the end of vapeing as we know it??

[The Ocelot]

yea-its kind of dumb that statement-- in n.z. it would have to like this... so lets say... some 7 year old went out paid 50bucks for a mod, then ordered some juice on line with various flavors and nic levels, then waited for the postie, 2-3 weeks rushed home coiled up her atty or filled the pro-tank up- to so they could try vapeing because they saw a celeb doing it--yea right!!!!!

I think one should have to be over 18 to get a credit card - that would stop the little critters from ordering vape supplies. And I think more stores should carry these again:

 

[Myk]

I think one should have to be over 18 to get a credit card - that would stop the little critters from ordering vape supplies. And I think more stores should carry these again:

I think any parent who allows their under 18 year old unsupervised access to a credit card and unsupervised access to the internet is the one who should be blamed.

I forgot about the cigars. That was a lot of gum for cheap. They'd probably cost as much as a real cigar now.

 

[The Ocelot]

I think any parent who allows their under 18 year old unsupervised access to a credit card and unsupervised access to the internet is the one who should be blamed.

I forgot about the cigars. That was a lot of gum for cheap. They'd probably cost as much as a real cigar now.

I liked the cigars better, the cigs were too sweet for me. They are still sold (I live sort of near a tourist attraction with a old-time candy store). I don't remember how much the cigars are, but the candy cigarettes are $5-$6 and there were only about 10 in a box.

 

[kristin]

Now i can get 6mg I'm fine though. Before anyone calls me an anomaly or wants to blame it on my BP, go to the zero nic sub-forum and you'll see plenty of others who say the same....

Seems to affect a lot of people in different ways.

I use 6 mg liquid, too. I started at 12 mg and reduced down one day. Not for any particular plan or how it was affecting me - I just ordered 6 mg once and realized I didn't need anything higher. I vaped just as frequently at 12 mg as I did with 6 mg. For me, it's definitely the hand/mouth thing and not a lot of nicotine. I ordered 0 mg a few weeks ago, just to see how I would do with that, and I didn't like it. It just didn't feel right. It was like vaping air. I don't like cinnamon or menthol, so I wouldn't want to use those just to have the "feeling." Taste is more important for me than throat hit. So, I stick with 6 mg.

I agree with DC2 - I've actually posted about it in the past. I don't get any lightheaded feelings from vaping and I only got that feeling with the first cigarette of the day anyhow, but I did NOT enjoy it. It was an uncomfortable feeling for me. So, I definitely didn't smoke for some "nicotine high" feeling and vaping is better for me because it DOESN'T make me lightheaded. So much for their theory kids want to vape for a "nicotine hit." If kids wanted that from vaping, the majority of them would be disappointed, I think. They'd just get an upset stomach from chasing that mythical "high."

 

[EddardinWinter]

Um I think so LOL.

Just had a HUGE scare with the youngest GC. Seems she thought she could swim now without the swim vest. *my heart is definitely working* She did the same thing last year. She now knows she really still needs that vest!!!!

I am certainly glad you were on top of it. Nice work. Glad we have a happy ending!

 

[mad maori]

more news stuff...
E-cigarette study hints at quit-aid potential

 

[EddardinWinter]

Busy, busy, busy today Mad Maori.

Thanks!

 

[patkin]

That's a seriously low level of nicotine in that study. Interesting another coming out in September. I wonder who's funding them.

 

[Sm0kyBlue]

I liked the cigars better, the cigs were too sweet for me. They are still sold (I live sort of near a tourist attraction with a old-time candy store). I don't remember how much the cigars are, but the candy cigarettes are $5-$6 and there were only about 10 in a box.

oh wow.. I think you are lucky!!

 

[Susiejo]

See, I have the exact opposite reaction, I need caffeine and nicotine to calm the hell down. I am kinda crazed and wired (but very poorly focused) without both. I but I have ADHD. It does not make me low, it just calms me a bit, and focuses me. I drink perhaps 40-50 oz of coffee every morning, 50-80 oz of tea every afternoon, and vape about 6-8ml of 18 mg juice a day.

With a few exceptions, nobody I know professionally has a clue that I am ADHD. Those are the only medications I take for it, and it is pretty severe without both.

I guess I'm really weird, caffeine hypes me up and nic calms me down.
I can't do much caffeine because I have problems with my kidneys. More than 2 cups a day and I'm curled up in bed in extreme pain.

 

[fabricator4]

Does anyone get a "hit" from nicotine?

I never got any "hit" from nicotine, although I did get a "hit" from something else in cigarettes.
I am pretty sure it was from the carbon monoxide though.

Whatever that "hit" was that I got from the first cigarette of the day, I don't get it using just nicotine.
I don't get any kind of "hit" whatsoever now that I am using an electronic cigarette.

It's not carbon monoxide - if there was enough toxic CO to make your head spin then severe headaches and other symptoms would soon follow.

Vaping does give you a "throat hit", and if you haven't had a vape in a while you get the relief hit when the nicotine in your bloodstream is raised suddenly, but I've noticed that the 'headspin' type hit is completely missing from vaping. It's the one thing that convinces me more than anything else that there is much more to tobacco addiction than just nicotine. A lady I know is an ex-smoker and vapes 0 nic once a day after work for stress relief. She got given some cartos containing nicotine through a mistake and never reported it giving her a 'hit'. I investigated it when I noticed she was getting rather irritable during the day and found she'd been given a high nicotine product.

 

[Robino1]

That cigarette buzz is lack of oxygen to the brain. Smoking constricts the blood vessels. I'm thinking that those who are very sensitive to nic might experience that constriction?

 

[EddardinWinter]

That cigarette buzz is lack of oxygen to the brain. Smoking constricts the blood vessels. I'm thinking that those who are very sensitive to nic might experience that constriction?

What have I told you about thinking, young lady?

(Taps foot with arms crossed, with a disapproving expression)

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[Robino1]

What have I told you about thinking, young lady?

(Taps foot with arms crossed, with a disapproving expression)

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Ummm

*going to my room without dinner once more*

OOOOH great diet!

 

[swoop_g]

I was a 1 pack a day Marlboro red smoker for 18 years and the first day I started vaping I must have went kinda crazy cause I def got a buzz. I haven't since but I also know that if I ever went two full days without a cig the very first one I smoked I would get the same buzz about half way through it and have to put it out. The buzz would last until I went to sleep but would be gone by the next morning. The buzz in question felt the same with cigs and ecigs so I would have to say it is the nic, not oxygen depletion. But like it has been stated, everyone reacts differently to nicotine, my experience is my own.

 

[EddardinWinter]

Ummm

*going to my room without dinner once more*

OOOOH great diet!

No diet for you Robin. You are perfect just the way you are. Well almost perfect, you could improve your look slightly by doing one thing with your wardrobe...

 

[DC2]

It's not carbon monoxide - if there was enough toxic CO to make your head spin then severe headaches and other symptoms would soon follow.

My understanding is that it is a reduction in oxygen going to the brain which is caused by the carbon monoxide.

 

[fabricator4]

I can't agree with the oxygen thing either I'm afraid. The first affect serious lack of oxygen has for me is darkened vision and reduced peripheral vision. Too *much* oxygen is more like a head spin, but not enough for me to try to do it 20 times per day.

Everybody is different of course, but for me the tobacco head spin is definitely a chemical thing and I only get it when I smoked tobacco for the first time, or the first time in a long while. Nicotine plays a part in this, but I think there's something else in cigarettes that is required also.

 

[kristin]

Well, one of the possible side effects (under both "severe" and "minor" side effects) listed for some NRT products is dizziness, so obviously nicotine has been reported to cause dizziness/light-headedness in at least some people. But that doesn't explain people who got dizzy/light-headed from that first cigarette of the day but don't get it from vaping. Logically, something other than the nicotine in cigarette smoke was causing it or the nicotine in e-cigarettes would have the same effect on them, as well?

 

[DC2]

I can't agree with the oxygen thing either I'm afraid. The first affect serious lack of oxygen has for me is darkened vision and reduced peripheral vision. Too *much* oxygen is more like a head spin, but not enough for me to try to do it 20 times per day.

It's not really a "serious" lack of oxygen...
Acute effects of cigarette ... [Eur J Appl Physiol Occup Physiol. 1983] - PubMed - NCBI

The acute effect of inhaling the smoke of three cigarettes was compared to the effect of inhalation of an amount of carbon monoxide (CO), giving the same CO-saturation of the arterial blood as smoking during rest and during maximal exercise on a Krogh cycle ergometer. Sixteen male subjects were tested in the morning (1) after about 8 h without smoking (control), (2) after inhalation of the smoke of three cigarettes (smoke), and (3) after CO-inhalation (CO). It was found that the average maximal rate of O2-uptake (VO2 max) decreased during both smoke and CO by about 7%. Endurance time at VO2 max decreased 20% during smoke but only 10% during CO. A significant decrease in maximal heart rate (HR), and an increase in HR at rest, was demonstrated only during smoke. The peak lactate concentration (HLa) following maximal exercise was significantly decreased after smoke. The results suggest that the decrease in VO2 max during smoke is due to the CO-saturation of the blood, and hence to a decrease in the oxygen capacity of the blood, while the decrease in endurance time during smoke is combined effect of the CO-saturation and an increased cost of breathing caused by the smoke particles. It is further suggested that nicotine, or possibly some other components of the smoke, have an enhancing effect on the heart at rest rest, while an inhibition is seen during maximal exercise.

Is all this enough to give someone a small "buzz" or lightheadedness?
I don't know, but like I said, it's what I've always been told.