How do vendors make THICK juice?

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mhertz

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Ehh... Max-vg as you state just means as high of a VG ratio as possible, usually 80/20 and up, as flavors often are PG-based and nic often too. In this specific circumstance, then obviously the concentration of pg-based flavors matters here, as me and Danny suggested, i.e. using an inawera or FA recipe instead of capella/flavor-west/TFA, generally... In all other circumstances i.e. "fixed" ratio mixes, then the flavor pg-concentration is irrelevant, as you yourself stated, and I where agreeing with you on here... 'We in agreement? ;)
 

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I buy my Nicotine in VG and I buy many VG Dominant flavorings that is why achieving an 80% VG e-Liquid is easy even if the Flavoring contains PG with the nicotine in VG not a big problem. But even though I have a Coconut cream here that is 90/10 VG/PG I might make it at 80/20 next time. I make almost all my DIY MAX or High VG.
 

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Oh bother, Max VG is a stupid and unquantifiable term. It means the max achievable given a certain set of ingredients. It can and should still be expressed as a ratio. "Max" is a bad way to look at it.

If one was to use Vg based Nic and Vg based flavors, a nearly 100% VG blend is achievable and it comes out of a dropper top just fine and vapes in a dripper just fine. I run straight VG out of a Nautilus when I want to blow big clouds.
 

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I am not sure how this thread got on % of vg. I think what the original post was meaning is for example if you get vg base from myfreedom it seems much thicker than ecigexpress. I too wonder why there is a difference when the company says they do not add water to it. You would think it would all be the same but I have got vg base form several different places and they are all different. I do notice that the thinner ones mix with the flavors faster as it only makes sense, but the thicker ones seem to make more clouds. I myself am not out to make huge clouds I prefer flavor. The thicker vg seems to take longer to steep proper as well which also makes sense.
 

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To make things simple: 100% VG indicates that the juice is made purely out of vegetable glycerin and/or distilled water with flavoring and nicotine (optional). Another way that you could view this is: 100% VG means that the juice (in theory) should be “PG free."Aug 26, 2015

Call me crazy, but 100% VG is vegetable glycerin. Period. Nothing else. No nicotine, no flavorings, no water, no alcohol. Just VG.

I agree with Capt.shay that "Max VG" is a confusing and misleading term that somehow caught on as a marketing ploy. Just tell me the darn ratio.
 
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I agree that max-vg as a term used for labeling is idiotic, but for personal usage and used as a term to strive for/goal(i.e. what's your prefered ratio?) I think it's perfectly fine and accurately described, i.e. no matter if your nic is PG or VG based and how much flavoring is used, then no extra PG added(actual PG, not counting flavors and/or nic), hence max-vg obtainable with your current ingredients.

The differences in unthinned VG is because of it's highly hygroscopic nature and from the start also about 0.5% is allowed in the USP I believe(normally ranging from 0.04 to 0.3'ish based on COAs i've seen), though from there, more can easily be leached from packaging/bottles/caps/headspace... The purity of USP VGs generally only deviates about 0.2%(glycerol content) from COAs i've seen...
 

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I am not sure how this thread got on % of vg. I think what the original post was meaning is for example if you get vg base from myfreedom it seems much thicker than ecigexpress. I too wonder why there is a difference when the company says they do not add water to it. You would think it would all be the same but I have got vg base form several different places and they are all different. I do notice that the thinner ones mix with the flavors faster as it only makes sense, but the thicker ones seem to make more clouds. I myself am not out to make huge clouds I prefer flavor. The thicker vg seems to take longer to steep proper as well which also makes sense.

That is also a very good point you make. "Why is some VG thicker then others" and the vendor says no water is added. It fits right into the OP's question. I've myself also noticed some brands are thicker then others.

Here is a quote from the OP's original post

"I swear these juices are more viscous than my pure VG base."

and the title says

"How do vendors make THICK juice?"
 
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