How much 3 mg e-liquid equals a pack of cigarettes

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Thanks. Well, that sounds complex. I'm sure I could handle Ohm's law (current is voltage over resistance; I'm fairly sure I don't need Kirchhoff's reformulation in terms of current density, field strength, and conductivity, nor the quantum electrodynamic fundamental explanation involving wavelength vs lattice spacing etc.), but if battery safety is such a critical concern even without the uncontrolled variables of DIY cores, then I guess it might not be an ideal way to go.

My ability to understand the theory aside, I've never built electrical technology, and have no experience at it. I also wouldn't trust myself to perform the delicate manual tasks involved in DIY core building well enough to avoid defects if a defect can mean a battery explosion. Hence, the pre-built atty.

I had assumed that the Tricktank is simply compatible with the Pro Mech, as promotional pictures (manufacturer's website) show these mods with Tricktanks attached, and they do come from the same manufacturer, one which makes precious few other devices the tank might be intended for instead. On the other hand, a review I found online says the pin on the tank is not adjustable and not very long...

I'd also assumed that the firing button on a mech can be locked to prevent it firing in your pocket etc. Is that not the case? It would seem easy to implement something like a mechanical twist lock, latch, etc., and given how important the battery safety issue apparently is on mechs, it seems strange if that's not the case. I realize there's a certain element of I-can-do-it-myself pride in building and using a mech, but surely, there can be at least minimal safety features?

I'm not saying I have to buy from Vgod specifically (and I do realize they're more expensive than most others); but I've only looked at a few brands, and there's a lot out there, so right now my understanding of the market is somewhat limited. Still, from the Vgod site I did look at, their Pro 150 box mod doesn't seem too bad for a two-battery device.

I particularly like the fairly sober look (I'm not much for flashy designs; I prefer simple lines and a clean look, ideally in black or shades of gray for electronics), and that at least its shortest dimension is small (24 mm they say, which I guess is about as little as can fit an 18650 battery). The other two dimensions are, in fact, smaller than the metal cigarette case I usually carry (about 100 x 80 mm the case vs 77 x 56 mm the box), so I guess even with another ~35 mm of an RDTA attached, it's still technically "pocket size" (since the RDTA only covers a fraction of the box's depth dimension).

So the only issue is the weight. The manufacturer doesn't mention it, but how much can a two-battery compact box like this weigh? 250 g including the pair of batteries and atomizer, maybe?

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Hence, the pre-built atty.
Even pre-built coils need to be measured for resistance. They are no "safer" than a home made coil. You can never assume they are what they claim to be.

And you still have to follow Ohm's Law even if you are using pre-built coils. If the amp draw of the coil is higher than the amp rating of the battery you are using, then that is misuse/abuse of the battery.

at least its shortest dimension is small (24 mm they say, which I guess is about as little as can fit an 18650 battery). The other two dimensions are, in fact, smaller than the metal cigarette case I usually carry (about 100 x 80 mm the case vs 77 x 56 mm the box), so I guess even with another ~35 mm of an RDTA attached, it's still technically "pocket size
Manageable. ;)
Pro 150 box mod:
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I'd also assumed that the firing button on a mech can be locked to prevent it firing in your pocket etc. Is that not the case? It would seem easy to implement something like a mechanical twist lock, latch, etc., and given how important the battery safety issue apparently is on mechs, it seems strange if that's not the case. I realize there's a certain element of I-can-do-it-myself pride in building and using a mech, but surely, there can be at least minimal safety features?
You'll be surprised of the number of mech mods that do not have a locking fire button (the VGod has not, it has a flush mounted non-locking fire button -- dangerous for a pocket), properly situated vent holes (the VGod does have vent holes), a non-conductive sleeve for the battery recepticle (VGod has that), or a safety fuse (the VGod has none).
 
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IDK. Everyone's different. I kind of don't thing that more than the vaguest guidelines (within ranges) should be applied, honestly. It's.... Your body is going to react differently to vaping than smoking. A lot of folks chain vape in the beginning, or keep a tank of super high nicotine for stressful times. I think just taking a sort of "guideline" for number of cigarettes smoked and MTL vs DL etc., and going from there is your best bet.

I mean, obviously, don't overdo it, and start on the low side of things, but there isn't really a way to find the "right" nicotine level immediately a certain amount of experimentation should take place. I was sub0hming when I got here on 12 m.g. of nicotine it was WAY too much, even as a 3 ppd smoker. I kind of went to 16 m.g. MTL, and wound up "landing" on 18 which works for my current situation. If I were in a work situation where I only got periodic breaks or something, I might want a higher nicotine setup.... That day will come for me, I'm just not sure when.

But, everyone's needs are different. The husband smoked probably a half pack a day. He's at around 16 m.g. in a MTL tank, but he doesn't vape as frequently as I do. So it's just this very variable thing. I have a fiendish hand to mouth issue, (since birth it sometimes seems). Chain vaping is a part of my life, and I Do.Not.Care. etc.

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Thanks all! I'll go with your advice and stick with the 3 mg. (Actually, I already mixed some homemade liquid yesterday that I set at 4 mg to see if there's a difference; I'll see how that goes, I can always dilute it.) Since some of you said you use over 10 ml per day at that strength without ill effect, and, given how much I smoke, I certainly should have a fair tolerance for nicotine by now, I guess I'll stop worrying about anything below that amount.

Right now I'm at about 4-5 ml / day, combined with about 10 regular cigarettes (less than half my all-smokes consumption). I'd been worried that I might be overdoing it, but from what you say and from the numbers above, it seems 10 ml @ 3 mg might fix me up fine assuming no cigarettes.

As far as the battery, yeah, if I stay with this habit, I'll probably invest (some of the massive amounts of money I'd be saving compared to cigarettes) in a more serious device.

A propos, on the one hand, a box mod would be nice in that it has (usually) dual batteries and a lot of optional settings; on the other, I don't think I'd care for the bulk. It doesn't matter at home of course, but when I'm out, I usually dress in jacket, shirt, pants as my "casual" outfit (guess I'm just unusual that way :) ), which doesn't have many pocketses and all bulges show. I try to avoid hauling a bag around whenever I can, and I do my best to only take essentials I really need.

I was thinking I might try to go for a mech mod - not so much for the ability to DIY cores (not feeling up to that, at least, not yet), but because it has replaceable batteries while retaining a compact format that you can keep in a jacket or pants pocket. Something like the Vgod Pro Mech, for which you can get the Tricktank, which accepts ready-made cores. And if I ever decide to DIY the cores, I'd only need to replace the atty (IMO the Tricktank doesn't take DIY).

I'd still have to haul around replacement batteries, but a single free battery (that you can put in some other, as-yet unused pocket) is probably still more practical than a box mod. Also, while I don't particularly mind if people stare, a mech tube is still a lot less conspicuous than a big hulking box.

Now, since I've got y'all here, I might as well ask if you think what I outlined above is a workable solution. Particularly, I've heard that with mech mods, you need to understand electrical engineering a bit to avoid pulling a Galaxy Note 7 (blown battery :) ); and I don't really trust myself with that, at least as far as home-built cores go.

However, if I use a tank with ready-made cores, I should avoid most of the risks of a mech, right? It should then be mostly about getting the right battery for the core (IIRC it's a 0.2 Ohm core with 80W design output - BTW, is that enough?) and making sure not to over-discharge it... or am I missing something?

Thanks again
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I highly recommend getting a regulated mod over a mechanical mod. With mechanical mods, there is very little safety measures. I have tried that route, and although it's "neat" to do, it's limiting and dangerous to use. Mech mods became popular back in the beginning of Ecig days because back then, it was the only way to get higher wattages. Now a days, they have regulated mods that can push the boundries of many batteries, and have safety measures put in. Even if you're safe, and know what you're doing, you're only human, and one accident can go very bad with a mechanical mod.

I still recommend a dual battery (or higher) mod, especially for .2 ohms. If I run 4.2 volts (the average voltage most people vape at) with a .2 ohm coil through Ohms Law Calculator, I get 21 amps and 88 watts. That's pretty much the max on the single battery mods. You'll have to make sure you run safe batteries, and even then, you're running that battery at max output. Your battery life will be not so good, and it will diminish the lifespan of the battery. If you run a dual battery mod, that 21 amps will be split between two batteries, so you'll be running each battery at 10 amps... which is a much more respectable level. If I had to rough guess, I'd say you'd get three times the battery life out of a dual battery mod compared to a single battery mod.

If you wish to get a rough idea of what goes on, and what is needed, I highly suggest a bit of reading. There is a guy named Mooch that does actual testing of batteries to determine which ones are safe. His blog is HERE. then go to Ohms Law Calculator and punch in the voltage and ohms you like. A freshly charged battery is about 4.2 volts, and many vapers prefer to vape at that level. Look at mooch's battery list and see what the maximum amperage discharge the batteries are, and what MaH they can take. You'll start to see the limitations there, and give you a rough idea of why I recommend 2 batteries over a single.
 

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I'd also assumed that the firing button on a mech can be locked to prevent it firing in your pocket etc. Is that not the case? It would seem easy to implement something like a mechanical twist lock, latch, etc., and given how important the battery safety issue apparently is on mechs, it seems strange if that's not the case. I realize there's a certain element of I-can-do-it-myself pride in building and using a mech, but surely, there can be at least minimal safety features?

Yes, there are several mech mods that use a twist type locking device, but even those are prone to mix ups. Let me share one experience I had with them.

I have about 2-3 mech mods. one is an Origen clone, and the other is a Caravela Clone. Both were well made, and they both have twist locks with them. I prefer the Caravela simply because it had a smaller form factor, so I decided to take my Caravela on a trip. Since the Caravela was easy to lock and unlock, it was the mod I used while driving. I built a .7 ohm coil in my Fogger atomizer, and ran Sony VTC3 (30 amp) battery. Everything was well within safety limits, and I made sure I locked it every time I put it in the cupholder. while driving through a town, We came to a park, and decided to stop off and get something to eat at the park. When I reached down to grab my mod, it was blazingly hot. I had to pickup the mod with a paper towel it was so hot. I can only guess that it was not locked (maybe due to the car vibrating?) But, it was probably going of for probably 30 minutes straight. Heat of the battery + heat of the coils made the mod super hot. It was enough to split the heat shrink of the battery. That got me thinking what would've happened if I didn't take every precaution I did... things could have ended up worse. I went back to my regulated device after that.

So, I've learned that Mechanicals, even though small, aren't necessarily the best choice... accidents do happen. They're still fun to use, but I wouldn't use them as a main device. With regulated mods, they have an inherently safe setup. To my knowlege, all of them have an amp limit (usually 20 amp), and a shutoff timer of 10-15 seconds. Combined with a safe 20amp battery, they're much safer. I still try not to go higher than half the battery's amp limit to keep things one notch higher on the "safety stick" I've yet to have any saefty problems besides that incident above.
 
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The Jac Series B is an elegant classy mod that would suit your style and keep you safe. Paired with the right tank/coil will last you a full day. An attractive smaller regulated dual battery device is the Think Vape Exus Ark. Have had mine a year or so now and very pleased with my purchase. The Eleaf Invoke is a very small lightweight device that is well thought of as well.
 

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The Jac Series B is an elegant classy mod that would suit your style and keep you safe. Paired with the right tank/coil will last you a full day. An attractive smaller regulated dual battery device is the Think Vape Exus Ark. Have had mine a year or so now and very pleased with my purchase. The Eleaf Invoke is a very small lightweight device that is well thought of as well.
My vote is for the Eleaf Invoke. Even tho it is dual 18650 batteries, it is very light weight.
 

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My vote is for the Eleaf Invoke. Even tho it is dual 18650 batteries, it is very light weight.
Not my style but seems to be a great little mod. I'm a leather and silver lover myself, hence the Ark. Lighter and smaller than the Therions. Nice out and about mod when a lot of walking is required. I don't like to carry a purse when walking about. Ark and a 15-30ml unicorn fit nicely in the back pocket of my jeans or a phone holder.
 

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IMO... it really doesn't matter what mod, hitter or mech your using. Its the atty or delivery system and if your totally utilizing it. If your getting headaches its too much nic, coddling the atty like a tit then not enough nic. You have to find that balance to enjoy vaping. Rebuilding provides a much better quality vape than factory heads so you have to have the nic level that satisfies but not over power the body. Learning not to inhale those cloudz hits also helps since the mouth absorbs not as good as lungs but still gets nic into the body. Many factors determine your nic strength to be happy vaper so nothing can be written in stone to determine your nic level...just trial and error.
The amount of nic in vaping vs smoking is all assumptions that has to be taken with a grain of salt that in my case my body told me very quickly and efficiently whether I had too much or not enough nic.
 
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I'd still have to haul around replacement batteries, but a single free battery (that you can put in some other, as-yet unused pocket) is probably still more practical than a box mod. Also, while I don't particularly mind if people stare, a mech tube is still a lot less conspicuous than a big hulking box.
Welcome and glad you joined.
Might want to read:
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I really don't consider the nicotine to be that dangerous. My doctor said that it isn't the nicotine, it is the other 1000s of chemicals that are inhaled in the process. Thinking of "light" cigs, what, less nicotine? What about the rest of the cig?

Anyway, I started by vaping 3-4 hits and sitting the vaporizer out of my sight. My body told me when I needed more. For me, it ended up being 3-4 per 45-50 minutes through that day that I didn't really leave the house. And, it was old equipment, not sub-ohming in any sense of the word. If I remember correctly, they were 2.2 ohm drop-in coils on a Protank 1.

Along with all the other variables, TV watching and breakfast coffee had me vaping more. Just something in my fidgety hands or waking up, I think. Anyway, I got my routine.

Now, if my initial testing was 50mg nic juice and I didn't feel like vaping for the rest of the week, I would have lowered it just so I could enjoy the vape flavor a bit more often. On the other hand, if I was doing 3-4 draws every 15 minutes with 1mg juice, I would raise the nic content. I do have a life and I hated that cigs got in the way. So I wanted to get my vaping (nic content) down so that I wasn't vaping constantly. Took about a year.

It depends on a lot of variables like draw style, how long I leave the vapor in my mouth/lung/nose, equipment, etc. It took me a week to notice some things, but just listening to my body was a lot. Nic is pretty addictive. Your body will talk to you when it needs a another dose. After a month or two, consider taking a step down in nic.

Go slow, have fun, it makes for a great hobby.
 
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If 1 cigarette is 1 mg of nic than 1 pack would roughly equal 6.5 ml of ejuice with 3mg of nic. There is no lower level than 3mg but what you can do is buy a bottle of each 0mg and 3mg to make 1.5mg or you can use the nic pods. The pods raise a 60ml bottle up 3mg so if you had a 120ml with 0mg adding the pod would make it 1.5mg
 
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