That's one thing I really miss about Upstate New York where I grew up, seeing the leaves change color in fall. The cactus here stay the same year round. 
How did they ever manage to romanticize smoking?? It's beyond me!!
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I also grew up in upstate NY (Oswego) and what I miss most is the fall. We don't get fall here in Vegas - summer and not so hot are our two seasons!
On the original topic, did you know that when they decided that women should smoke the marketing campaign was that cigarettes were a diet aid. The advertising guarenteed that you could lose weight if you smoked. I don't know what happened - I smoked for over 40 years and I am 50 pounds overwieght! Come to think of it, I have lost about 5 pounds since I started vaping!
On the original topic, did you know that when they decided that women should smoke the marketing campaign was that cigarettes were a diet aid. The advertising guarenteed that you could lose weight if you smoked. I don't know what happened - I smoked for over 40 years and I am 50 pounds overwieght! Come to think of it, I have lost about 5 pounds since I started vaping!
My sister has lost 15lbs or so in less than two months of vaping.. But that can't all be attributed to the vaping because she's also been eating some special yogurt that one lady I can't stand is always hawking on television commercials, though.. I believe it's mostly because vaping gives her a more steady level of nicotine throughout the day, and it's an appetite suppressant because of what it does to blood sugar levels.. But she looks just so vibrant and healthy and is eating better and I am so pleased.
Not smoking has made her complexion return to what it was when we were KIDS before we ever smoked!!! It is just amazing!! When someone gets that much healthier that quickly. It's like she shines at ya, now.
I didn't know that they marketed it as a dieting aide, but I did know that they used the bra burning thing to promote smoking. You know, because at first, women were looked down on for being un lady like if they smoked. They'd hide it. It was for undesirable low class females, according to society. So the tobacco companies ran a huge ad campaign that somehow made smoking this empowering liberating act for women. Marketing is amazing.. just remarkable power it has
Oh another thing I remember is that they actually had the balls to promote smoking saying you would have a smaller baby. Like WOW smoke while pregnant and you will have an easier time giving birth because we'll shrink your baby!! YAY!!
I'm going to see if I can find the video I saw about that .. It was good television!!
Oh holy hell .. here it is right HERE .. It took a nanosecond to find
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Got to love government and tobacco companies.. Womens liberation.. YAY NOW YOU CAN BE FORCED TO WORK EVEN THOUGH YOUR HUSBAND STILL HAS TO, DEAL WITH SPINELESS MEN WITH ZERO BACKBONE BECAUSE THEY THINK THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE THAT WAY, AND YOU EVEN GET TO SMOKE CIGARETTES AND AGE AT AN ACCELERATED RATE
Man you should hear my sister talk about womens liberation and what it did to women in America. And then you see the men who are just useless with their whining and yes dear and wahh wahhhh wahhh. We ended up with two kinds of men. Ones who beat women to death and men who are so gutless they can't properly make a woman feel like one. What a disaster. More marketing and government. We've been marketed and governmented to death.
Just to death!
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Got to love government and tobacco companies.. Womens liberation.. YAY NOW YOU CAN BE FORCED TO WORK EVEN THOUGH YOUR HUSBAND STILL HAS TO, DEAL WITH SPINELESS MEN WITH ZERO BACKBONE BECAUSE THEY THINK THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE THAT WAY, AND YOU EVEN GET TO SMOKE CIGARETTES AND AGE AT AN ACCELERATED RATE
Man you should hear my sister talk about womens liberation and what it did to women in America. And then you see the men who are just useless with their whining and yes dear and wahh wahhhh wahhh. We ended up with two kinds of men. Ones who beat women to death and men who are so gutless they can't properly make a woman feel like one. What a disaster. More marketing and government. We've been marketed and governmented to death.
Just to death!
Here we go.. YouTube - Philip Morris CEO Tells Pregnant Moms Smoking is Safe
You want to talk about smug.. "And some women would prefer having smaller babies".. Said with the most smug little grin I've ever witnessed.. Now that is smug!
You want to talk about smug.. "And some women would prefer having smaller babies".. Said with the most smug little grin I've ever witnessed.. Now that is smug!
And finally.. the wonderful exploitation of women by the tobacco companies through snake like marketing.. I've seen similar things done with many different groups of people... Before that one guy jumps all over me whining that I'm putting women down, I've seen similar done to all kinds of people. Certain racial issue makers who become wealthy taking advantage of their own kind come to mind, as an example.
The Torches of Freedom Campaign: Marketing, Feminism and Lucky Strike Cigarettes - Associated Content - associatedcontent.com
Thus it was that in 1928 George Washington Hill hired Eddie Bernays to expand his customer base for Lucky Strike cigarretes, particularly among women. Bernays hired a psychologist by the name of A.A. Brill, to find out what it was that drew women to smoking.
Brill informed Bernays that in his view, cigarettes for women were a form of liberation, a sign of the new, free woman. Cigarettes were seen as something for men, and were a phallic symbol, for women then smoking was a sign of new feminine power as they took on roles which had traditionally been for men elsewhere: the vote they had just achieved, taking on men's jobs, etc. From this Bernays crafted his idea for the "Torches of Freedom" campaign.
Torches of Freedom
March 31, 1929. It was a big day in New York City, the day of the Easter Parade. A woman by the name of Bertha Hunt and several other women stepped into a crowd of people all wearing their Sunday best and lit cigarettes, at that time not only completely socially unacceptable.
It just so happened that the press was there as Hunt and her friends were lighting up. Miss Hunt began explaining to the press how she had been told to extinguish her cigarette the other day, and how she had devised the idea of lighting up with her friends at the parade as a protest. The cigarettes were "torches of freedom," a new step in the march towards equality of the sexes.
News of the event spread like wildfire, and it was not long before women everywhere were lighting up in the street.
The event, of course, was not a spontaneous reaction to discrimination against women smokers in public, it was a carefully crafted piece of theater designed by Eddie Bernays to fulfill his promise to American Tobacco to increase sales of Lucky Strike cigarettes.
Bertha Hunt was Bernays's secretary. The press had been alerted to the event by Benays himself, although of course anonymously. The entire affair had been planned completely as a marketing campaign, but that did not make it any less impactful. It succeeded in breaking down the walls of women smoking in public, and of course made American Tobacco a lot of money.
The "Torches of Freedom" campaign is now one of the most famous episodes in the history of marketing and public relations. For many Bernays is considered the founder of the entire field of public relations, noted for his ability to take the pulse of the times and turn it into a public relations coup for whatever business he happened to be representing at the time.
The Torches of Freedom Campaign: Marketing, Feminism and Lucky Strike Cigarettes - Associated Content - associatedcontent.com
Thus it was that in 1928 George Washington Hill hired Eddie Bernays to expand his customer base for Lucky Strike cigarretes, particularly among women. Bernays hired a psychologist by the name of A.A. Brill, to find out what it was that drew women to smoking.
Brill informed Bernays that in his view, cigarettes for women were a form of liberation, a sign of the new, free woman. Cigarettes were seen as something for men, and were a phallic symbol, for women then smoking was a sign of new feminine power as they took on roles which had traditionally been for men elsewhere: the vote they had just achieved, taking on men's jobs, etc. From this Bernays crafted his idea for the "Torches of Freedom" campaign.
Torches of Freedom
March 31, 1929. It was a big day in New York City, the day of the Easter Parade. A woman by the name of Bertha Hunt and several other women stepped into a crowd of people all wearing their Sunday best and lit cigarettes, at that time not only completely socially unacceptable.
It just so happened that the press was there as Hunt and her friends were lighting up. Miss Hunt began explaining to the press how she had been told to extinguish her cigarette the other day, and how she had devised the idea of lighting up with her friends at the parade as a protest. The cigarettes were "torches of freedom," a new step in the march towards equality of the sexes.
News of the event spread like wildfire, and it was not long before women everywhere were lighting up in the street.
The event, of course, was not a spontaneous reaction to discrimination against women smokers in public, it was a carefully crafted piece of theater designed by Eddie Bernays to fulfill his promise to American Tobacco to increase sales of Lucky Strike cigarettes.
Bertha Hunt was Bernays's secretary. The press had been alerted to the event by Benays himself, although of course anonymously. The entire affair had been planned completely as a marketing campaign, but that did not make it any less impactful. It succeeded in breaking down the walls of women smoking in public, and of course made American Tobacco a lot of money.
The "Torches of Freedom" campaign is now one of the most famous episodes in the history of marketing and public relations. For many Bernays is considered the founder of the entire field of public relations, noted for his ability to take the pulse of the times and turn it into a public relations coup for whatever business he happened to be representing at the time.
Thank you
I feel so much better knowing that it is only a couple of people who are reading me as a smoker hatingwho looks down on people. Bet it's gorgeous, the scenery in PA right now.. Love to watch the seasons change in PA!!
OMG it is SOOOO beautiful here this time of year! I'm orig from Las Vegas, so I def love Autumn here. Could do without winter and skip right to Spring tho... and just for you a pic of what's going on here...
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have a good day
For the record, I do not know THE and therefore have no problem with THE.
However, I stand by it:
... is how that post reads to me.
have a good day
Fair enough, I suppose.
I'm not sure what a southpark looking guy with his eyes closed and thumbs up sign driving a car has to do with anything, but I appreciate you being a gentleman about whatever you're trying to say at me
OMG it is SOOOO beautiful here this time of year! I'm orig from Las Vegas, so I def love Autumn here. Could do without winter and skip right to Spring tho... and just for you a pic of what's going on here...
Thank you!!!
I was there last year when the weather was turning and it was just gorgeous.
To think, a year ago I was visiting the foxiest most accomplished adorable female in Philly .. watching the weather turn .. eating good food .. relaxing watching some television ... eating some more. . .. flying around the country... . And now I am back HERE!!! Makes me want to . . . .
Never been to vegas but around that same time I went out to LA for the first time.
Got to love the palm trees and the skies and the ocean
It was between 0F and 20F HERE and there I was walking around Newport Beach and Orange County .... LoL over here. Everyone here hated me!!!
Ah
I need to do some travelling
You're making me want to get on a plane out to NY to see Ms. Tanya, now!! ( I LOVE the east coast .. every time I'm there, I fit like a glove. The people make sense, don't think I'm from outer space when I talk, and they're serious. Oh and they're not SLOW )
I am so in the wrong state, right now
I'll ignore the distracting negative posts and obstructions to conversation, and simply state that the marketing and advertising engine of tobacco is probably the best there is. They are able to pull it off due, in large part, to the fact that the sense of smell is not included.
Hear me out: What if every printed tobacco add smelled strongly like stale cigs? What if we had smellivision? Whould they have been as successfull? Even after the warnings and health info came out, some 20% of the population still smokes. That's not ALL advertising (it's nicotine too) but heck, it's part of it.
As an ex-smoker I still crave a cig once in a while. Old movies etc. still remind me. Yet, when I smell it... yuck! You want to get rid of smoking in this country? Make cigs smell even more like skunk. Require it on all cig-paper, and in tobacco. Problem solved.
lol.
Hear me out: What if every printed tobacco add smelled strongly like stale cigs? What if we had smellivision? Whould they have been as successfull? Even after the warnings and health info came out, some 20% of the population still smokes. That's not ALL advertising (it's nicotine too) but heck, it's part of it.
As an ex-smoker I still crave a cig once in a while. Old movies etc. still remind me. Yet, when I smell it... yuck! You want to get rid of smoking in this country? Make cigs smell even more like skunk. Require it on all cig-paper, and in tobacco. Problem solved.
lol.
Attypops i think you onto something, but they will never outlaw it, the government makes way way way too much money on the taxes of cigs, if they outlaw it, means thats less money that finds its way into their corrupt pockets.
Well I'm not for the government having the power to outlaw it... but I definitely hate the way they promote it. The government has a nice little racket set up.. 1. Smoke and pay huge taxes 2. Find yourself unable to stop smoking 3. Buy nicotine products to help you get away from smoking which have 96% failure rate, from companies who pay huge huge amounts of money to the government 4. Repeat number one
I think that if cigarettes smelled like a skunk, many people would still smoke cigarettes .. They'd get use to that if they can get use to how bad it is, now.. I bet not as many would, though!!! Because skunks smell even worse.. HA!!
I think that if cigarettes smelled like a skunk, many people would still smoke cigarettes .. They'd get use to that if they can get use to how bad it is, now.. I bet not as many would, though!!! Because skunks smell even worse.. HA!!
Hypocritical addendum:
Don't skunk my e-juice tho!
EDIT: FYI - I'm not saying that the government should outlaw tobacco, or even skunk it up. I was commenting on how advertising and marketing was effective per the OP. I wasn't fond of the FSC crap either.
Don't skunk my e-juice tho!
EDIT: FYI - I'm not saying that the government should outlaw tobacco, or even skunk it up. I was commenting on how advertising and marketing was effective per the OP. I wasn't fond of the FSC crap either.
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I don't know any older white guys that smoke Newports. This commercial is a fake! lol
Hypocritical addendum:
Don't skunk my e-juice tho!
EDIT: FYI - I'm not saying that the government should outlaw tobacco, or even skunk it up. I was commenting on how advertising and marketing was effective per the OP. I wasn't fond of the FSC crap either.
Man, it sure is.
And that FSC was so QUIET many people who reacted badly to it had NO IDEA what was happening to them!!
Hypocritical, or effective? lol.
Reacted badly? Haven't really heard. Meh. I gave em up; 3.5 months and counting! Hope others are OK.
Ya gotta wonder tho (intended as humor):
1. Eliminate advertising, ban smoking in public places
2. Make cigs (usa cigs) the worst in the world (aka FSC, chemicals). Tax the hell out of em.
3. Invent vaping
4. Sudo-confiscate a portion of e-cigs
5. Get all anti-government types into vaping to "rebel" against taxes and health issues.
--- future ---
6. Change mind and come out in support of vaping over tobacco.
7. Get rest of USA to switch to vaping.
8. Ban tobacco. Or make it so expensive that it is rarely used.
9. Everyone that used to smoke, now vapes. Tobacco companies supply the nicotine. Have low production costs.
10. Studies show low harm from e-cigs after 20 years of study.
11. Vaping becomes more common. Over 50% of adults vape.
12. Girl jumps out of 3D HD-TV, offers guy some NP e-juice, runs back in when wife shows up, waves/winks/blows kiss.
13. Taxes go down, vaping allowed in public places.
14. 50 year study shows harm....
15. Many quit. Vaper % drops to 25 %
16. repeat at #1 with next alternative.
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