How do you define high end?

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Can you use it every day with no discernible loss of function or aesthetic ?
Is it accurate ?
Is it made of good quality materials ?
Is it durable ?
Does the form fit the function ?

Answer all Yes and it's high-end.

Through many years of vaping i can say that, in my opinion, the only 'high-end' device i have ever owned is a ProVari.
But i'm happy to settle for durable if the price is right...
 

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A high end mod is one that feels like the rest of your arm, you can't imagine putting it down. It's top quality; reliable; has noticeably bigger/better/faster/stronger/smoother form, fit and function than its competition; is beautifully designed for the intended purpose without a lot of extra bells and whistles and faux gold leaf; works first-time-every-time without a lot of finicky adjustments; lies somewhere between attractive to look at and stunningly beautiful; uses materials as close to perfect for the job (and which are chosen to to bolster other desirable characteristics when materials selection does not enhance function) as possible, regardless of what they are or what they cost; and, regardless of production method, is treated as an individual product by its maker.

That's a lot to take in, of course, and I don't really disagree with much of what I have seen posted here.

*A high end mod does not have to be expensive, but it usually is due to the nature of the manner it was made and/or the materials it was made from. High price does not define quality, but high quality often drives high price. Caring for any product as a one-off individual always costs more than high volume work,

*Reliability and suitability for the purpose are paramount. Nothing can be high end if you have to constantly fiddle with it to make it work. Neither has there ever been a high end fingernail clipper with a boat anchor welded to it.

*A high end mod stands head and shoulders above its competitors in terms of form, fit and function. Nothing is loose and rickety, there isn't any sloppy engraving or thread fitting, no loose burrs, buttons push smoothly and crisply, threads seem to want to run themselves up without help, not a lot of gaps for "tolerance," nothing is uneven or unsightly.

*Materials selection is part of the process: a box mod designed for minimum voltage loss-- all of them hoping to be high end should be, even ones intended for lower power use-- will use a C110 Copper or 92% Sterling Silver current path; intermittent contact parts will be plated with Rhodium; battery sleds will try to avoid springs in the current path. A mod doesn't have to be made of gold to be high end. In fact it shouldn't be, as gold is too soft to make a good mechanical casing and is not as good a conductor as silver. If you want it gold plated (Vape Trump?) that's your choice, but it should be made of something more useful. Stainless steel is an excellent choice for a tube mod, or a casing that holds side panels, and is not particularly expensive or "high end," but use 316 instead of 304. If you want indestructible, move up to titanium. Rough, tough, water-and-dust proof? Think vacuum formed ABS plastic. There's no reason you can't select materials for appearance or intrinsic value if you like-- gold, carbon fiber, Stabwood, Play-Doh, diamond studded lasagna noodles, whatever floats your boat-- but such things can't detract from form, fit or function and it still be high end.

*Construction method can vary. A artisan-made, hand crafted mod can be high end... or not, depending on the craftsman involved. But being made on CNC equipment, or by modern, high-volume production methods, doesn't mean a thing can't be high end. It's really about the care taken with each individual product. Nothing high end rolls off the end of the production line, falls into a box, and gets shipped without human intervention. But something rolling off the end of the production line and onto the bench of a master craftsman to be peaked and tweaked can be. I have, for example, a design for a wood cased tube mech in my mind that can only be produced in less than a year's time on CNC gear because it has a complex external topology; but if I ever get a CNC router to build it, it will be as high end as I can make it. It could be built solely by hand, but I'll never start because that's a lifetime project, and means a dozen or more false starts and scrapping partially completed work until you get a good one. Sometimes using modern production means can result in a better product, and when this is true such methods should be used. Custom luthiers, and custom shops in production companies, are now using CNC vertical machining centers to cut fretboards and tuning pegs and bridges for their instruments. This doesn't detract from the "hand made" aura of their product: a CNC/VMC can do a better and far more accurate job than any human hand can for those parts. The instrument is still assembled and tuned by hand, and that's where the tone comes from. I own some high-end gear from Smith & Wesson's Performance Shop, and high end it most certainly is. They start with a regular old production grade piece right off the assembly line, but it is then breathed on by a master gunsmith. The action is stoned, the piece is dehorned, cylinders honed to the pin and chamfered, etc.

So there's some thoughts on it. But the bottom line is pretty simple: I know high end when I see it :)
 

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This was probably one of the more interesting things I've read here on ECF. Almost as many opinions / definitions as posters: and the odd thing is- they are all correct- because that is what they believe / perceive.
("Beauty is in the eye of the beholder")
Thanks to all who voiced an opinion- I really enjoyed the friendly banter.
 

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For me high end is defined as something I'd buy again.
I consider my Falcon tanks high end but my Valaryan, though more luxurious and expensive I don't feel is high end.
I find my Legends high end though there are many out there that do more , including Bluetooth speaker, and are more costly to go with more blingy or colorful.

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Can you use it every day with no discernible loss of function or aesthetic ?
Is it accurate ?
Is it made of good quality materials ?
Is it durable ?
Does the form fit the function ?

Answer all Yes and it's high-end.

Through many years of vaping i can say that, in my opinion, the only 'high-end' device i have ever owned is a ProVari.
But i'm happy to settle for durable if the price is right...

Wow! Using that criteria my Oral B toothbrush is high end. :cool:

Woohoo! Thanks for that.
 

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"High end" is not really definable in simply the terms of a "high end mod" alone because a "mod" is not really a scale, it is a mod.

"High end" simply means at the upper end of the scale, above average or simply among the higher end of the scale. The reason why many are debating here is, many people have different values that they are basing their own scale on.

High end can be at the upper range of quality, upper range of durability, upper range of performance, upper range of craftsmanship or upper range of the price, and these qualities may or may not be mutually exclusive for any given mod. In that sense a high end mod is simply conjecture and opinion unless the actual scale is defined.

It is true that most people will automatically default to price as the defining scale, but there are also many who will use the scale of performance, quality or even value, so even though you all think you are talking about the same thing when even discussing high end mods, in reality you are not. It all depends on the scale you are judging it by, which is probably defined by the quality or qualities you value most, and that will differ from person to person.

A mod that excels in the scale of quality, performance, durability, craftsmanship and is also naturally reflected in a high price because of this attention to detail and amount of resources required to produce it will naturally be much more likely to be considered universally high end by most, so if I had to give one definition of "high end mod" I would have to say that it should be something that ticks the most of these boxes. The more boxes ticked the more universally accepted as high end it will be for most people, but if your own priority scale differs then all bets are off. One mans high end may be another's ridiculous waste, depending on your own values.

You define your own high end depending on the scale you value most...
 

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Too vague. What are the variables that supports the worthiness of the label "worth the price"?

Is a beautiful mech like the Otto Carter Tribal worthy of $1000 because of intensive hand labored engraving? Nice to look at, but how does its worthiness compare to an ordinary $30 mech to justify $1000? In the end, its just a metal tube with a piston-style fire button and machined 510 connector, just like you could find in a $30 model.

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Tribal mechanical mod

If the materials and workmanship support the price then it's worth it. Desn't mean everyone's going to buy it, because not everyone is willing to purchase it.
 

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To me artisan = high end for vaping

It's same with almost anything. The kitchen table I buy made by a craftsman is high end. The kitchen table I buy at Walmart with particle board machine cut pieces, and fasteners i'm using to put it together at home, is not.

Look at a Bentley or Ferrari. The seats are hand sewn and fitted for each car by a 'tailor'. My Hyundai has seat covers sewn by machine and assembled by a regular factory worker.

My high end tea is picked by hand and then dried over an open fire roaster by a dude with no teeth who's been doing it for 45 years. My not high end tea is harvested by machines and rolled into an oven by a conveyor belt.
The concept of putting tea in an oven is worrisome. Iirc it should be merely air dried. There are versions like lapsam souchang that are smoked, but they are teas for mixing not drinking straight. Also I think all tea is hand picked. They don’t have a machine for it
 

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If the materials and workmanship support the price then it's worth it. Desn't mean everyone's going to buy it, because not everyone is willing to purchase it.
As the saying goes a thing is worth what someone is willing to pay for it. There are people who apparently pay thousands for wood covered hand carved mech mods. You’d never catch me personally doing it but apparently it happens.
 

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For me 'high end' is marketing/sales speak, generally price point. Branding.
I dont always associate 'high end' products with high quality or reliability. I think its a misused term trying to allude to good quality in fad and fashion industries where what they mean is price point and brand
'High end' might be associated with exclusivity, status and rarity by some consumers and those perceived traits might make it worth the extra cost of entering the higher end of the market for those consumers.
For me, I have some high end items that were worth the purchase and the high quality of parts and craftsmanship have stood the test of time. I also had some that left me with terrible buyers remorse and a loss in resale. Unreliable, finicky and constantly at the warranty repairers.
I also have some cheap bunky stuff that 20yrs later still works fine and also bought lots of cheap bunky stuff Ive forgotten about that fell apart a week after purchasing.
Just reminded me of a wallet I bought at 25 and lasted 28 years. The next 2 fell apart in about a month.
 

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A high end mod is one that feels like the rest of your arm, you can't imagine putting it down. It's top quality; reliable; has noticeably bigger/better/faster/stronger/smoother form, fit and function than its competition; is beautifully designed for the intended purpose without a lot of extra bells and whistles and faux gold leaf; works first-time-every-time without a lot of finicky adjustments; lies somewhere between attractive to look at and stunningly beautiful; uses materials as close to perfect for the job (and which are chosen to to bolster other desirable characteristics when materials selection does not enhance function) as possible, regardless of what they are or what they cost; and, regardless of production method, is treated as an individual product by its maker.

That's a lot to take in, of course, and I don't really disagree with much of what I have seen posted here.

*A high end mod does not have to be expensive, but it usually is due to the nature of the manner it was made and/or the materials it was made from. High price does not define quality, but high quality often drives high price. Caring for any product as a one-off individual always costs more than high volume work,

*Reliability and suitability for the purpose are paramount. Nothing can be high end if you have to constantly fiddle with it to make it work. Neither has there ever been a high end fingernail clipper with a boat anchor welded to it.

*A high end mod stands head and shoulders above its competitors in terms of form, fit and function. Nothing is loose and rickety, there isn't any sloppy engraving or thread fitting, no loose burrs, buttons push smoothly and crisply, threads seem to want to run themselves up without help, not a lot of gaps for "tolerance," nothing is uneven or unsightly.

*Materials selection is part of the process: a box mod designed for minimum voltage loss-- all of them hoping to be high end should be, even ones intended for lower power use-- will use a C110 Copper or 92% Sterling Silver current path; intermittent contact parts will be plated with Rhodium; battery sleds will try to avoid springs in the current path. A mod doesn't have to be made of gold to be high end. In fact it shouldn't be, as gold is too soft to make a good mechanical casing and is not as good a conductor as silver. If you want it gold plated (Vape Trump?) that's your choice, but it should be made of something more useful. Stainless steel is an excellent choice for a tube mod, or a casing that holds side panels, and is not particularly expensive or "high end," but use 316 instead of 304. If you want indestructible, move up to titanium. Rough, tough, water-and-dust proof? Think vacuum formed ABS plastic. There's no reason you can't select materials for appearance or intrinsic value if you like-- gold, carbon fiber, Stabwood, Play-Doh, diamond studded lasagna noodles, whatever floats your boat-- but such things can't detract from form, fit or function and it still be high end.

*Construction method can vary. A artisan-made, hand crafted mod can be high end... or not, depending on the craftsman involved. But being made on CNC equipment, or by modern, high-volume production methods, doesn't mean a thing can't be high end. It's really about the care taken with each individual product. Nothing high end rolls off the end of the production line, falls into a box, and gets shipped without human intervention. But something rolling off the end of the production line and onto the bench of a master craftsman to be peaked and tweaked can be. I have, for example, a design for a wood cased tube mech in my mind that can only be produced in less than a year's time on CNC gear because it has a complex external topology; but if I ever get a CNC router to build it, it will be as high end as I can make it. It could be built solely by hand, but I'll never start because that's a lifetime project, and means a dozen or more false starts and scrapping partially completed work until you get a good one. Sometimes using modern production means can result in a better product, and when this is true such methods should be used. Custom luthiers, and custom shops in production companies, are now using CNC vertical machining centers to cut fretboards and tuning pegs and bridges for their instruments. This doesn't detract from the "hand made" aura of their product: a CNC/VMC can do a better and far more accurate job than any human hand can for those parts. The instrument is still assembled and tuned by hand, and that's where the tone comes from. I own some high-end gear from Smith & Wesson's Performance Shop, and high end it most certainly is. They start with a regular old production grade piece right off the assembly line, but it is then breathed on by a master gunsmith. The action is stoned, the piece is dehorned, cylinders honed to the pin and chamfered, etc.

So there's some thoughts on it. But the bottom line is pretty simple: I know high end when I see it :)
I agree! As a former CNC precision machinist, it takes skill to program, setup, and run a machine to hold high tolerances. (We would have tolerances of +/- .001 in) When you have perfectly made smooth threads, its just like heaven for me. And to me that's high end.
 

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My perception of "High End" is that it is just as suggestive as flavors in ejuice. One guy may call his Lost Vape mod high end, where the next guy may think only hand made, single run, custom wood boxes chewed from a tree stump by Ethiopian children would qualify. It is all about how you perceive it and who is perceiving it.

The one thing that stays true for all mods that are "High End" is that they are made well and are reliable. Other than that, the rest is up to the end user to determine for themself. At least that is how I see it.
 

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Oral B? Pffffft....do you even brush, bro? I'm rockin a Philips Sonicare. Waited 2.5 years on a list for it. Premium plastic and Egyptian nylon bristles.
Newb :blink:

Pffffft. The handle of my toothbrush is hand carved from an Ogre bone and the bristles are made from the gossamer feathers of a Pegasus unicorn. The toothpaste is made from ground mermaid scales with just a touch of fluoride. This is some really high end stuff (or is it artisan?). My teeth are radiant white and sparkle when I smile. :D
 

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My perception of "High End" is that it is just as suggestive as flavors in ejuice. One guy may call his Lost Vape mod high end, where the next guy may think only hand made, single run, custom wood boxes chewed from a tree stump by Ethiopian children would qualify. It is all about how you perceive it and who is perceiving it.

The one thing that stays true for all mods that are "High End" is that they are made well and are reliable. Other than that, the rest is up to the end user to determine for themself. At least that is how I see it.

I have a hard time agreeing with this. It certainly doesn’t work this way anywhere else.

I think there’s a clear difference between a yihi g class and a va Stabwood Knight. If those two things are in the same category then categories are meaningless

That being said it’s all good.
 
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A toothbrush may be high end, but is it used to its high end capacity?...as the analogy has been running.

According to the definitions above, my Radii are high end. The DIY juice that I use...meh.

:yawn:
My tastebuds give a thumbs up though. :)

Great hobby...;)

Oh now we can get into the really dangerous field of premium juice. $25 for 30 ml vs. another that's $12 for 100 ml. Sure, flavor is subjective, and one person's preference is as valid as another, but are the nicely designed labels really enough to justify the cost?
 

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I have a hard time agreeing with this. It certainly doesn’t work this way anywhere else.

I think there’s a clear difference between a yihi g class and a va Stabwood Knight. If those two things are in the same category then categories are meaningless

That being said it’s all good.

With, let's say cars, it is a lot more clear cut what is high end. The form of a car is clear and performance is measurable, and those are two major factors that sets it in its class (along with quality, but as history has showed us, that's not always the case in high end cars). With mods it is a little more grey. since one mod labeled "high end" can house a DNA chip, the same as a cheaper mod that isn't labeled high end, even though the performance is the same. So measurable performance isn't a clear cut determining factor, obvioulsy.

When performance is the same (or even very similar) and form is the only thing left to judge, then it's more like asking if an art piece is high end or not. And that is highly suggestive, and you are not going to have the masses agree. So that is going to be up to the buyer in the end.

So, as long as it is made of quality materials, works flawlessly, and does it's job in style, what else can you ask of it? Why can't it qualify as high end?

Does it really have to have exclusivity to be high end? I can buy a high end and mass produced computer, car, knife, gun, pen, or television...
 
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