How many chemicals are really in e-liquid?

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Jay-dub

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I always hear that there are only maybe 3-5 chemicals in an e-liquid and I really don't see how this is true. If you get a PG/VG blends you already have two minus the nicotine. The flavorings surely have more than 1 or 2 more chemicals in them. Especially flavoring extracts. I'm pretty sure even vanilla flavoring has more than just one chemical in it. Hasn't the vaping community been a bit optimistic in how few chemicals are in the liquids? There's got to be more than generally claimed.
 

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It depends one what you mean by chemicals.

Water is a chemical as well as the air we breath. All forums of matter are chemical.

I am guessing what people might want is one of two things.

I list of everything in it (very hard to list chemically) but breaking down blueberry juice will be take up some label space as organic things have a lot of chemicals in it. This if course would be listed in the order of content, would you list the contents by mass or by volume?

The other might be a list of known harmful substences but that might be misleading as if something is harmful may involve its concentration levels.

It might sound like I am splitting hairs but no matter how you list them it can be controversial in itself and used against us. There are a lot what can be considered bad things in naturally foods.
 
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Jay-dub

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I know for sure that there isn't over 4000 chemicals like there is in real cigs.

Kind of what I'm getting at. It's not a fair comparison to hold the chemical composition of of one substance against a simple list of ingredients of another. If we talked about the ingredients in analogues the list would be as short as it is for e-liquids. Paper, tobacco, and a few other things. We, as a community, have been exaggerating a little bit to make our product look even better in comparison to it's competition when it's not even necessary to do so. If we want to compare chemicals in e-liquid to chemicals in cigs then lets do so. All I've seen is us comparing the ingredients of e-liquid to the chemicals in cigs. Doesn't seem entirely honest.
 

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What would be honest - with regard to our health - is to compare the amount of know harmful compounds. I believe this has already been done.......:)

My point is that over and over again I see us putting down cigarettes for their 4000 chemicals while not even knowing how many or what chemicals compose e-liquid. We've compared the ingredients of one against the chemical composition of another which is disingenuous. Of course I'm going to consider the knowledge of harmful chemical compounds more important to benign ones but it never hurts to be informed overall. I just don't want to blindly follow what everybody says just because they say it. Pointing fingers at 4000 chemical substances while not even knowing exactly how many are in the substance I'm advocating isn't my style. So, are we going to compare chemical compositions to chemical compositions, ingredients to ingredients, or do as we've done so far and compare e-liquid ingredients against the chemical composition of tobacco?
 
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What would be honest - with regard to our health - is to compare the amount of know harmful compounds. I believe this has already been done.......:)

That would be difficult to do.

There are things that are even needed to live but become toxic at certain levels.

Without salt we die, drinking water at the concentrations of ocean water and no way to dilute it will kill. Iodine is needed, too much and it is dangerous. Protein can be toxic.

Unless there are a lot of notes at the bottom of a list almost anything can be misunderstood.
 

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I take your point, Jay-dub. A simple statement of the numbers isn't going to be really informative. I've often wondered how many chemicals we would inhale by wrapping dried spinach leaves in a cigarette paper. The real question is how many cancer causing chemicals are present in each, and I bet my life the juice still wins by hundreds to one. Was there another point to take away?

ETA: cancer causing AND other toxic materials.
 

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Kind of what I'm getting at. It's not a fair comparison to hold the chemical composition of of one substance against a simple list of ingredients of another. If we talked about the ingredients in analogues the list would be as short as it is for e-liquids. Paper, tobacco, and a few other things. We, as a community, have been exaggerating a little bit to make our product look even better in comparison to it's competition when it's not even necessary to do so. If we want to compare chemicals in e-liquid to chemicals in cigs then lets do so. All I've seen is us comparing the ingredients of e-liquid to the chemicals in cigs. Doesn't seem entirely honest.
No, the tobacco corporations have admitted to adding almost 200 chemicals to the tobacco and paper, when burned that creates almost a total of 4,000 other chemicals. Studies have shown that eliquid when vaporized remains the same.
 

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Alright.

Smoking and cancer: What's in a cigarette? : Cancer Research UK

According to this site (and sadly, I do tend to trust UK / Euro data more than I do U.S., but whatever). There are 70 cancer causing chemicals emitted when burning a cigarette out of over 4,000

Now it really depends on your data because I have read studies that say 8-12 cancer causing chemicals upwards of over 100 which makes me believe that all they REALLY know is that smoking causes cancer and that's pretty much it...

When smoking became popular in the 20's, 30,s 40,s and then the explosion of smokers in the 50's, we were all lead to believe it was fine to smoke and even healthy! It wasn't until the 70's when all these smokers started getting cancer and began dying that somebody thought to link it to cigarettes.

So 10 years from now you could find out that Vaping has caused your internal organs to turn to mush and you end up a big pile of goo at a stop light. Fact is. We don't know for sure. What we do know, is that dying from cancer is probably one of the worst ways to go. It is a slow, agonizing torturous way to die (Aunt died of throat cancer, 2 grandmothers of lung cancer. two grandfathers of heart attacks related to smoking and chewing tobacco, etc).

We also know that artificial sweeteners will give you cancer. That processed sugar will give you diabetes, high blood sugar. Make you grow fat. The high fructose corn syrup used in ALL american cokes, sodas is a great killer. Red meat. Mercury in fish. Pesticide covered fruits and vegetables. Cholesterol in eggs. Seafood. I mean...

You get my point? According to "studies" EVERYTHING is going to kill you. Including the AIR you breathe!

I read some ridiculous story the other week about some study that suggested broccoli was bad for you. I mean HUH? Broccoli??

All we can do is try, and based off of chest x-rays and improved breathing, vaping does seem to be a much better alternative than smoking a cigarette.

  • Cancer-causing chemicals in tobacco smoke
  • Tar - a mixture of dangerous chemicals
  • Arsenic - used in wood preservatives
  • Benzene - an industrial solvent, refined from crude oil
  • Cadmium - used in batteries
  • Formaldehyde - used in mortuaries and paint manufacturing
  • Polonium-210 - a highly radioactive element
  • Chromium - used to manufacture dye, paints and alloys
  • 1,3-Butadiene - used in rubber manufacturing
  • Polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons - a group of dangerous DNA-damaging chemicals
  • Nitrosamines - another group of DNA-damaging chemicals
  • Acrolein - formerly used as a chemical weapon
  • Other chemicals
  • Other poisons in cigarette smoke
  • Hydrogen cyanide - used as an industrial pesticide
  • Carbon monoxide - found in car exhausts and used in chemicals manufacturing
  • Nitrogen oxides - a major component of smog
  • Ammonia - used to make fertilisers and explosives
  • More poisons

Honestly, there could be a million chemicals in liquid, as long as none of them are going to cause me to die a horrible prolonged death, I'll just have to live with that because the alternative is way worse.

Tobacco in its most basic form is a vegetable, and tobacco in its most basic form has cancer causing properties when burned. In its most basic form it is 100% organic. So is wormwood, nightshade, and a lot of other deadly poisons. Big Tobacco companies just made it more lethal by adding chemicals that allowed our bodies to absorb the addictive properties of it more efficiently.
 
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That would be difficult to do.

There are things that are even needed to live but become toxic at certain levels.

Without salt we die, drinking water at the concentrations of ocean water and no way to dilute it will kill. Iodine is needed, too much and it is dangerous. Protein can be toxic.

Unless there are a lot of notes at the bottom of a list almost anything can be misunderstood.

Yes - but it has been done.

Here is a paper presenting some comparisons between the nitrosamine(s) content in tobacco cigarettes and e-cigarettes, an oldie but goodie (see Table 2):

Journal of Public Health Policy - Electronic cigarettes as a harm reduction strategy for tobacco control: A step forward or a repeat of past mistakes[quest]

Here is a link to the Drexel Study. More great info and published this year. Results are tabulated beginning on page 16:

http://publichealth.drexel.edu/~/media/Files/publichealth/ms08.pdf

......and if you want to see more, a link to the part of the CASAA site where you'll find much, much more; lab reports, clinical research, etc.

Learn About Electronic Cigarettes
 
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i still don't get why no study has been made that test for things in vapor, nicotine, etc. perhaps people are scared what they might find and perhaps more harmful that most people think? certainly not as bad as analogs, but still.. if everyone here put $5 towards paying a independent lab i'm sure it will answer all these questions that come up many times a day. right now everything is pure speculation..
 
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Im loving my two week old vaping experience however in all fairness the OP makes some valid points. I am personally concerned about more than cancer causing chemicals. I am concerned about mind, mood and behavior altering chemicals. I am concerned about health issues beyond cancer. I am concerned about alcohol content. I am concerned about disease and the safe handlng of any materials used in and during production of anything that I will ingest. I dont think asking questions about the contents of ejuice is an automtic attack on the use of vaporizing equipment or the industry. As I start buying e liquid etc the last thing I want to do is buy some juice mixed by some kid in his dirty basement using chemicals he "discovered". Some regulation is needed to make sure people are safe.
 

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I think the OP does bring up some interesting points and are something for us all to think about. But, the reality is that we take a 'chance' with just about every product we use whether it be 'fresh' produce or a building product for our home or an automobile. or legal drug, etc. What we trust as something being safe because it passed some inspection or meets all the 'rules' sometimes doesn't turn out to be that way. We live in a world of recalls and lawsuits.

As far as vaping goes, from everything I've read and using my own common sense, it's seems a whole lot less harmful to my health than cigarettes right now. Maybe sometime in the future, there will be discoveries that we don't know about but I'm willing to take the chance. I can only better my odds by purchasing liquids and equipment from manufacturers who 'seem' to care about quality and pay attention to what's going on through places like this.
 

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i still don't get why no study has been made that test for things in vapor, nicotine, etc. perhaps people are scared what they might find and perhaps more harmful that most people think? certainly not as bad as analogs, but still.. if everyone here put $5 towards paying a independent lab i'm sure it will answer all these questions that come up many times a day. right now everything is pure speculation..

Studies have been done on the content of ecig vapor. I will try to find the link and post them for you.

I snagged this link from another thread:

http://stevevape.com/top-10-studies-on-e-cigs-you-need-to-know-about/
 
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