How much is too much?

[patkin]

I inherited chronic gastritis and take a prescribed Prilosec-type pill everyday. Smoking too much (2 PAD) or vaping too much 24mg caused stomach aches so I know it was causing acid drip in spite of meds. I don't have that problem with 12mg and can chain vape it.

 

[wv2win]

Everybody is different and you seem to have a unusual resistance to nicotine. Nicotine is a drug and a poison so less you use better for you in the long run. New vapers should not start at 36 mg , they should start at the lowest concentration and work their way up or down depending on cravings. Most of the people here are trying to shake the monkey not to swap it for a gorilla. Most of the vendors don't even sell 36 mg and that is wise on their side because if something happens with a vaper will happen at the high concentration not at 6-12 mg. IMHO advocating for new vapers to start at 36 is irresponsible at the best as they don't know how their body will actually take the effects of nicotine.



Wrong ! TH is a combination of Nicotine burn , PG irritation and flavour irritation on your lungs. Some flavours contain Capsaicin to increase the Th without upping the nicotine .




I think you should re-consider your ranges , starting that high is of no value whatsoever and can be harmful with some people or just put them off because they won't enjoy TH , I am not a TH junky more a flavour and habit addict.



Some people are fast learners , some are not , I met vapers with 1-2 years of "experience" , store owners nevertheless, who had nothing to offer in terms of guidance , I am not referring to you but 5 months can be a long time for some people specially if they spent a lot of time researching and learning and have a good understanding of what's actually going on so don't discard an opinion based solely on length of vaping time.

It is hard to understand how a newb with a few months of experience and has unlikely read hundreds of thousands of posts on this topic, as well has not talked to hundred+ vapers seems to think you know what the typical new vaper (on average) needs to transition successfully to vaping.

Second, I never recommended this new person start out at 36mg nic eliquid and never had suggested a new person start at that level. I do know many who use that level without an issue. You making them out to be weak or wrong is the type of attitude which helps no one but just makes them feel more stigmitized.

Third, due to your lack of knowledge, there is NO additive that duplicates the TH from nicotine. If there was, we would all know about it and it would be everywhere. Using capsaicin/pepper is a joke unless you like a searing, burning, irritating in your throat, which is not what the vast majority of vapers want from their eliquid when they want a good TH. A group of about 30 of us tried all of these additives (Flash, pepper, PGA, etc) 2 - 3 years ago in an experiment to see if we could accurately duplicate the TH from nicotine. It didn't work or was even close. That is why you don't see it raved about on the vaping forums. But then you are not concerned with accuracy as to what works for most and what doesn't. And as you stated, you don't like TH and thus don't see it as important to most vapers and think any old substance can provide TH. You lend credence to the old adage of "the blind leading the blind". Why would anyone want advice on what provides good TH from someone who doesn't even care about TH? If I have read one post on some new member wanting good TH, I have read 1000. Your bias is obvious and not helping the average person who is trying to make that initial transition.

Fourth, my 18mg - 24mg range is right on the mark based on all the factual information I have read and recieved over the last 4 years. And as I pointed out, which you ignored, it is easy to reduce the nic level in whatever eliquid you have, but it is impossible to make it stronger. I have read and talked to more vapers who state their eliquid was not suffcient enough to get them to transition than those who found the nic to be too much. And considering how easy it is to reduce the nic strength, and how it is not possible to make it stronger, logic dictates to start a little high and reduce if necessary.

Fifth, your fear-mongering on the unfounded dangers of nicotine, at the levels used for vaping, does nothing but hurt the vaping community. If thousands of vapers were being admitted to hospitals due to nicotine overdoses, you might have a point. But the reality is, people should use the nicotine level that works for them to keep them off of analogs because it isn't a problem.

Stigimitizing and scaring people over the level of the nicotine they use to stay clear of smoking is doing them a disservice.

 

[Racehorse]

Stigimitizing and scaring people over the level of the nicotine they use to stay clear of smoking is doing them a disservice.

Over nic-ing somebody is really scary. If you've ever seen or dealt with somebody who has symptoms of nicotine poisioning it is scary.

What we should all take away from this is that newbies shouldn't give out advice to their friends about nic levels until they are well-informed. There is a formula for determining a starting nic level, and it is useful.

Had the friend who was helping the OP used it, she wouldn't have had to go thru all that nausea and dizziness, which in and of itself, is not to be taken lightly.

 

[Caridwen]

There are many people who vape 36mg eliquid. 6-12mg is considered VERY low and for many would condem them to going back to analogs! Not every one is like you!

The average nic strength used based on numerous polls is 16mg - 24mg. If 36 is too high, then I would suggest stepping it down a few strengths at a time. Try some 24mg and then some 18mg.

The average ml vaped daily is 3ml - 5ml.

True.

When I started I ordered the same e-liquid in 12 mg & 24 mg. That way I could increase/decrease the nicotine as needed. Many need high nicotine to get over the 'hump' and quit cigarettes. Once you do that comfortably with no cravings, you can decrease if you like.

 

[Caridwen]

From ECF Info Zone-

E-liquid strength
If you are a heavy smoker of high tar cigarettes, you will need a minimum of 24mg strength eliquid, and may find 36mg is better. As ecigarettes seem to have less nicotine per unit volume of vapor than cigarettes, a higher strength than might be thought at first may be necessary when you first attempt to get off cigarettes.

Another factor is that new users tend to have an inefficient technique, along with not knowing how to set up their equipment properly, so that in general the results are less efficient than should be the case (as has been proven by two clinical research trials).

Obviously this differs per person based on varying factors. And I think the clinical trials spoken of were based on mini's.

 

[fourtytwo]

I don't think that all this bickering is helping the OP here.
Can we, pretty much, agree that reducing the nic level would be a good first step in this case?

 

[Dansauls]

36 mg is a little over the top for a light smoker.
Cut your ejuice in 1/2 with VG or PG and give that a try

 

[look30]

It is hard to understand how a newb with a few months of experience and has unlikely read hundreds of thousands of posts on this topic, as well has not talked to hundred+ vapers seems to think you know what the typical new vaper (on average) needs to transition successfully to vaping.

Second, I never recommended this new person start out at 36mg nic eliquid and never had suggested a new person start at that level. I do know many who use that level without an issue. You making them out to be weak or wrong is the type of attitude which helps no one but just makes them feel more stigmitized.

Third, due to your lack of knowledge, there is NO additive that duplicates the TH from nicotine. If there was, we would all know about it and it would be everywhere. Using capsaicin/pepper is a joke unless you like a searing, burning, irritating in your throat, which is not what the vast majority of vapers want from their eliquid when they want a good TH. A group of about 30 of us tried all of these additives (Flash, pepper, PGA, etc) 2 - 3 years ago in an experiment to see if we could accurately duplicate the TH from nicotine. It didn't work or was even close. That is why you don't see it raved about on the vaping forums. But then you are not concerned with accuracy as to what works for most and what doesn't. And as you stated, you don't like TH and thus don't see it as important to most vapers and think any old substance can provide TH. You lend credence to the old adage of "the blind leading the blind". Why would anyone want advice on what provides good TH from someone who doesn't even care about TH? If I have read one post on some new member wanting good TH, I have read 1000. Your bias is obvious and not helping the average person who is trying to make that initial transition.

Fourth, my 18mg - 24mg range is right on the mark based on all the factual information I have read and recieved over the last 4 years. And as I pointed out, which you ignored, it is easy to reduce the nic level in whatever eliquid you have, but it is impossible to make it stronger. I have read and talked to more vapers who state their eliquid was not suffcient enough to get them to transition than those who found the nic to be too much. And considering how easy it is to reduce the nic strength, and how it is not possible to make it stronger, logic dictates to start a little high and reduce if necessary.

Fifth, your fear-mongering on the unfounded dangers of nicotine, at the levels used for vaping, does nothing but hurt the vaping community. If thousands of vapers were being admitted to hospitals due to nicotine overdoses, you might have a point. But the reality is, people should use the nicotine level that works for them to keep them off of analogs because it isn't a problem.

Stigimitizing and scaring people over the level of the nicotine they use to stay clear of smoking is doing them a disservice.

Take it easy dude...

 

[wv2win]

I don't think that all this bickering is helping the OP here.
Can we, pretty much, agree that reducing the nic level would be a good first step in this case?

I agree and why I suggested the OP step it down by degrees. But I also don't want the OP to think if they feel the need to vape more than 12mg nic eliquid, they are outside the norm.

 

[wv2win]

True.

When I started I ordered the same e-liquid in 12 mg & 24 mg. That way I could increase/decrease the nicotine as needed. Many need high nicotine to get over the 'hump' and quit cigarettes. Once you do that comfortably with no cravings, you can decrease if you like.

This is what I usually tell a new person also. Get some high and get some low and then mix them if need be.

 

[wv2win]

Take it easy dude...

I will when you stop scaring people and telling them that no one needs eliquid over 12mg strength.

How about you read and learn and realize everyone is different and we all don't fit into your neat little cubes.

 

[patkin]

A new vaper may enjoy vaping more than smoking and do it more often than they smoked. Beginning low and either increasing if needed or reserving an increase sporadically for cravings is wiser than starting out with high mgs and risking side effects from over-vaping. Everything in moderation is always the way to go.

Edit: Pssn contests should be limited to size/price/brand of setups, level of voltage or price/brand of juice but never entered into with nic strengths.

 

[Train2]

Without going into a gazillion different points, I just want to concur with several posters that 36 is a VERY high nic level.
Most people don't vape it without diluting, and many juice vendors don't even sell it - they stop at 24.
As you werent' a heavy smoker, it seems you're probably going to substantially increase your intake by using that strength.
Many of us find we vape more than we smoked - because it's enjoyable, because we don't think it's as harmful, and because you CAN vape places you couldn't smoke, etc. So you may want to consider that too...

Bottom line - I'd blend in 0 or low nic, and try 12 or 18 or something as a more appropriate starting point...

Me, I went from smoking probably 30 cigarettes a day to vaping 24 mg, and had no "withdrawal" at all, so I figure I must have either been getting as much or more nicotine from vaping.

I have 36 mg 80/20 and the hit is too harsh for me. I am going to order 0 mg 20/80 in the same flavors to mix in.

I read that a cigarette has about 9mg of nicotine in it. If that is true I was smoking about 54-72 mg a day. With the 36 mg and vaping 1.5 ml that is about 54 mg per day. So from my calculations it is about the same (please correct me if I am wrong!!) but I do want to be lower. I really am enjoying the vaping.

 

[wv2win]

A new vaper may enjoy vaping more than smoking and do it more often than they smoked. Beginning low and either increasing if needed or reserving an increase sporadically for cravings is wiser than starting out with high mgs and risking side effects from over-vaping. Everything in moderation is always the way to go.

Having some of both seems more prudent to me.

 

[wv2win]

Here is a new study on nicotine posted by CASAA. There are a number of benefits to using nicotine:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-not-addictive-according-recent-research.html

 

[Train2]

....he said "stigimitizing" ....
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[patkin]

Having some of both seems more prudent to me.

That's what I said.

 

[JimzDogz]

I apologize...the last thing i want to do is give someone bad information. I was only basing that on my own experiences

Maybe I should try that 36mg/ml mix, since I kind of enjoy vivid dreams.

 

[Ryan1888]

I'll just reiterate what has already been stated:

36mg juice is extremely strong and personally for the amount you smoked is seriously not needed. That said, everyone has different tasted and nicotine tolerance and as such, maybe try a few small sample bottles in 6, 12 and 18mg strength to figure out what is the correct amount for your nicotine needs.

 

[Ryan1888]

As a comparison - I smoked between 1 - 2 packs per day and started on 12mg