How dangerous is stacking for 6v? prove it.
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If you absolutely must stack, and you don't have built-in protection circuitry, use IMR High drains. The voltage of the individual cells is going to be dictated by the chemistry and what is available in the size you need. IMO, stacking 3.7s is insane. All you be doing is using HR coils to tame down the blistering heat from 7.4V. But, you have little choice in the matter because you're going to need to use what you can find. I would also suggest investing in a "two cent" fuse.
Better yet, spend the extra money and just get a Kick. If you use 18650's and don't have the option of an extension, you can swap it for an 186500 and a Kick and get all the power you need, safely and with the adjustability you don't get with stacked batteries.
[EDIT] I just saw you have an SB. Don't be stupid. Get an extension and Kick it. It won't cost that much more than a couple pairs of good smaller batteries, it's safer, more convenient and adjustable, so you won't need to mess with different resistances. Altsmoke quit selling their 5V passthrough (which I have and love BTW) just for that very reason. There's no sense in stacking or using extra gizmos tor HV vaping anymore.
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Why does that thing in the background on the top left look like an incense holder/burner?
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This is why I ask, money isn't the issue... finding a kick is, lol. More than likely I'll just wait til I can get my hands on one, then buy the extension and IMR batteries for my SB. Just thought it would be nice to try 6V vaping until then and you have to remember its more difficult for us to find PV gear in Canada, It's not like I can just drive to a store and look around, everything has to be ordered online and then hope it gets here in less then a month, lol. Thats why I spend so much time reading threads and asking so many questions, so that I order what I need the first time. I would have ordered the kick kit from Nhaler weeks ago but they told me over the phone that they wouldn't ship it to me up here, so my wait continues...
Wow, that's pretty raw of Nhaler not to ship to Canada. It's not like Nigeria or Italy or something. It's not even expensive, although I've shipped stuff to Germany that's been delivered quicker than Canada. As for driving to a store, they're still few and far between in a lot of places in the U.S.. The ones that do exist are pretty lame where I live, and I live near a pretty big city. I envy people who live near a decent vape store.
Anyway, 6V fixed voltage vaping ain't all that. I used to stack batteries a couple years ago and almost never do it anymore. Or, if you just can't wait, a Vtube will get you close to 6V for a mere $35 at Apollo and shipping internationally is pretty reasonable. ($13.50 to Ireland). Otherwise, hold out for a Kick from Altsmoke. It'll be worth it. I'm pretty sure there are other vendors with them that'll ship North. Have you checked CloudsOfVapor.com?
Anyway, 6V fixed voltage vaping ain't all that. I used to stack batteries a couple years ago and almost never do it anymore. Or, if you just can't wait, a Vtube will get you close to 6V for a mere $35 at Apollo and shipping internationally is pretty reasonable. ($13.50 to Ireland). Otherwise, hold out for a Kick from Altsmoke. It'll be worth it. I'm pretty sure there are other vendors with them that'll ship North. Have you checked CloudsOfVapor.com?
And the last time I ordered from they also ship to Canada:
Super T Manufacturing, Innovative manufacturer of electronic cigarette products.
Super T Manufacturing, Innovative manufacturer of electronic cigarette products.
well they do have them in-stock but there check-out page looks a bit sketchy and they charge $18 shipping for every item ordered, so $36 to have a kick and 2 batteries shipped out, lol
Not sure about an incident in California?
In January this year a person in Colorado experienced an incident with a metal tube device which caused significant facial injuries. He was in ER for a couple of days, for the first of which he was unconscious under sedation and intubated (on breathing assistance) after an operation to remove metal and plastic shrapnel from the back of the throat. He was in hospital for a number of days, and returned / is returning for a series of operations including eye operations and procedures to repair the jaw by a plastic surgeon. He lost several teeth and received other injuries including burns. The above information was reported by an ECF member who knows the victim, and others. It is the subject of a civil suit.
In February there was an incident in Florida where a vaper received, we believe, a similar form of injury resulting in a stay in hospital. We have no further details.
As far as we are aware, neither of these two persons 'left hospital the next day' although we are only relying on reports. I believe it was the second incident (though I could be wrong, it may have been the first) where his wife reported that, "I heard a sound like a gun going off and heard him screaming. I ran into the room and saw his face was on fire".
We are reasonably sure that the first incident involved cells paired in series as this is what is reported in the court documents, but in the second case we don't know. However the reports we have of explosive incidents always involve metal tube devices, with no electronic controls, with stacked cells (approximately eight incidents to date although we think there are more unreported events). In two cases these appear to have been primary cells (ordinary, non-rechargeable batteries) that may have been charged by mistake and then immediately placed in the device, in series, and used.
Our current advice is that, statistically, only metal tube devices with two cells in series and no electronics are involved, so that, theoretically, other modes of use in those devices, or use of any other devices, is without significant risk. In other words, do not use paired cells unless certain other conditions exist, such as electronic controls or obviously present safety features such as very large gas vents to prevent an explosion*. A fuse of some kind also seems desirable.
* Small drilled holes for the purpose of gas venting have been found to be a useful warning guide to drop the device - but they are unlikely to prevent an explosion.
Please keep in mind that it it is likely that no one can guarantee what batteries they are actually using since battery counterfeiting is widespread and the label is meaningless. Also, there are no cheap good batteries, the two are mutually exclusive. It is better to play safe and use a device with substantial safety features, and buy the best batteries you can get, because lithium cells by their very nature cannot be described as safe; and if you rely on just your batteries being safe - that is a high-stakes bet.
Although some people discount these incidents as being 'rare' or even 'faked', we do not think this is a sensible attitude. The individual can do what they like, of course, as long as they know the risks. We would like to ensure that people know the risks.
Two people have received eye damage so far: one had foreign matter embedded in the eye, the other lost the sight in one eye temporarily as a result of the explosion even though he was (luckily) wearing glasses, but fortunately the sight returned shortly. It is thought the spectacles on one side were driven hard into that eye and this just caused loss of vision for a short time.
Please consider your options before you do something that statistically speaking has an elevated risk. There is a variety of equipment available that means that HV vaping now has alternative choices. Also, a machine shop can put gas vent slots in your tube for $10 or so. It costs exactly $6 per unit to have a production run machined up with three two-inch vent slots, so cost is not an issue. Neither is aesthetics or foreign matter ingress, since a model to IP65 waterproofing standards with hardly-visible alterations to the tube even though it has large gas vent slots is coming on the market soon.
Don't dismiss this issue as trivial unless you have spoken to the people it happened to; then you can decide.
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I think I'd email them directly. He's a small guy, but definitely an honest vendor. So I wouldn't worry about his "sketchy" check out page. There's no reason other than a less-than-adequate shopping cart page for it to cost $18/item to ship to Canada. I'd question that. I can ship a 4lb box via priority mail to Canada for about $13, so I'd suggest getting a proper shipping quote directly from the vendor.
I ordered anyways, but just the kick. Everytime my shopping cart total hit a certain amount the shipping went up too regardless of wieght so I just settled on the kick and I'll get my batteries from happyVapor. Thanks for the tip on super T, I'm sure it will arrive someday, lol
Like everything else in life, the only way to ensure your safety here is to learn as much as you can about what you are doing. My old man and his friends (always involved in dangerous activities) had a saying: "know what you are doing before you do it." That applies here.
I don't know many people who have had problems with stacked cells in mods, but I am experienced with lots of different types of batteries, have never over-charged or under-charged my pairs, and still have had a 14500 go into thermal runaway for seemingly no reason (it was in my hand when it happened, not in a device or charger).
Stacking cells of ANY kind brings another variable into the equation, which is that now the batteries will try to balance each other, and the internal resistance of each cell will be different. This problem is greatly exacerbated in Lithium-Ion cells, and will cause issues if you have not taken proper precautions. Several people here have given you excellent advice, and it is my advice that you take it - In particular, Rolygate's post is quite compelling. If you are looking for evidence yourself that these kinds of things happen, I suggest you search youtube a bit more closely.
Nope. There's little you'd want to do with stacked batteries you can't do with the Kick, and a whole lot more you can do with the Kick.
There is a 10 watt limit with the Kick and some people claim to vape at ridiculously high heat levels, like 14 watts or more.
But those people are aberrations, trash coils like there's no tomorrow, and I think at least some of them are just a lot of hot air (pun intended).
Machismo and all that.
I vaped rca123s for 6v in my Red Diamond Mod for a while but it wasn't very smart. Some mods are made have stacked batteries like the Akston Hughes models. Just don't be the guy who blows his teeth out so that I don't have to hear, "Did you hear about that guy who blew his teeth out with those things". Then I have to go into a long winded explanation about stacked batteries and protected vs. unprotected, etc.
Oh, and I'm concerned for your safety. Happy vaping!
Oh, and I'm concerned for your safety. Happy vaping!
I mainly like the idea of getting the same vape from start to finish and as little messing around as possible, thats why I picked a 18650 mod with a tank setup. I currently get 2-3 days out of a battery and atleast that from my 6ml tank but the weak vapes for the end of a battery bugs me, but honestly after reading this thread I won't be stacking batteries... I'll just wait, a friend of mine just ordered a lavatube so I can check 6v out too soon enough. Thanks for all the safety info guys! Vape On!
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