HOW has the Provari not been cloned?
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Being happily used by many of it's owners!
Evolv has evolved -- need I say Kick Module, DNA12, 20, 30? And, the technology is available in boxes and tubes and whatever configuration one wants to make, even DIY, making it vary accessible. Did you perhaps not know that Evolv is the maker of the Darwin???
Please -- no more battles between the best innovators -- Provape and Evolv. We had enough of that in the olden days. My Provari's and Evolv & Evolv Inside devices get along quite fine in my vaping arsenal.
(P.S. Darwin's sell for a premium. It's value is increasing, not declining. )
Of course the Provari has been cloned, but not even close to being counterfeited. As other's have said, it started with the Lava Tube -- touted to be a Provari with a much cheaper price. Every vari tube mod since then has been a type of Provari clone with an extra bell or whistle to make it seem like more. Some are quite fine, but none are close to a provape device.
their clear tube dna mod never made it to market tho,,an yes i am fully aware who Evolv is and what they do\did
I like my Sigelei Zmax Telescopic V3. This doesn't look anything like a Provari. In fact, Sigelei sells a lot more APVs that look like a Sigelei than the ones that look like Provaris. That's because Provaris look gaudy and over-styling is just plain ugly.
I like the V3 better than the Provari. It costs 25% of what a Provari costs and does more.
What Sigelei Zmax V3 does that Provari won't:
-VV/VW
-accepts 18350, 18490, 18500, 18650 and 2x18350 batteries right out of the box
-uses button top or the less expensive flat top batteries
-heavy stainless steel build
-removable top cap for easy cleaning
-510/eGo connection. The threads are one-piece stainless steel and the best on the market
-flat top cap available so wider atomizers don't look dorky on it, unlike the Provari
-one of the smalest VV/VW tube mods available
I even love the rattlesnake sound that comes from LR cartos. Lets me know the goodness is coming on the highway.
you do realize how many of those attributes also apply to the provari ??
except for the rattlesnake part,,that is from a 37mhz pulse width that is very common to all china mods
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33.3 mhz isn't it...
It is.
And now, here comes a member of the "usual suspects". A known roaring blowhard of The ProVarinati
Your points about the ProVari are valid perceptions. That does not make them universal truths. I certainly don't mind criticisms of the ProVari, it isn't a perfect device.
The single button interface bothers some people, I really like it. I don't have ANY devices with more than one button that I ever use. I have a trio of ProVarii, and a Caravela clone. They cover all the needs of my vaping profile.
No VW? Shrug. I use solely rebuilt atomizers and they are all in the same ohm range of 1.2 to 1.5. I build the wicks to handle 15 watts, so it really would't save me any time. If I really want VW, I can put my kick in my mechanical, but I never use it. The only different coil ohms I have is on the Caravela where I build to 0.7-0.8 ohms...for those times where 15 watts just isn't enough.
Basic display. Yeah, it is basic. I am not looking to watch my display, I rarely need to. I check ohms every so often, and battery power every few hours, or if I am getting ready to leave the house/office to make sure I have a fresh battery.
People say it's ugly...well beauty is a subjective thing, so there is no response to that, if its ugly to you, don't get one.
I believe version three will have a higher power range, the same unbeaten accuracy, the same build quality, the same first rate service, and some other new feature that will make it a truly unique product. I think the upgrade is timely, and ProVape should improve their flagship device...but the version 2.5 is a great mod for me exactly as it is.
Not everyone has to agree (I don't even want everyone to agree), there are lots of great mods out there, get what suits you best!
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I think you mean WHY has the provari not been cloned?
It is due to the force incarnate which is kept in check by the Provarinatti by unspeakable methods.
Ask not HOW, for to do so is to tempt the wrath of forces beyond your imagination.
JMHO
It is due to the force incarnate which is kept in check by the Provarinatti by unspeakable methods.
Ask not HOW, for to do so is to tempt the wrath of forces beyond your imagination.
JMHO
Geez....What an opening statement. I'm just pulling your chain a bit.(but you are one of the usual suspects). Seriously though, I was down at our local B$M with tax refund money burning a hole in my pocket and noticed that they now have a rather large display of provari's. I held several in hand and thought about getting a mini for my wife but she's not a battery carrying type of person and I was scared that the mini wouldn't get her through the day. Someone had mentioned that provape made a pass-through attachment that they sold on their website so I checked on that and it was 78 bucks....So the whole setup with the mini costing 195(yep) 1battery and charger 35 and the passthrough being 78, topped out over 335 dollars for a VV passthrough (tax incl.)
I just couldn't do it, despite the fact that I love my wife to pieces.As far as provaris future goes I want them to prosper, pull ahead and stay ahead, demonstrate the ingenuity that put them on the map as the premier supplier of high end ,accurate and durable mods. When version 3 comes out I will most likely purchase one because I believe provape knows what is expected of a leader. There is simply no doubt that an inconsequential "Update" would alienate a lot of people who have tirelessly advocated for the device.
I love an American company who has worked hard to put out a quality product and found great success. I not only want their next version to be successful, I want Provape to knock it out of the park. I think they are mostly responsible for the insurgence of durable,quality devices that are just a mouse click away for relative newcomers like myself. A great device sets the standard for all other devices and in doing so produces the "Rising tide effect". I am eagerly awaiting the newest Provari and if it is half as good as it should be I'll be purchasing one for my wife and then I can be in the club with you and the others and perhaps we can even run some patrols together?
Geez....What an opening statement. I'm just pulling your chain a bit.(but you are one of the usual suspects). Seriously though, I was down at our local B$M with tax refund money burning a hole in my pocket and noticed that they now have a rather large display of provari's. I held several in hand and thought about getting a mini for my wife but she's not a battery carrying type of person and I was scared that the mini wouldn't get her through the day. Someone had mentioned that provape made a pass-through attachment that they sold on their website so I checked on that and it was 78 bucks....So the whole setup with the mini costing 195(yep) 1battery and charger 35 and the passthrough being 78, topped out over 335 dollars for a VV passthrough (tax incl.)
As far as provaris future goes I want them to prosper, pull ahead and stay ahead, demonstrate the ingenuity that put them on the map as the premier supplier of high end ,accurate and durable mods. When version 3 comes out I will most likely purchase one because I believe provape knows what is expected of a leader. There is simply no doubt that an inconsequential "Update" would alienate a lot of people who have tirelessly advocated for the device.
I love an American company who has worked hard to put out a quality product and found great success. I not only want their next version to be successful, I want Provape to knock it out of the park. I think they are mostly responsible for the insurgence of durable,quality devices that are just a mouse click away for relative newcomers like myself. A great device sets the standard for all other devices and in doing so produces the "Rising tide effect". I am eagerly awaiting the newest Provari and if it is half as good as it should be I'll be purchasing one for my wife and then I can be in the club with you and the others and perhaps we can even run some patrols together?
I can feel the bile rising in my throat as I type this because it means I get to eat more crow.
Some people have stated that the ProVari is the Cadillac of PV's and I think that's where the misconception lies. This would indicate that the ProVari is this lush luxurious device. Then people see one and they see that it doesn't have this or doesn't have that. I was one of those people. How can it be the Cadillac of PV's when PV's at 1/4 the cost do more? The ProVari is the F150 of PV's Built for one purpose and one purpose only. It does that very well. Quality is not always sexy, but it can be in itself it's own luxury.
Why no VW? Don't know specifically, I would love it, but since I am vaping Kayfun's on it, I know what coil I have so I adjust once before I start vaping and we're good to go.
Why no advanced display? Because the LED's used are the most moisture resistant display component's available.
Why only button tops batteries? Because button tops allow the ProVari to mount the control head inside the device with out using an internal separator that would trap liquid.
Why would ProVape want to do this? Ruggedness. If the ProVari gets dropped into a puddle, remove the battery and dry it out and it will still work. The control board and circuits are not particularly water resistant, but they use sealed components, and the ProVari does not have any areas in it that trap liquid. ProVape used to tell users to rinse their units with Alcohol to help dry it, they no longer recommend that for units purchased after 2012, but the unit is still designed to take significant moisture and be dried out
The point is, that decision that was made in the design around the ProVari was to make it as rugged as possible.
An OLED would be great, but if it got any moisture in it, the OLED would get killed. And one of the things ProVape prides itself in is it's low return rate. That's why they even sell an additional 1 year of warranty for $25.00, it's free money for them. Odd's are you will never use that warranty.
The decision that ProVape needs to make regarding a new version of their Mod is can they make one with VW and the myriad of other features people are clamoring for without sacrificing ruggedness.
A sexy new ProVari that did not hold up to the rigors of the original would be a disaster. Truck guys don't buy an F150 because of the options you can get. They buy one because their dad beat his up every day for 30 years and it kept coming back for more.
It's that philosophy that is behind everything ProVape does, or does not do...
At least you had the opportunity to take one out and feel it and use it. For you VW is a deal breaker and I totally get that.
The great thing about the ProVari is I can try all the other sexy mod's out there, and I know that even if those sexy units go south, I have a reliable mod in the ProVari that I can count on....As long as I don't lose it...
I havent read any of this thread. Just passing through.
The Provari hasnt been cloned because the chipset hasnt been copied. The chipset is the difference. (great build as well)
VW is useless to me. It eats batteries because its always adjusting.
I cant go back to chinese 33MHZ chipsets of any type....just a personal preference. Maybe if I were forced to....but Im not and I wont.
(I Have Semovars and a DNA 30 as well just so you know Im not a fanboy..)
The Provari hasnt been cloned because the chipset hasnt been copied. The chipset is the difference. (great build as well)
VW is useless to me. It eats batteries because its always adjusting.
I cant go back to chinese 33MHZ chipsets of any type....just a personal preference. Maybe if I were forced to....but Im not and I wont.
(I Have Semovars and a DNA 30 as well just so you know Im not a fanboy..)
Probably not worth the hassle when the mechs are selling like hotcakes and are easier to make.
that being said, no REO clones out there either.
that being said, no REO clones out there either.
I know about the Kato TeleVari mod. I also know he only made 50 silver and 50 gold versions. I would appreciate a link to any other telescope ProVari mods...I've been looking for a while now.
Edit: the only current production mod I know of is the Twins ProVari Mini adapter...I already have one of those.
Just for the record, I'm a VV user but I like VW available as an option. The single addition that provari could offer that would immediately sell me would be a built-in pass through feature. I'd probably pass out if they added on board charging....And they can keep the current display but Me personally, I don't want to see the sides of the chip when viewed at an angle. Lastly I hope they improve the single button design...Having to press the button 16 times to turn the led on or off? or 13 times to check an attys Ohms? Seems excessive to me but I'm sure its not to the hardcore..
any mod firing in the MEGAHertz range would have an extremely smooth PWM output.
Mega = million
Hertz = times per second
MHz = MegaHertz
33.3MHz would so blow provaris 800Hz out of the water in the "smooth" department.
good thing the china mods are comonly putting out 33 to 37 Hertz (around 100 pulses every three seconds to provaris 800 pulses per second).
would be nice if provape introduced actual voltage variance instead of PWM on the V3. mech mods hit so much smoother. it would be nice to have a choice that wasn't between a hiss and a rattle.
Mega = million
Hertz = times per second
MHz = MegaHertz
33.3MHz would so blow provaris 800Hz out of the water in the "smooth" department.
good thing the china mods are comonly putting out 33 to 37 Hertz (around 100 pulses every three seconds to provaris 800 pulses per second).
would be nice if provape introduced actual voltage variance instead of PWM on the V3. mech mods hit so much smoother. it would be nice to have a choice that wasn't between a hiss and a rattle.
What exactly is so good about that?
you can still don that banner proudly.
I know about the Kato TeleVari mod. I also know he only made 50 silver and 50 gold versions. I would appreciate a link to any other telescope ProVari mods...I've been looking for a while now.
Edit: the only current production mod I know of is the Twins ProVari Mini adapter...I already have one of those.
Kato kits are the only TS ones i know of,,and i have only seen one gold one listed in the last 2 years ,,and it was in Japan
there is this mod kit too PowerPro 26650 Provari Modders Kit
Not interested in the big battery mod. I saw a TeleVari for sale in Calivapors forum a year or two ago as well.
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