How do you feel about this?

[Chanel]

In the topic 'Doubting Newbie' Momba posted this message.

I wonder how you all feel about this announcement.

I just started vaping. Today is my third day. I'm not off the analogs yet, but I have cut down considerably.
Then I saw this ...


Electronic Cigarettes Ineffective, Possibly Dangerous: WHO

So-called "electronic cigarettes" aren't an effective nicotine-replacement therapy and may be highly poisonous, warns the World Health Organization.

These devices are usually made of stainless steel and have a chamber for storing liquid nicotine in various concentrations. The devices produce a fine, heated mist that's absorbed into the lungs, United Press International reported.

"It's 100 percent false to affirm this is a therapy for smokers to quit," WHO anti-tobacco official Douglas Bettcher said. "There are a number of chemical additives in the product that could be very toxic."

The WHO is especially concerned because some manufacturers of electronic cigarettes use the WHO's name or logo on advertisements, package inserts and other promotional methods.

First developed in China in 2004, electronic cigarettes are now sold in several countries, including Brazil, Britain, Canada, Finland and Turkey, UPI reported.

 

[tomoiaga]

From the above, the only thing that worth discussing is:

"So-called "electronic cigarettes" aren't an effective nicotine-replacement therapy and may be highly poisonous, warns the World Health Organization."

All the others describe an ecig or tell that an ecig is not an NRT which is true for most but anyway.
The above text also tells that the ecig is not an effective NRT. Who cares ? I did not switched to ecig in order to quit forever by using that ecig.

"highly poisonous". Well, maybe if you drink a few bottles of juice. They wanted to tell that you can't control the amount of nic you get. Ok but I can also smoke 10 packs a day if I drink a lot, how is that good for controlling the nic ? Anyway, you won't get nic OD unless you really want to. And what about 0 nic carts ?

 

[Rosa]

the thing that bugs me about scare tactics like this is that they never say, "blah, blah, blah..compared with regular tobacco cigarettes." For me the choice is vaping or smoking: vaping is better for you. Period.

 

[curiousJan]

Electronic Cigarettes Ineffective, Possibly Dangerous: WHO

So-called "electronic cigarettes" aren't an effective nicotine-replacement therapy and may be highly poisonous, warns the World Health Organization.

The "aren't an effective ..." is most likely based upon a fatally-flawed study performed by Dr. T. Eisenberg last year. The flaws were in the inequalities in the comparisons ... i.e. subjects weren't allowed to familiarize themselves with the e-cig devices used but had to be daily-use smokers to qualify for participation. They were limited to 10 puffs of each device, and there were questions regarding the lower limits of detection in the nicotine testing used.

The "highly poisonous" comment is based upon misleading results released by the FDA, i.e. diethyline glycol in carts, when the contaminant was found at low levels and in only 1 of the 18 carts tested.

These devices are usually made of stainless steel and have a chamber for storing liquid nicotine in various concentrations. The devices produce a fine, heated mist that's absorbed into the lungs, United Press International reported.

"It's 100 percent false to affirm this is a therapy for smokers to quit," WHO anti-tobacco official Douglas Bettcher said. "There are a number of chemical additives in the product that could be very toxic."

Which are? I make my own niquid. I know what's in it. I also know about the thousands of additives that are contained in combustible cigarettes too. I choose to vape.

The WHO is especially concerned because some manufacturers of electronic cigarettes use the WHO's name or logo on advertisements, package inserts and other promotional methods.

In my honest opinion, there's the rub, right there. There was a company or 2 that were making those claims, and I don't blame the WHO for slapping them down.

First developed in China in 2004, electronic cigarettes are now sold in several countries, including Brazil, Britain, Canada, Finland and Turkey, UPI reported.

It's up to you to decide the level of risk that you are willing to take with respect to vaping, because the level of risk with combustibles is well documented.

Again, I choose to vape. The choice for you is yours to make. Keep reading, keep researching, and don't buy what anyone says regarding e-cigs at face value. Decide for yourself if the risk is worth the potential benefit.

Jan (* who's benefit is realized rather than potential -- I can breathe again, my allergies have significantly reduced severity, and my singing voice has returned at full-strength. *)

 

[Dawna]

Here is what I know. I haven't had a headache for 10 days. My feet are no longer an odd purplish color, and are now pink with circulation. When I wake up in the morning my lungs don't hurt. I am no longer spending 9 dollars a day to buy ciggs. I don't smell like an ashtray, and my house doesn't have a musty stale cigg odor. When I vape in my car, with the windows up, my eyes don't burn, my nose doesn't burn and I can still see out the windows.

There will be risks inhaling anything into your lungs. What about all the chemicals in air freshener that give me a headache and make me gag? I think it's a choice of what toxins you choose to expose yourself, your family and your friends to when you are around them.

 

[STiCaveman]

Saw the "Doubting" thread first, but I'll add my 2¢ here as well...

From the top of the report's page:

Health Highlights: Sept. 21, 2008

Considering the short amount of time ecigs have been available worldwide, that "report" was written before lab tests (i.e. FDA) were actually being conducted.

Fears & misconceptions of the unknown tend to help promote "sensationalism reporting".

Since we don't have the original transcripts of these 2008 "statements" being quoted, we have absolutely no idea what has been re-worded/paraphrased to suit the needs/opinion of the author.

-Caveman

 

[Chanel]

I tend to agree with all of you. Still, it's sad that a good thing get such bad publicity.
Non smokers and politicians have been on smokers cases for so long. Now that we want to make a change they slap that down too. Seems to me we're damned if we do and damned if we don't.
You would think that 'recovering smokers' would get a little encouragement.

 

[marclap]

I completely disagree with this!
I smoked my last analog 5 days ago, and I already fell wayyy better!
No more headache, more energy, etc.
Def. better than regular cigarettes!

 

[~Wendy]

"It's 100 percent false to affirm this is a therapy for smokers to quit,"

That's the part that immediately stuck out to me and I have to say that so far ecigs have made it possible for me to stay smoke-free for the last week when everything else was a miserable failure. I had been a very heavy smoker for 23 years. I was even up to 4 packs a day for some of that time (2 at the end). I have tried everything from eating tons of candy and gum, patches, wellbutrin (sp?), and even chantix. None of them hold a candle to the ecig.

 

[Chanel]

All very positive responses.
Personally I'm still smoking. I would say that I smoke and vape 50/50 on my third day.
Maybe it's because I don't have nicotine.
I have the tobacco flavor and I find it too light.
My next order will be the equivalent of Malboro red.
But maybe I should order the nicotine as well.
Are you using nic?
I used to smoke Macdonalds.

 

[mini_art]

Hmm let me think about this, stick a roll of something that is on fire and is well know to contain 4000 toxic carsonegenic substances in my mouth or use an egic with 1 or 2 "Possible" toxic substances. Uh thanks , I'll take my ecig.

 

[crashinbrn]

I tend to agree with all of you. Still, it's sad that a good thing get such bad publicity.
Non smokers and politicians have been on smokers cases for so long. Now that we want to make a change they slap that down too. Seems to me we're damned if we do and damned if we don't.
You would think that 'recovering smokers' would get a little encouragement.

thats because the gov is LOSING money from taxes on tobacco because people are changing to 'better' stuff. And just so happens that A majority of the supplies required come from china. that and change is always met with resistance.

ME?........i have successfully decreased my nic intake to 0mgs in 100 days. you cant tell me that PV's are not effective.

the best way to get the word out is one on one. one person at a time.
SPREAD THE GOOD WORD PEOPLE!! and keep on vaping

 

[Chanel]

ME?........i have successfully decreased my nic intake to 0mgs in 100 days. you cant tell me that PV's are not effective.

So you started off vaping with nicotine and then changed to no nic?

 

[Hammond Egger]

"It's 100 percent false to affirm this is a therapy for smokers to quit," WHO anti-tobacco official Douglas Bettcher said.

I don't know about the validity of that statement but I can make a statement that is 100 percent true and that is "Since starting to use an e-cig two months ago, the only time I've touched a pack of cigarettes was to throw them in the garbage".

Mr. Bettcher can kiss my ....

 

[crashinbrn]

So you started off vaping with nicotine and then changed to no nic?

yea, i started with 36mg i got to where i was in a good place as far as my 'next hit' was concerned. my next order i got 24mg. then i found tasty vapor. i would get 24mg and a doubler(0mg) to cut down to 12mg, but i topped off my carts with 0mg to kind of train myself. the 12mg/0mg-top-off i did for about 2 weeks. then i just vaped the doubler. it wasnt too hard, as i liked the vapor production from the 70% VG doubler. the vapor production was really the key for me. seeing all that vapor(omg its insane how much i get) IS really comforting to me.

i am NOT going to quit vaping anytime soon

 

[Rosa]

Chanel, considering you are vaping 0mg juice I'd say doing it 50/50 with smoking is an amazing start. I would never, never in a million years suggest that:
a) a smoker can quit using 0mg juice, if you smoked you are addicted to the nicotine and vaping can replace the nicotine without the harmful effects of smoking so go get that 18+mg juice before you give up on vaping altogether! and...
b) there is no evidence that the nicotine is any more harmful for you than caffeine, so why would you want to start with 0mg when you don't have to??

 

[tiraggi]

I agree totally. Where I live in New York, the government couldn't care less if people quit smoking. They tax the hell out of them ($9.00 a pack) to help close budget deficits. It's a cash cow or these clowns. I for one have given them enough over the years.

 

[tomoiaga]

All very positive responses.
Personally I'm still smoking. I would say that I smoke and vape 50/50 on my third day.
Maybe it's because I don't have nicotine.
I have the tobacco flavor and I find it too light.
My next order will be the equivalent of Malboro red.
But maybe I should order the nicotine as well.
Are you using nic?
I used to smoke Macdonalds.

You need nic man, it's hard to go from analogs to no nic. Try some nic, I even recommend 25mg and PG based also to have that good TH. 18mg should be ok too, depends on the ecig you use. After going digital ( vaping) then think about no nic, but until then... I see why you are doing 50/50.

 

[mistinthewoods]

Here's another interesting thing I've noticed since I quit smoking and started vaping candy and coffee flavored e-liquids, I've lost 10 pounds in the last 2 months and I wasn't even trying. I started vaping on Febuary 4th and haven't had a cigarette since (it's been effective for me) and the tasty e-juice seems to have kept me from snacking! I've quit before with FDA approved nicotine replacers and I've always GAINED weight and eventually gone back to smoking. I mix my own juice now so I know what's in it. I'm not at all concerned that I'm inhaling toxins. I know that nicotine is the only one and I'm taking in far less of that than I was when I was puffin' on tobacco.
My two cents

 

[Chanel]

so why would you want to start with 0mg when you don't have to??

Because I'm in Canada Rosa and my Canadian supplier doesn't carry nicotine. I have to order it from the States.
On recommendation of my supplier I tried the Tobacco flavor without nicotine to try it out, if it wasn't enough I could order nicotine later.
So now that I've tried it I know that I will need nicotine.
I think I will try the 18mg strength.
I'm also switching from Tobacco flavor to Malboro flavor.