How many would stop Vaping, if they knew it would help the cause?

[Lightgeoduck]

I was curious... would you exercise your freedom to choose, and stop vaping if you knew that it would help keep ecigs from being banned?Even if it wasn't your intent to quit in the first place?

If you were willing to stop vaping, would you still be a part of the community? would you stand up and take action?

I know people have quite everything entirely.. I have also made the attempt and lowered my vaping considerably. I don't consider myself much of an organizer or gatherer, but I imagine I would do what I can.

Have you thought about this as well? IF so, what ideas do you have that could help the cause?

IF there is already such thing organized, where can I join... I would make the attempt (well in my mind I think I would)

LGD

EDIT: PLEASE READ ON... There may have been a little confusion... I have added and/or changed some of my views, made some clarifications... plus interesting points have been made through out the thread....

 

[martha1014]

Do you mean stop vaping and start back smoking. I really don't want to stop vaping. I was unable to quit cigaretttes without ecig so I don't really think I could stop vaping at least for any period of time.

 

[Lightgeoduck]

NOOOO just stop completely . without going back to smoking

 

[Lightgeoduck]

I think it would be a very strong statement.. if enough people do it.. and use that as a positive for ecigs...

 

[Badfish20]

So, we should give up what we love, to keep something we love, that we cant use.

I dont think big tobacco will stop paying the FDA because some people stop vaping. They will still be losing money. You dont really think the states are banning this for safety or health reasons do you?

 

[Lightgeoduck]

So, we should give up what we love, to keep something we love, that we cant use.

I dont think big tobacco will stop paying the FDA because some people stop vaping. They will still be losing money. You dont really think the states are banning this for safety reasons do you?

I guess I will mark you down for a no?


No, I do crawl out from under my rock from time to time, so I understand the politics and big money involved in this... I am just saying if people are trying or willing to quit vaping.... wouldn't it be another Plus on our side.. if they/we/us were still pro-active in the fight...

I think the more people that are ignorant of the whole ecig thing and pass judgement.. would rethink their views and be more willing to see how helpful ecigs could be...

I am just thinking outside the box... and feel every little bit could help.

I mean it's not us that needs convincing.

 

[Hellen A. Handbasket]

Good point Ducky. I think we've lost many over the last year or so who have managed to quit smoking AND vaping. I'd bet they just don't come back here to ECF after a while.

It is good to remind people to continue to support everyone who chooses to vape.

I wonder if a poll would bring out who have quit everything (or plan to) and see if they're still here and active (signing petitions, etc.)?

 

[Lightgeoduck]

Good point Ducky. I think we've lost many over the last year or so who have managed to quit smoking AND vaping. I'd bet they just don't come back here to ECF after a while.

It is good to remind people to continue to support everyone who chooses to vape.

I wonder if a poll would bring out who have quit everything (or plan to) and see if they're still here and active (signing petitions, etc.)?

Yeah.. I know what you are saying.. I have seen a few say their good byes... I also understand how one would stop visiting a forum if they stopped both...

Hopefully the planners see this and keep it in the back of their mind..should they take the leap...

who knows

 

[Vocalek]

Lightgeoduck: It looks as if you have missed quite a few discussions. A sizeable number of us have absolutely no intention of stopping our use of nicotine--ever. Some of us become very ill, to the point of being dysfunctional; and these problems go on and on and on -- until we take up using nicotine again. Until e-cigarettes came along, tobacco cigarettes were the only products we knew that supplied us with adequate doses to control our symptoms. We didn't bother to try smokeless tobacco products because our government and all the 3-letter health organizations deceived us about the safety of those products.

Pharmaceutical companies are developing medications based on nicotine as a treatment for attention deficits, Alzheimer's Disease, Parkinson's Disease, fibromyalgia, depression, anxiety, and the side effects of medications for schizophrenia. For more information on this, see my blog: The Truth About Nicotine.

IMHO, by the time phama gets through with these chemicals, there will be many dangerous side effects that we users of reduced-harm alternatives are not experiencing by using the "natural" product.

Nicotine has many beneficial effects. Many folks like to use nicotine as a way to improve thier attention and concentration, even if they can function normally without it. Some say that it helps to clarify their thinking. If you take a look at the results of the CASAA survey, you will see that about 18% intend to quit nicotine altogether.

But do NOT ask everyone to do so. We are not all built alike.

 

[prr2freya]

Would I stop vaping if I knew that my stopping vaping would help the cause for vaping? No. it makes no sense. Boycotting something I enjoy and I want to be accepted is counterproductive.

But if I happen to stop vaping in the future simply because I no longer have the need or desire.. I would still fully support vaping as a smoking alternative. As a vapor or a former vaper.. I'm all for the personal freedom to choose what we put in our bodies so long as it is not harming someone else.. this includes smoking cigarettes outdoors or in your personal space.. just maybe not small rooms or dungeons if someone else is there who doesn't smoke

 

[Unperson]

If I stop taking in nicotine, I'll end up in jail.

Really!

 

[Lightgeoduck]

Lightgeoduck: It looks as if you have missed quite a few discussions. A sizeable number of us have absolutely no intention of stopping our use of nicotine--ever. Some of us become very ill, to the point of being dysfunctional; and these problems go on and on and on -- until we take up using nicotine again. Until e-cigarettes came along, tobacco cigarettes were the only products we knew that supplied us with adequate doses to control our symptoms. We didn't bother to try smokeless tobacco products because our government and all the 3-letter health organizations deceived us about the safety of those products.

Pharmaceutical companies are developing medications based on nicotine as a treatment for attention deficits, Alzheimer's Disease, Parkinson's Disease, fibromyalgia, depression, anxiety, and the side effects of medications for schizophrenia. For more information on this, see my blog: The Truth About Nicotine.

IMHO, by the time phama gets through with these chemicals, there will be many dangerous side effects that we users of reduced-harm alternatives are not experiencing by using the "natural" product.

Nicotine has many beneficial effects. Many folks like to use nicotine as a way to improve thier attention and concentration, even if they can function normally without it. Some say that it helps to clarify their thinking. If you take a look at the results of the CASAA survey, you will see that about 18% intend to quit nicotine altogether.

But do NOT ask everyone to do so. We are not all built alike.

I didn't miss those discussions, nor did I miss your blog. I would also agree with you that we are no all built alike.

I am NOT asking everyone to do it, I am asking IF one would. The Fact is there are people that are trying to quit everything, AND there are people that Have. Like you said in the survey 18% intend to quit (and that's just the ones that took the survey )

But I think the important point I was trying to make.. is the ones that are willing/trying to/ have quit everything entirely would one activily support the effort.

With everything that is already in place for the fight.. wouldn't one more flank help?


I am not hoping for everyone to agree to stop... I was just hoping that everyone would support the cause... This I feel is just one of many ways to do it..

 

[D103]

My concern re: this idea is that it would just be viewed by the general public and, in particular, the anti-smoking bunch as follows: "see we we're right all along, 'those people' just need to quit altogether and while they say that e-cigs helped them to quit the 'truth is'(the antis' version of truth) that they had really already made the decision to quit and using e-cigs just got in the way of finally doing that, in fact, prolonged their quitting altogether."
And the FDA would pounce on it and claim: " see, it is a smoking-cessation product and is being utilized for that very reason - and by virtue of it being a smoking cessation product, it is an 'Untested' smoking-cessation product and needs to be pulled from the marketplace until it is run through the proper number of clinical trials in order to 'assure' it's safety - net result of this - Defacto Ban!! Again, just my opinion. I don't think this would be a good idea for
the overall "cause" - though we, "former and current smokers" understand the purpose and value of the electronic cigarette, I firmly believe the general non-smoking public does not and those in opposition of this technology 'definitely DO Not', nor do they want to.

 

[NCC]

I honestly don't understand the point ... but, my answer is no.

If you're saying that having it be observed by non-vapers, that people eventually become free of nicotine via vaping would help prevent the banning of PVs ... I don't see that.

Also, if I understand the campaign correctly, the idea is to downplay the PV's role as a smoking cessation device, even though in fact that is by far its most common use. I don't fully understand this line of thinking either. (although, post #13 helps a bit)

I see great merit in a statement such as, "I used to smoke cigarettes, and I switched to a greatly less harmful way to feed my addiction."

I've seen a good number of posts relating to conversations with doctors who gave enthusiastic approval to replacing cigarettes with PVs, and not a single post where a doctor was less than approving. Perhaps I missed that one.

 

[Lightgeoduck]

My concern re: this idea is that it would just be viewed by the general public and, in particular, the anti-smoking bunch as follows: "see we we're right all along, 'those people' just need to quit altogether and while they say that e-cigs helped them to quit the 'truth is'(the antis' version of truth) that they had really already made the decision to quit and using e-cigs just got in the way of finally doing that, in fact, prolonged their quitting altogether."
And the FDA would pounce on it and claim: " see, it is a smoking-cessation product and is being utilized for that very reason - and by virtue of it being a smoking cessation product, it is an 'Untested' smoking-cessation product and needs to be pulled from the marketplace until it is run through the proper number of clinical trials in order to 'assure' it's safety - net result of this - Defacto Ban!! Again, just my opinion. I don't think this would be a good idea for
the overall "cause" - though we, "former and current smokers" understand the purpose and value of the electronic cigarette, I firmly believe the general non-smoking public does not and those in opposition of this technology 'definitely DO Not', nor do they want to.

Some of your points kind of crossed my mind... The rest I didn't see it that way until your wrote it...

You brought up some excellent points....

So what does one do if they quit everything? And know that ecigs was the only thing that could make that possible.. (if they tried everything else and failed) should they be silent?

What about the zero nic users?

I mean I understand the down play of it being ecigs as a quiting aid... since the sole purpose is an alternative to smoking.... but still I think everyone is doing all they can on pushing the right to vape... which by the way I support (incase anyone didn't know)



Please excuse my ignorance on this campaigning matter... I am not sure where I will be with my vaping... I know one thing for sure if I stop I will be stopping by my own free will and at MY chosen time...


Thanks for the input

 

[StormFinch]

Alright, I think I see your point Geo... hypothetically speaking.

Personally, I'm in Vocalek's corner. When I quit I sleep for 18 to 20 hours a day and am a zombie for the other 4 - 6. People don't like me when I quit, even 7 months after I quit. And, if you did like me, you wouldn't trust me with things like fire and sharp objects. Now maybe if it was to preserve vaping for my children, yeah, I'd have to go back to smoking but I'd do it. Fortunately they have a lot more brains than I did at their ages.

As to if I would stay at ECF and continue the fight even if I quit? Yeah, I believe I would, as long as there continued to be such a great community here. The people here a very special breed, and worth fighting for imho.

 

[D103]

NOT at ALL ignorant, lightgeoduck!! You bring up excellent questions - to which I have no answers, but I agree that together we all should consider them. What is the best way for those who've quit altogether to continue to support - as well as the many, who you mention vape zero nicotine (I apologize, I hadn't thought of them). There has got to be a way to include their stories, their experiences without, inadvertently, undermining our overall goal. I hope others will weigh in on this, as I've recognized there are thousands of caring, intelligent, creative people on this forum and surely we can come up with a sound comprehensive plan.

 

[sherid]

I have no idea how stopping vaping to save e cigs would possibly work. Please explain

 

[v1John]

People will smoke cigarettes even while they know it will kill them and even while they carry oxygen. What has happened now is that science advanced to the point where people can now smoke water and not get killed and deiseased from it.

(There is no longer a scientific need to stop, but some who stop could possibly go through the same garbage that cigarette quitters did in the past. Sure they feel better, but there is something about them that could range from subconscious anxiety to personality deficiencies or concentration, or attention problems or perhaps any of a multitude of things. Monoxide analogs would not be a problem, had they only contained PG water and nicotine, but they don't. That's why the scientific advancement of humanity found water cigarettes that do. Vaping is a life saver and extender.)

 

[Lightgeoduck]

I have no idea how stopping vaping to save e cigs would possibly work. Please explain

I am not sure either

But this is how I see it

For the people that are ignorant of the ecig idea to be educated and "swayed" to one view or another... they have to hear cases pled of all sides... and the creditibility of the person pleading their case would strengthen the possibility of persuation.

ecig advocate that smokes and vapes: +1 on supporting our rights and has "expert"/first hand knowledge

ecig advocate that switched from smoking and vapes: +1 same as above, plus example of benifits and an excellent alternative

ecig advocate that switched to vaping and then quit: +??? if they couldn't do it any other way......see this is where the gap can be bridged

for a "never-smoker"(not all but some) to put down the "ITS ALL BAD" wall... they will have to be approched with out any first hand prejudices (not all but some) have with even seeing someone vape...

I THINK if some heard it from a person that completely came off of "habit" they will be more open to suggestions.


It's just a thought ... and I am only trying to keep an open mind with all possibilities....


I understand the joys of vaping just like the next.. and I know everyone has there reasons and "goals" when it comes to vaping.. which we all can agree is what its about......

I just think this could be one path to go.. and a small step to the direction we all want to go....

will it make a difference...who knows... but still something to ponder

Edit: I wish I was as articulate as Don