how does everyone feel about e-cigarettes?

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djsvapour

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Welcome Alicia and thank you for posting the thread.

I am distressed... It was MEPs that voted to regulate the e-cigarette market last year in the EU parliament.

The TPD 2016 is their invention, because they allowed it to happen. When the UK "gold plates" the TPD and brings e-cigs, their user and their potential health benefits to a grinding stop, the dream will be over.

The only thing that can stop the whole dreadful process is either legal intervention or MEPs waking up and realising they made a mistake. Unless one of these things happens, the boat will have sailed. It will be too late to shut the stable door, as Shergar will have already bolted and joined Lord Lucan on planet hindsight.
 

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Absolutely brilliant post Roly icon_bravo.jpg
 

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I feel better having finally found an ecig that works for me, tried many times with the patch, the gum. The gum is nasty like chewing a peppercorn. I feel better my lungs are clearing up and I have more energy. I know one thing if I had continued to smoke my health would have continued its decline.

I will never go back and I am finding it easier with ecigs to reduce the level of nicotine over time, started at 24 mg and been halving it each month, I just started on 3 mg and the next for me is zero mg.
 

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I have been vaping for a couple of weeks now and I have almost cut my cigarette smoking off completely. My lungs feel much better already. If this allows me to stop smoking and just vape for my addiction, then I will be quite happy with that. If it turns out to be a way to cut it all out completely, then that is even better.

Smoking is terrible for our health and the governments give that a lot of lip service, but if you follow the money, you can see that this move by your government is all about the taxes.
 

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I feel the same, Mellowbuzz & djware

I'd tried everything else to at least cut down, but nothing worked for me.

I was even struggling to climb upstairs & when I did get to bed, I would wake up several times gasping for breath :( My smokers cough in the morning was so bad that it made me be sick :(

I'm still amazed at how quickly my lungs cleared soon after I started vaping> These days, Id easily be able to run upstairs, if it wasn't for my dodgy knee & hip - the joys of getting old :D
 

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Without e-cigs, I would be still smoking. Patches and Champix didn't work for me but e-cigs are fantastic. Right now I'm just worried about misleading or wrong information going to the legislators. Currently in Australia we cannot sell E-liquid nicotine and Western Australia has even taken a more backwards step by banning the sale of the equipment too. At least we can still import from the Eastern states and overseas.
 

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I smoked for 39 yrs, and I never ever thought I'd quit. E-cigs allowed me to do it, not just once, but twice, when I had a month-long "smoke-break" after my appendectomy in June. It still peeves me about that interruption; if not for that, I'd be smoke-free a year on Saturday. Oh well, c'est la vie. At least I was able to get *back* to smoke-free, and I never thought I could do it once, let alone twice. :thumb:

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I smoked 47 years 2 pad. Ecigs have made a believer of me. I spent years with bronchitis and many other ailments at least twice a year. Cost me a damn fortune over the years. I haven't had so much as a cold in the last three years. I'm not the only one... there are lots on here that have had the same results. You can think what you will and be unsure, I just wish I had found this many years ago.
 

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Hi guys, My name is Alicia,I work for an MEP, he wrote an article that has made todays papers, and in my own research I came across this page, I was wondering what you guys feel about my bosses view, I am a smoker btw, my parents vape, i personally tried it some years ago and didn't take to it, i do know that they have changed however, guess we'll see where i get with that, anyway, i'll paste the article below. thanks for reading :)

[COLOR=#333333[B]]I’ve never smoked a cigarette in my life.[/B] I just don’t trust myself not to enjoy it too much, and to become addicted.[/COLOR]

When I was a teenager, and my friends were trying cigarettes, I chose not to for that reason.

Normally I’d be the last person to write an article about smoking. But recently, I’ve noticed that many – if not most – of my friends who smoke have replaced their cigarettes with e-cigarettes.

Some have tried for years, and failed, to quit smoking altogether. So I’m happy to see them doing something which is much less unhealthy. And here in the North East, we have the highest rates of smoking in the country.

Now, after a couple in Staffordshire were barred from adopting because one of them had used an e-cigarette, we learn that North Tyneside and Durham councils have similar rules – flying in the face of advice from Public Health England and the Fostering Network, depriving children of loving families.

Over a million former smokers are now looking nervously towards our government, and especially to the European Union.

From proposals to make e-cigarettes into pharmaceutical products to the notion of adding punitive taxation like we do with traditional cigarettes, we need to think very carefully indeed before taking action.

If we discourage e-cigarettes through taxation, we will stop the move from traditional cigarettes to e-cigarettes.

Yet my experience in the European Parliament is that is exactly what MEPs across Europe are desperate to do. But then, the European Parliament itself is perfectly happy to have indoor smoking areas. It’s one rule for us MEPs, and another for the general public.

The medical science behind e-cigarettes is not yet fully settled. It seems to be generally agreed that e-cigarettes are not fully safe. It seems to be generally agreed that the health risks are much lower than those of regular cigarettes.

Professor Robert West and Doctor Jamie Brown of UCL have claimed in the British Journal of General Practice that for every million people who switch from traditional cigarettes to e-cigarettes, 6,000 lives will be saved every year.

When I pointed out on Twitter that I oppose EU plans to slap more taxes on e-cigarettes, I was directed to a study which finds that e-cigarette vapour damages the immune systems of mice. It speculated that the unexpected presence of free radicals might account for this.

But the same study also pointed out that, with cigarette smoke, the levels of free radicals are roughly 100 times as high.

Tobacco and tar aren’t generally present in e-cigarettes either; they contain fewer toxins and carcinogens overall.

In the absence of a definitive study, we have to accept that the risks associated with e-cigarettes are substantive but that they are much less bad than smoking traditional cigarettes.

Likewise, if there is a danger with passive inhalation of vapour from e-cigarettes then it is clearly of an order of magnitude much lower than that of second-hand cigarette smoke.

Nicotine is an addictive substance, there’s no doubt about it. The European Union claims to be concerned that e-cigarettes will become a gateway to traditional cigarettes, but this seems to be an overstated concern.

According to the Office of National Statistics, just 0.14% of those who use e-cigarettes have never smoked traditional cigarettes. If we forget about the millions who are now doing something much less unhealthy because of the 0.14% (and many of them might have tried traditional cigarettes anyway in that time if e-cigarettes weren’t available), it’s not bad science but bad policy making.

The nature of those health risks, in any case, will vary somewhat from one e-cigarette to another. I have no objection to the right regulation: to inform about the health risks, to avoid glamourising e-cigarettes to teenagers, to minimise those health risks, and to have reasonable common standards to provide consumer confidence.

My interest here is nothing to do with cigarettes or e-cigarettes. It’s not because, as a non-smoker, it’s much more comfortable to stand next to someone with an e-cigarette than someone with a traditional cigarette.

It’s to do with saving lives. And where legislation is proposed that would stop people moving from cigarettes to e-cigarettes, there is a serious danger that tens of thousands of lives would be lost as a result.

As I understood it, you are a smoker (bolded text above). Then you said you weren't a smoker (bolded text above). ? Which is it? Are you or are you not a smoker?
 
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As I understand it, she's quoting an article written by her boss, an MEP (a rep who sits in the EU parliament at Brussels) from NE England.

The first para is her intro, then it goes straight into the article.

Hmm, maybe I can edit it so that's a bit clearer...

[OK done]

I am so sorry for the confusion, Rolygate. I should shut up until I'm certain of the content. Thank you for the clarification.
 

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As I understood it, you are a smoker (bolded text above). Then you said you weren't a smoker (bolded text above). ? Which is it? Are you or are you not a smoker?

I think that she is saying that she is a smoker, then she says "anyway, i'll paste the article below. thanks for reading" and from there on is quoting the article written by her boss. So each statement applies to a different person.
 

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The EU political situation is probably a bit weird to outsiders. It's weird enough to those who live there...

Here's a short description :)

It all started out as the Common Market. That was free trade area where European countries had no taxes on goods imported from neighbouring countries. Everybody agreed that was a very good idea, and it worked well.

Then they thought, "OK, that worked out well, let's go a step further". This led to certain agreements about marine borders for fisheries, common agricultural policies, and so forth.

Then they figured "Let's go the whole way (but we won't tell anyone what we have planned)". It morphed into the EU or European Union, which at first was just a talking shop. But somewhere in the bowels of Belgium were people who had grander plans. The thing is, Europe has been in a more or less permanent state of war for the last thousand years, so after it seemed to work out with the trade agreements, and there were communication channels for discussing these issues - some nascent federalists began to dream of a Federal State of Europe.

Apparently no one objected enough because it began to act like a whirlpool - everyone got pulled in whether they wanted to or not. Certainly, the British politicians lied prodigiously about the real plans, as they were well aware that Brits like going on vacation to Greece but getting in bed with the Greeks was a different story. So like Corryvreckan, the whirlpool pulled everyone inward and nobody could escape. You can hear the roar from a long way off, but it just sucks you in...

And then one day people woke up to find they had an EU that made their laws, and no EU laws could be altered by the people, and the laws were made for giant transnational industries and smaller businesses were crushed by the rules, and they had thousands of bureaucrats in Brussels and Strasbourg making new rules all the time, and the European parliament could only decide on laws and regulations that were of no importance to anyone, and the real laws were made in secret committees, and the corruption was so bad that everything cost double as the bribes had to be paid first, and the EU Commissioners bought their job as it was worth tens of millions, and it became the world's most successful corruptocracy, and a Commissioner would aim to make $100 million before retiring, and the main thing traded and sold and bartered became the votes, and public health was sold off to the pharmaceutical industry, and joe public realised his role was to work hard, pay enormous prices for everything, then get sick and pay for the pharma drugs, and then die 2 weeks after retirement so that his pension did not have to be paid. And everyone in Brussels had a picture of uncle joe Stalin on the wall as he was their role model, and they prayed to the Kremlin for inspiration whenever a problem came up, and they realised that Europe was now just an outpost of Moscow and everyone was happy except for the public as they had been sold to the highest bidder.

And there were a couple of countries like Switzerland, Norway and Iceland who thought, "We don't want to go to Greece anyway as it's way too hot", and they had their own micro-EU trade group, and they traded freely with themselves and with the EU, and so they had free trade in the EU and none of the murderous corruption and open borders and disastrous monetary union and the mickey mouse Euro and the free movement of terrorists within the rest of Europe and the wine lakes and potato mountains of idiotic central planning done by blind cret_ins with an IQ of 43, and generally had a very good laugh at the rest of the idjits now tied up in a monster experiment with neo-communism and the huge and corrupt bureaucracy that inevitably accompanies it but that apparently no one had foreseen as they were too busy kissing the feet of uncle Joe's statue.

And the poor, imprisoned people of Britain looked longingly at the EFTA group of Norway etc and wondered how they had been so royally shafted. And the PM spoke kindly to them and reminded them their place in life was to pay taxes and die young (but that bit was cut out of the speech as it probably wouldn't have gone down too well), and as he sank another glass of Hermitage Grand Cru and puffed on his second Montecristo of the night, Dave silently pondered his old friend Tony Blair who had taught him so much about neo-Stalinism and how it was the answer to everything: iron control of the production sources and the revenues by the clever new method of federal control, which meant nobody could even argue the toss any more, and have the tobacco/pharma/public health mafia kill anyone who gets in the way.

It was just wonderful, and he gave Tony a final toast: La vie en rose, baby!
 
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