HOW has the Provari not been cloned?

[p.opus]

Just for the record, I'm a VV user but I like VW available as an option. The single addition that provari could offer that would immediately sell me would be a built-in pass through feature. I'd probably pass out if they added on board charging....And they can keep the current display but Me personally, I don't want to see the sides of the chip when viewed at an angle. Lastly I hope they improve the single button design...Having to press the button 16 times to turn the led on or off? or 13 times to check an attys Ohms? Seems excessive to me but I'm sure its not to the hardcore..

I thought the same thing. I looked inside the ProVari at the convention and said really? I can see everything in there. $180.00 and you guys are cheaping and can't even put some sort of backing in the battery tube to hide all that stuff.

Then it hit me.

These things were designed to work after being dunked. Until 2012, ProVape actually encouraged users to immerse (IMMERSE) the product in alcohol should it get dunked to dry it out. After 2012, they stopped suggesting that as it could cause some issues on newer devices.

The design of the product is intentional so that no liquid gets trapped and fogs stuff up or shorts out components. This thing is designed to take a bath....and recover.

If they used an OLED display, it would not survive,
If they added on board charging, it would most likely not survive.

I hate the fact that my USB ports are open on the MVP. I've seen other peoples MVP's hit an early grave because they set their unit down on a puddle on the table.

The point is, the number one design philosophy behind the ProVari is to keep it from being sent in. That's why they offer an additional year of warranty service, it's free money.

If they can add variable wattage and still maintain it's survivibility, then they will, if they can't they won't implement it.

I think if they more openly conveyed that idea, then more people would understand.

With a ProVari, it's not about what it can't do, but more about that it can do what it does and do it indefinitely.

I challenge anyone who can say that there is any regulated mod that is more survivable than a ProVari.

 

[Robino1]

I thought the same thing. I looked inside the ProVari at the convention and said really? I can see everything in there. $180.00 and you guys are cheaping and can't even put some sort of backing in the battery tube to hide all that stuff.

Then it hit me.

These things were designed to work after being dunked. Until 2012, ProVape actually encouraged users to immerse (IMMERSE) the product in alcohol should it get dunked to dry it out. After 2012, they stopped suggesting that as it could cause some issues on newer devices.

The design of the product is intentional so that no liquid gets trapped and fogs stuff up or shorts out components. This thing is designed to take a bath....and recover.

If they used an OLED display, it would not survive,
If they added on board charging, it would most likely not survive.

I hate the fact that my USB ports are open on the MVP. I've seen other peoples MVP's hit an early grave because they set their unit down on a puddle on the table.

The point is, the number one design philosophy behind the ProVari is to keep it from being sent in. That's why they offer an additional year of warranty service, it's free money.

If they can add variable wattage and still maintain it's survivibility, then they will, if they can't they won't implement it.

I think if they more openly conveyed that idea, then more people would understand.

With a ProVari, it's not about what it can't do, but more about that it can do what it does and do it indefinitely.

I challenge anyone who can say that there is any regulated mod that is more survivable than a ProVari.

Hell, the darn thing even survives me

 

[EddardinWinter]

Hell, the darn thing even survives me

NO accomplishment more impressive than surviving "Hurricane Robin"!

 

[patkin]

Does the Provari command such great respect even the Chinese refuse to make an exact copy? Kind of a looking into the sun type of thing?

In all seriousness I do find it very surprising we haven't seen a 1:1 Provari copy out there, anyone agree?

Yes, I agree it is surprising but am a bit confused as to why because I watched a TV show about the Chinese culture that got pretty heavily into the copyright thing and how one must understand the culture to understand it and why there are no copyright laws in China. The consensus of many experts on the show was that, to the Chinese, copying is the highest form of respect/admiration and, therefore, is a compliment and actually makes the original more desirable. They said that copies are a form of free advertising for the original and it would, therefore, be ridiculous to bring a legal action. So, with that in mind, it would follow that they don't find the Provari worthy of copying.(?)

K... now those are NOT fighting words... just logic.

And, along with this, its the reason Joyetech, for instance, has it in right in their contracts. Ovale, for instance, has to contractually agree to allow Joye to clone (rebrand) their products like the Eroll and Ego.

 

[PLANofMAN]

Yes, I agree it is surprising but am a bit confused as to why because I watched a TV show about the Chinese culture that got pretty heavily into the copyright thing and how one must understand the culture to understand it and why there are no copyright laws in China. The consensus of many experts on the show was that, to the Chinese, copying is the highest form of respect/admiration and, therefore, is a compliment and actually makes the original more desirable. They said that copies are a form of free advertising for the original and it would, therefore, be ridiculous to bring a legal action. So, with that in mind, it would follow that they don't find the Provari worthy of copying.(?)

K... now those are NOT fighting words... just logic.

And, along with this, its the reason Joyetech, for instance, has it in right in their contracts. Ovale, for instance, has to contractually agree to allow Joye to clone (rebrand) their products like the Eroll and Ego.

Logic would seem to imply that China has no interest in cloning the ProVari because they make much more money off of other mods.

Thier DNA clone is what? $120.00? If they cloned a ProVari, they would have to charge at least that much, and what would you buy? a $120 ProVari clone, 1-1 in every way, or would you spend $30 more dollars to buy the original, knowing you can have it upgraded and serviced though it's lifetime?

 

[DavidAmonettNashville]

These things were designed to work after being dunked. Until 2012, ProVape actually encouraged users to immerse (IMMERSE) the product in alcohol should it get dunked to dry it out. After 2012, they stopped suggesting that as it could cause some issues on newer devices.

The design of the product is intentional so that no liquid gets trapped and fogs stuff up or shorts out components. This thing is designed to take a bath....and recover.
.

Then Do It ...You dunked an inferior chinese device that wasn't even rated as "Submergible" and dried it out and said it still worked(it may have since died)...If you really believe, after a week of ownership, That survivability is their design mantra then do the same toilet dunk test you did before??? Show us the pics of the provari underwater like before and then dry it out and show it working...You cant test everything else before vouching for its durability and then give the provari a Full pass with out any firsthand testing? Or can you?...I'll be watching for the update

 

[is250sp]

Perhaps it hasn't been cloned because scientist has not been able to extract the DNA from the Provari...or they haven't found a sheep to participate.

 

[zapped]

Then Do It ...You dunked an inferior chinese device that wasn't even rated as "Submergible" and dried it out and said it still worked(it may have since died)...If you really believe, after a week of ownership, That survivability is their design mantra then do the same toilet dunk test you did before??? Show us the pics of the provari underwater like before and then dry it out and show it working...You cant test everything else before vouching for its durability and then give the provari a Full pass with out any firsthand testing? Or can you?...I'll be watching for the update

As an aside from this I can tell you that my Provari has survived a 50mph side impact collision between two trucks. It went flying out the window and landed 50 yards away with barely a scratch on it. The first thing I did after checking to see if my wife was alright was to go pick it up, I had noted the direction it went flying as well as other aspects of the crash as if in slow motion.

I said a prayer before firing it and thankfully both it and my Phiniac tank survived and worked flawlessly as I badly needed it. If it hadnt worked I would have asked someone for a cigarette for sure while were waiting for the police.

No one was hurt and I didnt get a ticket, the other driver was at fault and was texting at the time and rolled right through his stop sign.

 

[ScottP]

No one was hurt and I didnt get a ticket, the other driver was at fault and was texting at the time and rolled right through his stop sign.

If I were you, the other driver WOULD have been hurt and I would have gone to jail for beating that idiot within an inch of his life with a tire tool.

 

[p.opus]

Then Do It ...You dunked an inferior chinese device that wasn't even rated as "Submergible" and dried it out and said it still worked(it may have since died)...If you really believe, after a week of ownership, That survivability is their design mantra then do the same toilet dunk test you did before??? Show us the pics of the provari underwater like before and then dry it out and show it working...You cant test everything else before vouching for its durability and then give the provari a Full pass with out any firsthand testing? Or can you?...I'll be watching for the update

Well...then...the gauntlet has been thrown.

But it appears I am the one being asked to take the risk. I believe they were designed to survive a dunking, but they clearly are not built to be waterproof.

The LVT did have a waterproof rating, weak as it is, and had "covers" that were supposed to protect the inside of the product. To be fair, I did not expect the LVT to fail. I had seen someone put it in a bowl of water and vape it, not only that, I saw it go through a car wash. So even though I was taking a risk I figured it was going to work. I was absolutely devastated when I saw air bubbles coming from it. However, for the purposes of the review I really couldn't fault the device because it was not "rated" as being sumergible. But I don't routinely throw stuff down the crapper with the expectation of failure. It was a risk I decided to take and I lost. Take it in stride, and make light of it, but inside it really pisses me off. One because I was so stupid, and two because I did feel that the unit was a little misleading in the marketing.

Now you want me to throw a mod that's twice as expensive with visible holes in the water as well. To make a point? Uhhh...No.

I wouldn't even do that with an MVP2 which is half the cost of the E-LVT.

I'm sorry, but I'm not pulling that stunt unless I have assurances from someone that they will pay for the repairs or replacement if it fails.

In the meantime, I'll let Mason from Calgary speak for me (from ProVape reviews website)....

Cannot find better! January 21, 2014
Reviewer: Mason Aiello from Calgary, AB Canada
Accidentally dropped my provari in the toilet the other day. Washed it inside and out with soap (thought it was done for sure) and took a blow dryer to it immediately after. Worked like new within 3 hours and tested the voltage output bang on whatever I set it at. This unit must have been designed by NASA!

Was this review helpful to you?

 

[PLANofMAN]

Then Do It ...You dunked an inferior chinese device that wasn't even rated as "Submergible" and dried it out and said it still worked(it may have since died)...If you really believe, after a week of ownership, That survivability is their design mantra then do the same toilet dunk test you did before??? Show us the pics of the provari underwater like before and then dry it out and show it working...You cant test everything else before vouching for its durability and then give the provari a Full pass with out any firsthand testing? Or can you?...I'll be watching for the update

I don't think that's necessary, I've filled mine with rubbing alcohol (Version 1) and shook it out...let it dry overnight and it's worked fine...on multiple occasions. I've also read stories of people dropping their ProVari into a full cup of coffee, and into a swimming pool. Both worked afterwards.

Edit: The issue, (if you can call it that) is the glue they use to hold the circuit boards in place isn't as resistant to rubbing alcohol as whatever formula they were using before. Most likely, the stuff they were using was a DuPont glue that has been discontinued and they had to find an alternative.

 

[Myrany]

I am miffed!

Now that my provari is on it's way to me NO ONE has responded to me as to how to join the Provarinati or where to get our super secret graphics.

harrrrumph!

 

[Gato del Jugo]

I am miffed!

Now that my provari is on it's way to me NO ONE has responded to me as to how to join the Provarinati or where to get our super secret graphics.

harrrrumph!

You will know instantly the moment you hold it in your hand & take the 1st vape...

 

[Gato del Jugo]

I've also read stories of people dropping their ProVari into a full cup of coffee, and into a swimming pool. Both worked afterwards.

I believe there's also one that went through a full cycle of their washing machine...

 

[p.opus]

Edit: The issue, (if you can call it that) is the glue they use to hold the circuit boards in place isn't as resistant to rubbing alcohol as whatever formula they were using before. Most likely, the stuff they were using was a DuPont glue that has been discontinued and they had to find an alternative.

Thanks, That's good to know. If I do ever dunk my ProVari for what ever reason, I'll just throw it in a bag of rice and dry it out without an iso-alcohol rinse.

 

[Robino1]

I am miffed!

Now that my provari is on it's way to me NO ONE has responded to me as to how to join the Provarinati or where to get our super secret graphics.

harrrrumph!

Please go here for your first stop in the Provari indoctrination process. http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/provari/501193-greetings-our-newest-members.html




This message will self destruct.........







Well never

 

[DavidAmonettNashville]

The LVT did have a waterproof rating, weak as it is, and had "covers" that were supposed to protect the inside of the product.

Two things: Firstly the LVT wasn't waterproof...It only has a IPS1X rating ... It is resistant only to Dripping water (vertically falling drops).The lowest of the Liquid ingress protection tests. There was confusion about the rating so I don't blame you but it truly was never rated for a complete submergence.IP Code - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. Secondly : If you ever do work up the nerve to do the test(or if some other true believer offers a full replacement) I will personally anoint you (or them)The King of the ProVarinatti and will even put it in my Sig...Think it over. (still luv ya like the innokin solider you were)

 

[p.opus]

Two things: Firstly the LVT wasn't waterproof...It only has a IPS1X rating ... It is resistant only to Dripping water (vertically falling drops).The lowest of the Liquid ingress protection tests. There was confusion about the rating so I don't blame you but it truly was never rated for a complete submergence.IP Code - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. Secondly : If you ever do work up the nerve to do the test(or if some other true believer offers a full replacement) I will personally anoint you (or them)The King of the ProVarinatti and will even put it in my Sig...Think it over. (still luv ya like the innokin solider you were)

What makes you think I'm not still the Innokin Soldier I was. What do you think I'm vaping right now? My MVP2 with my Kayfun.

My MVP2's are my daily drivers when I am not in my home. Truth be told, the MVP's get more of a workout daily than the ProVari.

Ok, so I'm now pulling VV on my MVP2's just so I can set everything to the same numbers. (My Kayfun works great at resistance plus 2.5) This almost always puts me at 10 watts.

I have figured a pretty quick way to get to watts without the math.

Resistance + 1.5 = 6 watts.
Resistance + 2.0 = 8 watts.
Resistance + 2.5 = 10 watts.

As far as completing the test, I have no aspirations to be king of the ProVarinati.

It's not an either or deal. I use both regularly....I'm just so glad that the MVP2 offers such a low cost quality vape so that I don't have to take my ProVari out of the house or buy a backup provari.

 

[The Ocelot]

...Ok, I don't have a pony in this fight but you appear to be the fisherman in this thread.

I nominate this post for Mixed Metaphor of the Week!

 

[EddardinWinter]

I nominate this post for Mixed Metaphor of the Week!

Her Majesty speaks...who will gainsay her august words of wisdom?



Roaring via Tapatalk...