How long do we have???

[kemishdo]

Does anybody have a guestimate of exactly how long we may have before the government decides everything we do illegal? I have some friends who are just about to make the switch and I'd hate them to put out alot of cash only to have it banned in a couple of months. I was assuming we would have maybe a year before this would happen? I also need to stock up on batteries, tanks, juice, etc. So ballpark? anybody?

 

[HoseGarden]

Does anybody have a guestimate of exactly how long we may have before the government decides everything we do illegal? I have some friends who are just about to make the switch and I'd hate them to put out alot of cash only to have it banned in a couple of months. I was assuming we would have maybe a year before this would happen? I also need to stock up on batteries, tanks, juice, etc. So ballpark? anybody?

approximately ~2 years according to the regulatory process

 

[TheColdHandedVG]

Does anybody have a guestimate of exactly how long we may have before the government decides everything we do illegal? I have some friends who are just about to make the switch and I'd hate them to put out alot of cash only to have it banned in a couple of months. I was assuming we would have maybe a year before this would happen? I also need to stock up on batteries, tanks, juice, etc. So ballpark? anybody?

I don't believe anything is straight out being banned at the moment. There is the possibility of products not being approved, but at the moment I don't think there are any definitive bans on their way.

 

[DaveOno]

With all the litigation that might ensue, I'll guess late 2015.

And if it is 18 months, your friends are still better off having stopped smoking.

But it won't be illegal. Hopefully, just regulated.

 

[novamatt]

As I understand it, if the FDA deeming regs are approved and adopted, there will be a 2 year period where business will continue as usual. However, once that 2 years is up, really REALLY expensive licensing will be necessary to sell e-cigs and juice. It's very likely that the only ones who will be able to afford the licensing and have the knowledge to navigate the regulations will be big tobacco, which means that cig-a-likes with disposable cartridges like Blu will probably be the only things left.

The batteries that we use (18650s, 18500s, etc.) are used for so many other things that they will continue to be readily available and won't fall under the e-cig regulations. In the same vein, if you use rebuildables, kanthal wire and cotton will be around as well.

So in the worst case scenario, if you purchase quality equipment and learn how to DIY juice now, you've probably got a little over 2 years to stockpile.

 

[Ryedan]

Nothing will change in months. IMO it will take at least three years before anything happens.

 

[novamatt]

One more key point to mention:

We may still have a chance to keep the FDA from approving these rules. If you haven't done it yet, please join CASAA, make sure they know what state you're in, and pay attention to their emails. Currently they're asking everyone to request an extension to the public commenting period - you can find instructions on how to do that here.

I'd really like to see a system where juice vendors are regulated in much the same way that restaurants are... make sure they're using sanitary practices, and then issue a cheap license.

 

[HoseGarden]

you have....

...until....

....tomorrow!!

and tomorrow you will have...

...until....

...the following day!!

and the following day you will have...

...until...

...the day after that!!

notice a pattern?

 

[buddha2490]

I said this before in another thread:

No one at FDA wants to ban vaping, they recognize that it is a lesser evil than cigarettes. Their main priority is keeping non-smokers from starting to vape because they are afraid it will lead to smoking down the line. As such, FDA will definitely make it harder to vape. They will push vape-free laws in public places, they will push taxes, and they will make it hard for products to be approved. They may very well regulate flavors that 'taste like candy to kids', but that's probably all that they will do.


FDA would rather smokers vape than burn. There is research starting to examine smoking cessation using ecigs, and maybe it will be good news, maybe it won't. But we don't need to worry for a long time. It will take a couple years to write the regulations and litigate it.

 

[Tmg666]

Only real concern is juice atm batteries are safe as there only batteries. Hardware they can try to but can't see that going through as it isn't there jurisdiction. There not regulating flashlights shouldn't be able to regulate hardware. Juice you should expect more tax on it and possibly flavors but well fight for the flavors if they try to take them

 

[kemishdo]

Thanks everyone, just glad to know that I will have a year or more. I'm hoping to be at 0 nic by the end of this year. Just want all my friends to have more time to experience vaping and quit smoking before it's too late.

 

[EleanorR]

I said this before in another thread:

No one at FDA wants to ban vaping, they recognize that it is a lesser evil than cigarettes. Their main priority is keeping non-smokers from starting to vape because they are afraid it will lead to smoking down the line. As such, FDA will definitely make it harder to vape. They will push vape-free laws in public places, they will push taxes, and they will make it hard for products to be approved. They may very well regulate flavors that 'taste like candy to kids', but that's probably all that they will do.


FDA would rather smokers vape than burn. There is research starting to examine smoking cessation using ecigs, and maybe it will be good news, maybe it won't. But we don't need to worry for a long time. It will take a couple years to write the regulations and litigate it.

You. Could. Not. Be. More. WRONG.

FDA wants to ban vaping (with the possible exception of BT products) because of the $$$$$$$money at stake, both for Big Pharma and for all federal and state/local treasuries (excise tax revenue + Tobacco Master Settlement Agreement income).


The ANTZ/FDA War on Vaping has nothing, I repeat nothing, to do with harm reduction or public health.

 

[ut1205]

It's really going to "suck" when I am able to go to a B&M and legally purchase a bag of that "leafy stuff" but not be able to buy a bottle of e-juice. Wonder if FDA is going to regulate the "leafy stuff"?

 

[Katya]

Does anybody have a guestimate of exactly how long we may have before the government decides everything we do illegal? I have some friends who are just about to make the switch and I'd hate them to put out alot of cash only to have it banned in a couple of months. I was assuming we would have maybe a year before this would happen? I also need to stock up on batteries, tanks, juice, etc. So ballpark? anybody?

Depends on what you do.

Join CASAA, get involved--donate if you can, read the calls to action (yellow banner on top of home page), write, email, call your representatives.

If we do nothing, it won't be very long. Local bans, taxes, shipping bans, Internet sales bans--it's happening now in your neighborhood and all over the country.

You're from Maryland? Contact your senator NOW:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...senate-help-committee-today.html#post13144693

 

[Wow1420]

Nothing will change in months. IMO it will take at least three years before anything happens.

2 to 3 years for the impact of FDA regs to really be felt. But once the tobacco product "deeming" goes into effect , that's only going to add fuel to all the legislative attacks on vaping that we're seeing. (See the big yellow boxes at the top of the forum to see where we're headed)

 

[ChurchMouse]

I said this before in another thread:

No one at FDA wants to ban vaping, they recognize that it is a lesser evil than cigarettes. Their main priority is keeping non-smokers from starting to vape because they are afraid it will lead to smoking down the line. As such, FDA will definitely make it harder to vape. They will push vape-free laws in public places, they will push taxes, and they will make it hard for products to be approved. They may very well regulate flavors that 'taste like candy to kids', but that's probably all that they will do.


FDA would rather smokers vape than burn. There is research starting to examine smoking cessation using ecigs, and maybe it will be good news, maybe it won't. But we don't need to worry for a long time. It will take a couple years to write the regulations and litigate it.

Honestly I think it would take a miracle for enough money, manpower and attention to be poured into legitimate research fast enough to make a difference in the FDA's stance (and no, I don't agree that they would rather see people vape).

What happens two years from now? Another presidential election cycle, with BT, BP and ANTZ groups pouring ca$h into propaganda and state legislatures in the interim. While it won't be a front and center issue in the election cycle it's also not going to matter to these people enough to tick off their donors or buck public opinion that close to a high turnout ballot.

IOW it's all downhill from there for us. Maybe not an outright ban, but it's going to get difficult and expensive. Unless of course you like Blus!

 

[Katya]

We have plenty of research. We just need to deliver it to our lawmakers.

http://www.ash.org.uk/files/documents/ASH_891.pdf

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...562216-scientific-good-news.html#post13118873

 

[jcalis1394]

The idea is to not sit back and watch it happen. Sign up for CASAA and follow their Call To Actions. There's a public comment period on the FDA proposed regulations, and I'm sure if the worst were to happen we'd still fight to overcome it. It's only over once we give up.

I was also thinking of how they plan to regulate 0 nic e-juices. They are made of PG/VG (flavoring carriers) and food flavorings. If they were to regulate that, they'd have to regulate a good chunk of the food industry.

 

[coalyard]

Does anybody have a guestimate of exactly how long we may have before the government decides everything we do illegal? I have some friends who are just about to make the switch and I'd hate them to put out alot of cash only to have it banned in a couple of months. I was assuming we would have maybe a year before this would happen? I also need to stock up on batteries, tanks, juice, etc. So ballpark? anybody?

Federal regulation is one thing, state regulation and taxes are quite another. I live in NY. You live in MD. I would strongly suggest stocking up on supplies while you can still afford them.

My priorities are as follows, according to what I believe is in most danger:

1. Nic liquid. I am buying 100mg/ml, about $90 for 1 liter. I will be happy with 4L or so.

2. Tanks. I have 2 Kayfun clones, and an original. I will buy a couple more of these. They can be re-built, and are of such quality that they will be working when I die with reasonable care and maintenance.

3. Mods. I have a VMAX, an MVP, a VTR, and an SVD. A Provari and a ZNA are on the list. I will stash the Provari, along with the VTR and SVD for backup.

Reasons for my list are that juice is going to be the first to be regulated or taxed, followed by equipment. Ancillary stuff like wire, flavors, PG /VG, batteries, etc. will not be regulated, as they have many other uses.

 

[Frenchfry1942]

Yes, a couple of years. They will have secret cameras in cars and homes. Yes, that will include the "library".