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Vicshalls

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the ratios of pg/vg? I have not started this yet, but i really think this coming weekend i am going to be placing an order to get myself started. Something needs to give. lol I am not a cloud blower so i dont care about all of that. What i was looking at was a premix of the pg/vg and was thinking the 70/30 mix would be ok and then just get the 100% pg for my nic. or maybe jsut do 50/50 on both. of course that would solve all of my problems and make my life really easy. i really am more about flavor than the rest of it. i know i can adjust the flavors to my taste so that is why i am thinking the base really should not matter much.
 

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Base matters a lot, depends on what you consider a satisfying vape. Might actually be better to start out mixing the separate components, so you can experiment, gain some experience, and learn what works best for you. From there you can move to pre-mix bases since now you know what your target is.
 

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The ratio impacts your overall experience in two primary ways:
1) VG is far thicker - and the viscosity of your liquid needs to be in a range that will work right (wicking) with your equipment
2) VG makes more vapor, PG carries more flavor - so you want some of both

You can start at 70/30, and change it a little to suit in your next batch.
Use a calculator, and it takes into account that your flavoring is probably PG-based, etc...
 

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Your nic base should be close to your pg/vg ratio to make things easier. I like 70pg/30vg, but I'm after flavor, not clouds. Too much PG produces a thin vapor. Too much VG sweetens the vapor and produces more clouds, but loses a little (or a lot) of the flavoring in the vape. I can tell a difference between 70/30 and 60/40.

The thing about matching components of the mix is that each changes the recipe. If you use 100% pg Nic in the mix that will raise the amount of VG you have to add to the total. Later on, if you decide to add 100% pg nic to the finished juice for some reason to raise nic content, you shift the mix a little toward the PG side, ml by ml. That only matters if you are trying to keep the total mix close to the original. Nic and flavors are a smaller portion of the total, but can throw off the balance enough to create problems, especially if you have a higher mg nic preference.

Buy your nic in the base level you like in your juice from your current vendors. If you are a 70/30 vaper and are satisfied with that, continue on. You can buy 70/30 nic that matches your preference or at least close to it. I make 70pg/30vg juice using 75/25 nic from MyFreedomSmokes. That's the closest they have in that particular brand, but for me that's close enough to be relatively accurate and the price is right.

Download the EJuiceMeUp juice calculator and play with the numbers to see how the recipe changes with different pg/vg components.

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Well the stuff I use now is all over the place. 50/50 all the way to 80/20. Just seems to depend on who makes it. It all seems to wick just fine. My wife Vapes the same brands just a little higher nic. Maybe just doing 50/50 to start might be the way for me to go and use a VG base nic. Guess I will live and learn here soon.

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I am a huge proponent of mixing seperate components. It gives you the most flexibility with ratios. There is no real harm in going either way. Except that if you get 50/50 and don't like the result you are stuck.

As long as you are vaping under 20mg juice you can get away with 100% VG nic. You would need very little additional VG. But you will need some.

It is a lot of fun. Get a calculator and make something you like. Good luck and if you need help there are lots of great mixers on here.
 

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You are getting good thoughts here @Vicshalls.

I find myself in the camp of recommending individual components vs. buying premade blends. Simply because it will give you the most flexibility until you know what you like. This can be more important if you are mixing for more than one person and you are trying to accommodate multiple preferences including nic levels, PG/VG ratios, and total flavoring percentages. I have read many stories of new DIYers who "tried to keep it simple," but didn't know what they really wanted, and then had to try and alter a less than ideal purchase. Individual components may have an extra step or two, but are most practical for small batch experimentation, until you learn what works best for you.

It is also likely to give you access to lowest pricing. Companies that are allowing you to choose PG/VG ratios are having to re-handle, and re-bottle, and therefore incurring costs of time (labor) and material (product + packaging) and will most likely pass that added expense on to you. If cost is not a priority for you this may not be important.

When looking at PG/VG ratios on their own; I find it boils down to these influences (though everyone is different):
  • Health issues. Do you, or anyone you intend to mix for have PG or VG sensitivities? This will take priority over the rest of this list.
  • Wicking needs/atomizers to be used. If you, and those you're mixing for, are dripping or squonking; it will have less importance. If tanks are being used then it can become more important. Tanks can be more temperamental to dry hits from the recipe being too thick (too much VG), or flooding from the recipe being too thin (too much PG). Different tanks behave differently. Different wicking materials can also alter this performance.
  • Flavor influence. Opinions vary (like most things vaping) about how much the chosen ratio influences the individual's perception of flavor intensity. In other words; some vapers find that high VG ratios can "mute" flavors. I am not one of them but I respect those who say it does.
  • "Cloud" production. If anyone you mix for wants to go cloud chasing; higher VG = more clouds.

If one or more of these hold importance to you, or those you will mix for, then they can help set some very general directions to start your ratios. If none of them apply then the sky is the limit.

The other thing to consider is "how important are hitting specific numbers to you and those you are mixing for?"
Blends, especially blends close to the desired target, are less forgiving to variation. So, if you want a 30/70 finished ratio; don't but 30/70 blended PG and VG. When you add flavor(s) and nic you will no longer be at 30/70. Blends work best for those who mix with the attitude of "as long as I'm over <insert your preferred minimum ratio here>." If (like me) you are target specific; you will most certainly need (at least) small amounts of straight PG and VG to be able to bring the recipe back to target. If that is the case; you may as well use separate components to begin with. Otherwise, instead of saving steps/time, you'll like be making things more complicated. (Why add PG/VG blend + PG and/or VG when I could just add PG and VG and have it right where I want it from the beginning?)

Remember that both flavors and nicotines will be suspended in some sort of carrier too; usually PG, or VG, or some combination thereof. So the addition of these will alter your final ratio.

There are many who do use (and find beneficial) a blended PG/VG base. And, many of those that do, blend their own instead of paying the higher price of someone else mixing it for them. This might be a good option for you too. You can mix up your own various PG/VG ratios, and find what ratio works best for you, then you can order it that way in the future (if you still so choose).

The last thing I will suggest you think about is your recipe calculator choice (and I strongly recommend the use of one; esp. for those new to DIY). If you are going to work with blends; make sure you choose a calculator that will accommodate blends. Not all do.

And now my disclaimer: I do NOT profess these thoughts as correct, or better, or the right way to think about it. They are only my way. There are virtually as many ways to DIY as there are DIYers. The key to success is to find what is right for you. So what ever you choose to do; do it on a small/minimal scale until you discover what your way is. Then scale up and mix to your heart's abandon!

Many of us who started DIY, did so with a particular goal in mind (save money, get a better flavor, know what is going in our juice, etc.), only to discover a whole new hobby. Have fun!

I wish you success on your DIY journey. Best wishes!! :D
 

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Thank you all so much for the advice. I really did want to keep this simple. As much as i would love to have time to tinker with things I really just dont have that kind of time in my life. I think i might just go the way of individual pg/vg and mix from there. I will only be making stuff for me and my wife and she really is not all that picky. She just wants her liquid with a higher nic than i do. lol I like the site e-liquid recipes. I think for what i am wanting it seems really good and easy to understand. the last time i thought about doing this all the things out there just really caused me to pause and end up not doing it. I know everything is trial and error, but even with this being a less expensive way of doing things i just dont have the money to waste trying to figure it all out. I just hope what i end up doing works for the best. Again, thank you all for your input. I appreciate the guidance.
 

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IDJoel pretty much spilled it all out.
DIY is how you want to make it, you can spend a lifetime trying to clone a juice getting frustrated cause you can't get it or copy someones formula that doesn't taste right turning something fun into a chore. Use the KISS method as I did only using a couple flavors I know I like and go from there to adapt to the taste your wanting to get. I vape tobaccos and there are so many smells and tastes from commercial tobacco juices that I despise and as soon as I open a new jug of concentrate I know from the smell what the juice is going to end up tasting like.
Just try not to over-complicate something that should be easy
 

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Thank you all so much for the advice. I really did want to keep this simple. As much as i would love to have time to tinker with things I really just dont have that kind of time in my life. I think i might just go the way of individual pg/vg and mix from there. I will only be making stuff for me and my wife and she really is not all that picky. She just wants her liquid with a higher nic than i do. lol I like the site e-liquid recipes. I think for what i am wanting it seems really good and easy to understand. the last time i thought about doing this all the things out there just really caused me to pause and end up not doing it. I know everything is trial and error, but even with this being a less expensive way of doing things i just dont have the money to waste trying to figure it all out. I just hope what i end up doing works for the best. Again, thank you all for your input. I appreciate the guidance.

Don't over complicate it. Yes, it is in fact easier to have separate ingredients but it isn't at all complicated. Pick a couple of recipes that look good and order the flavors for those recipes. Download a calculator. Go for it. You will save so much money in the long rung tht the up front cost are quickly negated and if something goes wrong you bin it. No worries, it probably only cost you pennies. I have a sticky on weight based mixing at the top of this section and I suggest you take a look at it. Many feel that mixing by weight is the simplest, fastest way to mix.

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i am a big ry4 fan and that is really what i want. i really only care for 3 kinds. ry4, fruit loops and blueberry stuff. so just trying to find good ones for that and i will be on my way. lol really wish i could find something that was as good as noras dream and i would never vape anything else again. lol
 

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When I started doing DIY I wasn't interested in much more then Tobacco flavors but that changes as your journey continues. I have always promoted keeping it simple and finding standalone flavors you make and mixing minor amounts in a tank for testing purposes and it has worked well for me!
 

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i am a big ry4 fan and that is really what i want. i really only care for 3 kinds. ry4, fruit loops and blueberry stuff. so just trying to find good ones for that and i will be on my way. lol really wish i could find something that was as good as noras dream and i would never vape anything else again. lol

Keep reading the DIY threads and you will find what you are looking for. Hangsen RY1, RY2, RY3, and RY4 flavors might offer something in the range you are looking for. RY1 is the weaker, more plain and dry cigarette flavor and RY4 is more flavored.
 

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Well the stuff I use now is all over the place. 50/50 all the way to 80/20. Just seems to depend on who makes it. It all seems to wick just fine. My wife Vapes the same brands just a little higher nic. Maybe just doing 50/50 to start might be the way for me to go and use a VG base nic. Guess I will live and learn here soon.

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Experiment in small batches. If you are vaping low nic, the base won't affect the outcome as much as it would if you were at 24mg juice strength. In a 50ml bottle, the mix might require 12ml of 100mg nic base at 24mg final mix strength. At 3mg strength that would be about 1.5ml nic base in a 50ml bottle. You can see how it becomes important to match ingredients in Nic/PG/VG composition, especially at higher nic levels. The recipe calculator makes it easy, for all types of mixes, though.

Somebody check my math on the above. I think I was accurate, but you never know.
 

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i am a big ry4 fan and that is really what i want. i really only care for 3 kinds. ry4, fruit loops and blueberry stuff. so just trying to find good ones for that and i will be on my way. lol really wish i could find something that was as good as noras dream and i would never vape anything else again. lol
Welcome to the world of DIY, let the journey begin :)
 
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