubber-bulb glass dropper top, took the glass tube out of the rubber bulb and inserted the blunt needle instead.... fits perfectly!

Now that's a good idea, Angela! I like the syringe itself for making DIYs, as it is volume-graduated, but your idea could be great for easy adding to a cart in use, specifically I do not often actually "top-off" but rather inject from the bottom of the cart up additional juice through the straw in a straw-modded cart. Will definitely try this, as sometimes the syringe is a bit inconvenient for this use.

 

[TWISTED VICTOR]

None the less, since I do teach chemistry lab to very young and sometimes careless minds.

So that's what you do. Well, you do a pretty good job at teaching some of us not so young and sometimes careless minds, too. Missed you on the "Are we getting it" thread.

I will continue to be a strong and vocal advocate of discipline when working with high-nic juices, as I am professionally with far less dangerous materials. If we do not show a record for trying to teach responsible handling of potentially dangerous materials, then we have nothing to defend ourselves from the FDA's nanny attitudes .

Sick 'em, Tiger!! When reading Nanowhoever's post my eyebrows raised, but figured somebody was watching too many Twilight Zone episodes. Leave it up to you and DVap to spoil his fun . Good thing, though, as some may have taken him seriously and tried using Blip Labs' 75mg as mouthwash. All kidding aside, I'm a Hazmat technician and the first thing my eyes go to on an MSDS is the IDLH, LEL and UEL, in that order. Most often I wear a SCBA in a Level A suit. Sounds like I'm a pretty careful guy, huh? Wrong. I slop nic liquid all over . I'm very careful around the house, kids, the wife, the dog. I don't even call it "juice" for fear it might become appealing to the kids. But when alone.....I'm a pig . I'm sure you'd slap me if you could find me, but I'm not telling . As I read your posts the dark burden of guilt is breathing down my neck and i just needed to get that off my chest. .....ok, not feeling any better, yet. Carry on.

 

[Kurt]

So that's what you do. Well, you do a pretty good job at teaching some of us not so young and sometimes careless minds, too. Missed you on the "Are we getting it" thread.




Sick 'em, Tiger!! When reading Nanowhoever's post my eyebrows raised, but figured somebody was watching too many Twilight Zone episodes. Leave it up to you and DVap to spoil his fun . Good thing, though, as some may have taken him seriously and tried using Blip Labs' 75mg as mouthwash. All kidding aside, I'm a Hazmat technician and the first thing my eyes go to on an MSDS is the IDLH, LEL and UEL, in that order. Most often I wear a SCBA in a Level A suit. Sounds like I'm a pretty careful guy, huh? Wrong. I slop nic liquid all over . I'm very careful around the house, kids, the wife, the dog. I don't even call it "juice" for fear it might become appealing to the kids. But when alone.....I'm a pig . I'm sure you'd slap me if you could find me, but I'm not telling . As I read your posts the dark burden of guilt is breathing down my neck and i just needed to get that off my chest. .....ok, not feeling any better, yet. Carry on.

But TV, you are TRAINED in hazmats, so you have much experience in handing nasties. A "mess" for you doesn't necessarily mean dangerous. I am somewhat messy too, and no matter how hard you try not to, juice can get everywhere. Little sticky drops just show up. But I minimize the window of serious disaster by being very controlled as I'm either putting high-nic juice into storage in amber bottles, when there is bulk liquid exposed to possible spill, or if I am making a new flavored juice from it. But, yeah, once that is done and all that's left is filling carts, topping off, blowing out attys, or just general vaping, things can get messy...just not so dangerous. I think its important for people to know when they MUST be totally focused, namely when dealing with open bulk high-nic liquids where spillage is VERY unforgiving. Once everything is in safe, non-spill droppers or bottles, then one can relax a little. Trust me, my desk, where I work with my liquids most of the time, is rather cluttered. But not when I'm dealing with serious danger. Nor is my mind.

BTW, I do teach college chemistry, both lectures and labs, general, orgainc, and physical chemistry. My own research, however, is not wet chemistry. I do theoretical chemistry which is all computers and math. I actually do not enjoy being around nasty chemicals, and was never comfortable dealing with new compounds that no one knows anything about with respect to toxicities, not to mention the compounds that are known to be bad. Gotta say: vaping and programming really go together very well. Nic likes math, for sure!

 

[Sludge Van Diesel]

I constantly get 24mg on my hands & it hasn't done me any harjbdjsb'jmSZLGj.anm zgjfsda\gikjbvk/lfnjb/fxbn\v/bkl+mdfknrsdf\jfjfdv/xfjvjkgsghpEwoijgk[ewkjgEDj\\soihbvPofdjgi[skegjrsehj\/psrjg............................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................

 

[Kurt]

Hello, NanoVapor...you still with us? Still wondering about the details of your dangerous self-experiments!!

You there??.... Was really hoping you could tell us more about your toxins from hell you seem to have laying around...

OMG, maybe something BAD happened!! Maybe you pushed the experiments too far! MAYBE YOU'RE IN A COMA AND NEED HELP!!! 8-o

MAYBE YER DEAD!!

Mods, perhaps Mr. Nanovapor needs a PM to make sure all is well...and to get him on track again...away from here. Sure hope he's ok!

 

[just-cass]

I've learned alot from you kurt thanks for all the info...a new vaper but an old med chem student im itching to get a diy kit and start mixing....of course taking all precautions but i will definitely be back to find out more...

great info and threads...hope that experimental poster is okay?...

 

[TWISTED VICTOR]

I constantly get 24mg on my hands & it hasn't done me any harjbdjsb'jmSZLGj.anm zgjfsda\gikjbvk/lfnjb/fxbn\v/bkl+mdfknrsdf\jfjfdv/xfjvjkgsghpEwoijgk[ewkjgEDj\\soihbvPofdjgi[skegjrsehj\/psrjg............................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................

Yeh, same here, no problems at all. And I agree with harjbdjsb'jmSZLGj.anm zgjfsda\gikjbvk/lfnjb/fxbn\v/bkl+mdfknrsdf\jfjfdv/xfjvjkgsghpEwoijgk[ewkjgEDj\\soihbvPofdjgi[skegjrsehj\/psrjg. Most definitely. Although, I'm not too clear on the first part of your comment.

 

[just-cass]

Hi TV

Am new to these forums but every post of yours cracks me up...hope your having a good day : o)

just-cass.... thanks for making me laugh

 

[TWISTED VICTOR]

Hi TV

Am new to these forums but every post of yours cracks me up...hope your having a good day : o)

just-cass.... thanks for making me laugh

Hi, j-c. And welcome . Yes, it is a good day and I hope to eventually be a part of it . Ireland, huh? The home of my Great Grandpa. The Irish blood in me has run rampant over the years, but with age I've learned to subdue it. Hey, maybe we're related . Hmmm..maybe I've scared you . Either way, welcome, again .

 

[just-cass]

I have yet to learn the art of subduing my irishness....only heard yesterday that you dont call post, post!!!getting mail? never heard of it!!!

far from scared i am happy to have "relatives" abroad...sorry to be getting off topic for those interested in the effects of getting eliquid on yourself...


now...back to the serious issue?what happened to the coma inducing lethal dosage guinea pig who is yet to be seen or heard from?have they posted anywhere else recently?

 

[TWISTED VICTOR]

I have yet to learn the art of subduing my irishness....only heard yesterday that you dont call post, post!!!getting mail? never heard of it!!!

Yeh, well, I guess I had an Irish slip, but I say I was provoked...go to the following thread, posts #991, #992 and #993 and see what you think......or not, testosterone is beginning to subside, now .
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/nicotine/44958-so-we-getting-we-not-nicotine.html

far from scared i am happy to have "relatives" abroad...sorry to be getting off topic for those interested in the effects of getting eliquid on yourself...


now...back to the serious issue?what happened to the coma inducing lethal dosage guinea pig who is yet to be seen or heard from?have they posted anywhere else recently?

Well, if kurt can't coaxe him out, he probably has his head stuck in the sand.