I have been at this for 5 weeks and things have changed drastically almost on a daily basis with new tanks and attys along with clearos being released. I already have 4 different set ups which I use all of them at different times. I love to vape more than smoke. What i was wondering is how much some of this stuff cost and what people went through when they started 3 years ago. These tanks had to leak like crazy and were the products a lot bigger. I remember my first cell phone was the size of a shoe box, it was huge! Were the vaping products that way also? Just curious about the industry, that is all.
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A lot of people like to try to save money, some like to experiment, some like to Ger-done or a combination of either. I've only been vaping a little over a month and I've seen alot of change in products since. However, what you will realize is that the biggest changes are mostly taking place in the products that come from china. Yes, I know, change is inevetable in all products. Mainly because of consumer demand, even in products that aren't made correctly the first time with the proper R and D. Those little Chineese companies feel the need to sell items that are really in the Alpha stage but really can you blame them, they are just trying to make a buck right?
The point to my story is if you buy top of the line products and services then it just dont matter because you will get the best vaping experience for a long time while the the people with inferior chineese products are complaining about why their crap dont work and how and or what else they can buy because now they feel like they need to upgrade or they aren't getting what they need from the product.
Also, there are a lot of people getting in to this industry because it is very small right now, they are trying to make a buck and they also bring their ideas to the table.
It's an exciting time for E-Cigs at the present.
The point to my story is if you buy top of the line products and services then it just dont matter because you will get the best vaping experience for a long time while the the people with inferior chineese products are complaining about why their crap dont work and how and or what else they can buy because now they feel like they need to upgrade or they aren't getting what they need from the product.
Also, there are a lot of people getting in to this industry because it is very small right now, they are trying to make a buck and they also bring their ideas to the table.
It's an exciting time for E-Cigs at the present.
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Things do change that's for sure. My only real complaint is the lack of quality control in the products we can buy. I've wasted more money on the various Stardust type clearos than any other item. Tried different types from different vendors and none of them were consistent at all. Been using the Kanger T2s for a few days and these are what the Stardusts should have been.
I wish all vendors would actually test the products they sell - it would save a lot of problems for the community. I wonder how many folks have just given up because things they paid good money for just don't work...
I wish all vendors would actually test the products they sell - it would save a lot of problems for the community. I wonder how many folks have just given up because things they paid good money for just don't work...
I recall when I ordered a starter kit like 3 years ago. I didn't know how to use it. There were no instructions and the thing wouldn't vape half the time and leaked like a sieve. I got fed up with it. I don't even recall the company now. I sent it back and got my refund. I was really bummed because I felt this item would be a good way to stop smoking. When I did a web search online I only ever came across Blu and the like. They looked like what I had already ordered which didn't work for me.
Fast forward to this past April when I happened upon a local vendor store that had just opened and the vaping world opened up for me. The equipment was so different from what I had ordered 3 years ago and most importantly- IT WORKED!
There was also someone there that was willing to answer my questions and he wasn't just trying to sell me some piece of junk, he really believed in his product. That was an ego type starter kit I got from him. I got that kit on May 26th. Within a week, after using the data from this forum I moved up to VV with the Vtube. Now I own a Provari. I started with the polyfill cartos and now use the Vivi Nova tank. Such a big difference from my first introduction!
Then I finally found this forum and I haven't looked back. I can see how people would get turned off in the beginning if they are not able to find a product that works correctly and is easy to use at first.
So, there is my experience.
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Fast forward to this past April when I happened upon a local vendor store that had just opened and the vaping world opened up for me. The equipment was so different from what I had ordered 3 years ago and most importantly- IT WORKED!
There was also someone there that was willing to answer my questions and he wasn't just trying to sell me some piece of junk, he really believed in his product. That was an ego type starter kit I got from him. I got that kit on May 26th. Within a week, after using the data from this forum I moved up to VV with the Vtube. Now I own a Provari. I started with the polyfill cartos and now use the Vivi Nova tank. Such a big difference from my first introduction!
Then I finally found this forum and I haven't looked back. I can see how people would get turned off in the beginning if they are not able to find a product that works correctly and is easy to use at first.
So, there is my experience.
-Jason
it is sad to see some people give up because of bad products but with some research you can find good products for a fair price, when you are on a tight budget like me top of the line is a long way's up but thanks to this forum and youtube reviewers i was able to find a set up that keeps me away from the stinkies yeah i want the best who dont but with my $35 set up i can save up for that device i want so thanks everybody...
When I started almost 2 years ago, I dont think there were tanks. If there were, they were not widely used. VV and good cartos were still new and not widely used. These changes you are seeing are new for almost all people.
2 years ago, my choices were 510 cig sized PV's and Ego style PV's and KR808 sized PV's
2 years ago, my choices were 510 cig sized PV's and Ego style PV's and KR808 sized PV's
I can feel the frustration some of you are going through as I was in your shoes not too long ago. I have a box with all the reminders of what could and did go wrong along the way. For some reason I just can't throw it all away as somewhere in the back of my mind I might be able to use it some day.... Its just a sad reminder of how much money I have wasted along the way and that is the cold hard facts. Yes, it is a learning process. An expensive one if you feel you need to try the latest greatest things. The only words of advise I could give anyone is be very patient and do extensive research.... I can't stress enough about the research....
There does come a point and time when it starts to pay off. Actually the day I quit analogs it started to pay off, but down the road it will pay off big time.... The last thing I wanted when I started was something that didn't look like an analog because that was my mind set and once I got past that, it started to work for me. Pretty much for 90% of my vaping experience it was with an eGo and every letter that followed, and it wasn't until I tried a Cisco spec LR306 1.5ohm atty and dripped that I had found what I was looking for to satisfy my needs!!!! If I had only known that was all it took, I would've jumped on it from the beginning. It was the thought of dripping this time that was holding me back. Once I got past that it was all uphill from there.
I started getting that feeling like I wanted something more and decided to move up to a bottom feeder, (tried all the tanks out there and just couldn't get past the muted flavor and all the leaking), but i'm on a tight budget like most and had to really research it extensively because of that. I settled on getting a Vmod XL from Vapage and now am set for a while on my journey. I thought it was the best feeder for the money out there with the least amount of risk if I didn't care for it.... Make sense? I now know there will always be a bottom feeder in my arsenal from now on. Now I can save a few bucks and step up to a better feeder when the time comes, but as I mentioned before, it is all about research..... No matter how superficial the post, you need to read it because there might be some info in there that will connect the dots somewhere along the line.
Bottom line is that today I have finally gotten my vaping budget in line with how I live today.... I spend on average of about $20 per month now as opposed to $80+ on analogs. Not to mention how my health has improved..... It is all about finding satisfaction in your vaping and knowing what works for "YOU" and not everyone else......
There does come a point and time when it starts to pay off. Actually the day I quit analogs it started to pay off, but down the road it will pay off big time.... The last thing I wanted when I started was something that didn't look like an analog because that was my mind set and once I got past that, it started to work for me. Pretty much for 90% of my vaping experience it was with an eGo and every letter that followed, and it wasn't until I tried a Cisco spec LR306 1.5ohm atty and dripped that I had found what I was looking for to satisfy my needs!!!! If I had only known that was all it took, I would've jumped on it from the beginning. It was the thought of dripping this time that was holding me back. Once I got past that it was all uphill from there.
I started getting that feeling like I wanted something more and decided to move up to a bottom feeder, (tried all the tanks out there and just couldn't get past the muted flavor and all the leaking), but i'm on a tight budget like most and had to really research it extensively because of that. I settled on getting a Vmod XL from Vapage and now am set for a while on my journey. I thought it was the best feeder for the money out there with the least amount of risk if I didn't care for it.... Make sense? I now know there will always be a bottom feeder in my arsenal from now on. Now I can save a few bucks and step up to a better feeder when the time comes, but as I mentioned before, it is all about research..... No matter how superficial the post, you need to read it because there might be some info in there that will connect the dots somewhere along the line.
Bottom line is that today I have finally gotten my vaping budget in line with how I live today.... I spend on average of about $20 per month now as opposed to $80+ on analogs. Not to mention how my health has improved..... It is all about finding satisfaction in your vaping and knowing what works for "YOU" and not everyone else......
A lot of people I know who see me using my eCig always go into how they didn't like the one they had. Well I always ask them, "Well what type of eCig did you have?". Ninety-Nine percent of the time they bought a Disposable and the Liquor store. "WELL DUH" I tell them, those aren't real eCigs in the first place. And I know of a few people who bought reduced Nicotine Disposables, like 12mg & 8mg eCigs. So they probably weren't getting enough nicotine for their habit in the first place.
I have a few boxes of Disposables showing up in a few days and have promised to give a few 24mg eCigs to come closer friends - ones that haven't even tried them yet. I told them that to give them a fighting chance that they should wait to use the eCig until first thing in the morning. That way their brains are screaming for the Nicotine and the Disposable 24mg should have at least a fighting chance to leave an impression
Oh God dude, you really don't WANT to know what it was like that long ago!
In the beginning there were only cartridges, stuffed with polyfill that didn't wick well enough to suit most of us.
So we all started trying to find the holy grail of materials that could be used to replace the polyfill in our cartridges.
This shall henceforth be referred to by me as the Great Cartridge Mods Era
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Dripping was a reaction to these same issues, and was invented by people tired of experimenting with different filler materials.
Also, towards the end of the "Cartridge Mods Era" the first fillerless modifications were being developed.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...supplier-forum/53487-zfm-zero-filler-mod.html
Today, most people here don't even know what a cartridge is, and they think I'm talking about a cartomizer.
There were no cartomizers back then.
In the Beginning
There were mini stick battery models like the 401, 901, and RN4081, and penstyle models like the 801 available, with no option other than cartridges
The First Revolution
Then a new mini stick battery model named the 510 came out, which had a much lower ohm atomizer than previous models.
It was generally considered to be far superior in vapor production to previous models.
This was when more and more newbies started being successful.
The Second Revolution
The first cartomizer models started coming out, with the KR808D-1 leading the charge.
Now even more newbies were having success, because now you could get decent hits AND not have to deal with cartridge mods.
This era shall henceforth be referred to as the The Cartomizer Wars
The Third Revolution
Sometime thereafter, the Ego was born, ushering in the Fat Batt Era.
Now even MORE newbies were having success because you could get decent charge life without needing some big-... mod.
This is really when critical mass became possible, and the electronic cigarette movement became unstoppable.
Now some other interesting developments and factors, which I shall try to place in their historical context...
Big Battery Mods
All during the Great Cartridge Mods Era there were mad scientists and craftsmen working behind the scenes to improve battery charge life.
These "modders" as they were called were creating custom built doodads that would hold bigger, non-proprietary batteries.
These models were (and still remain) somewhat of a niche market, although constantly growing in popularity for two reasons...
--As more and more newbies become experienced vapers, we have more and more vapers moving up in size
--The quality and innovation of these big battery models is constantly making them more and more desirable for the average vaper
Juice Feeding Systems
Juice feeding systems developed slowly over time as an outgrowth of the Great Cartridge Mods Era.
Top feeders and bottom feeders are here to stay, but many other innovative offerings came and mostly went.
Some, like the Vapemate and the newer Drip-On-Demand (DOD) still have a following.
Tank Systems
Tank systems are a relatively new development, having emerged from the Syringe Mod if I am not mistaken.
If that is not correct, I would love a bit more history from those with a better perspective.
Variable Voltage
Variable Voltage is also a relatively new development.
It's growth had been constrained by the fact that it was limited to bigger, more complicated battery models.
But now that the Twist has arrived on the scene, Variable Voltage is certain to take us into the future as the newest revolution.
In my opinion, the timespan that encompassed the Great Cartridge Mods Era was really the Glory Years of Vaping.
And they were by far the most frustrating years we shall ever see in all our days on earth.
NOTE: I welcome any corrections and/or additions to this history.
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Love your post DC2 I would add what I beleive is the most recent chapter of our development brought to us by our modders and still being refined, The Rebuildable Atomizer This newest product line means we no longer need to be reliant upon China for our juice delivery system of either atomizers or cartomizers.
I would add what I beleive is the most recent chapter of our development brought to us by our modders and still being refined, The Rebuildable Atomizer This newest product line means we no longer need to be reliant upon China for our juice delivery system of either atomizers or cartomizers.
Thank God for all the mad scientists and craftsmen (and women) the modders and all who keep pluggin' away each and everyday to make our vaping experiences more and more awesome. I'm so grateful for this forum! If I hadn't stumbled upon ECF, I'd still be standing by the automatic 510 battery that would surely be plugged into the wall right now, waiting for it to charge so i could have a measly 15-20 minute mediocre vaping session. My personal vaping experience has changed drastically (for the better)in just the 3 months that I've been vaping. One thing is for sure, without the pioneers who began this whole thing, I would have never been able to stop smoking cigarettes. I don't really mind the money I've spent on it, I kind of find the fiddling enjoyable for the most part, and I love trying out new things--keeps it interesting and fresh--smoking was never this much fun!
I remember the carts! they came with a kit and I tried using them for a few days and they were horrible. I ordered some cartos at the beginning but didn't know how to fill them. I still have those same cartos. I probably will never use them.
Once I realized the carts were going to cut it, I went straight to dripping and it worked great for the first 9 months.
then someone gave me a Boge LR carto and I watched a couple youtube videos to learn how to fill them and I never went back to dripping again.
All these newer style attys and cartos are great, but I truly believe the biggest achievement was the fat batts and LR cartos that really worked. Anyone starting out now has so much more to choose from than just 2 years ago.
Once I realized the carts were going to cut it, I went straight to dripping and it worked great for the first 9 months.
then someone gave me a Boge LR carto and I watched a couple youtube videos to learn how to fill them and I never went back to dripping again.
All these newer style attys and cartos are great, but I truly believe the biggest achievement was the fat batts and LR cartos that really worked. Anyone starting out now has so much more to choose from than just 2 years ago.
I won't begin to disagree, even though I never had a Fat Batt until the Twist, and even though I never liked Low (LR) resistance.
But Egos coupled with low resistance probably was the biggest surge of success we've seen yet.
Arguably a bigger jump towards success than 510 atomizers and KR808D-1 cartomizers.
Well they are plugging away but, they aren't doing it to make our vaping experience better in most cases. They're plugging away to make their own vaping experience better. Then they post in the modders forum about the cool thing they've come up with. It gets popular and pretty soon it starts showing up at vendors.
The DCT tank started as a syringe mod. The whole clearo/CE/vision/nova thing is a variation on a rebuildable atomizer the modders were fooling with. Lots of other things start that way.
Ha ha, this thread is making me feel old. Next thing you know, I'll be saying "back in my day we ordered stuff from aquarium supply stores to make our e-cigs work...now get off my lawn!"
It is amazing all the stages we've gone through though. When I first realized that my gas-station e-cig might work out I bought about 30 pre-filled cartridges. Luckily I found ECF before I ran out of those. I remember that the first thing I studied was all the cartridge filler mods. Luckily I decided to try cartos instead of blue foam. Then my ego made me happy for a while. I missed the whole tank thing though, because they were still all leaking when I got my bottom-feeder. My Reo has kept me satisfied since then. It doesn't seem like I've been vaping all that long, but there have been some vast improvements, now that I think about it.
It is amazing all the stages we've gone through though. When I first realized that my gas-station e-cig might work out I bought about 30 pre-filled cartridges. Luckily I found ECF before I ran out of those. I remember that the first thing I studied was all the cartridge filler mods. Luckily I decided to try cartos instead of blue foam. Then my ego made me happy for a while. I missed the whole tank thing though, because they were still all leaking when I got my bottom-feeder. My Reo has kept me satisfied since then. It doesn't seem like I've been vaping all that long, but there have been some vast improvements, now that I think about it.
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I feel really really old since I went through all of those stages, even the stuffing from the aquarium. Janty at the time had a "what I considered, one of the better e-cigs", then Trogg introduced the Screwdriver. We all jumped on that one, it had a battery and no short circuit from the e-liquid. From that point forward, 3 1/2 years, I dripped. I did move up from Troggs SD to a precise, but still a manual. Two weeks ago, I finally ordered a vivi nova, just to see what it could do and have been using that, and so far I am liking it.
My first e-cig was from "Crown 7" and they were awful. I think the e-cig has come a long way, in a very short time.
My first e-cig was from "Crown 7" and they were awful. I think the e-cig has come a long way, in a very short time.
Should be a stickie somewheres on da ECF. Excellent post!
If I recall correctly, the homemade syringe tank mod was in response to the 'high' prices for the 'new' commercial tanks. I could be wrong...
I did the blue foam and straw mod. I went cartos before I went looking for pyramid tea bags.
Wow.... I missed a LOT of stuff. I probably would have given up if I had to go through what a lot of you did.
THANK YOU to everyone that's been through the whole history of e-cigs for continuing to find better ways and giving me and the rest of the newbies products we have a fighting chance with.
THANK YOU to everyone that's been through the whole history of e-cigs for continuing to find better ways and giving me and the rest of the newbies products we have a fighting chance with.
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