How often do I need to change my cotton and clean the coils?

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Wismec-devices are known to jump from TC into VW-mode. That happens mostly with large an/or complex coils.

TC-wires in general aren't longlasting as a whole, because dryburning is a nogo and you'll never get them 100% clean again.
Kanthal is a lot more forgiving and much easier to service.
 

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Yeah TC mode is weird on a lot of devices. It has thrown my brother into VW mode on the Paranormal dna 250. We had to send it in. It came back recently and it worked well for a few days but now TC mode is acting up again. My cousin has been thrown out of TC mode on a Wismec p80. The Pulse is finicky with TC mode. My old Cuboid would throw me out of TC mode. I bought the smoke GX 2/4 a while ago. TC mode did not even work on it. I sent it back.

Sounds like you’ve experienced a few wonky devices – it happens. But that brush can’t be used to paint all of TC as being inaccurate or finicky. One just has to spend some time reading the threads here on ECF to see there are many satisfied TC users – some even using Titanium wire.

Will admidt that more attention is needed with a Titanium coil vs say Kanthal – but we can assume that those who use Ti have made a selective choice to do so therefore they understand the extra needed attention. May not be the best metal for you, but it does suit many users needs.
 

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Sounds like you’ve experienced a few wonky devices – it happens. But that brush can’t be used to paint all of TC as being inaccurate or finicky. One just has to spend some time reading the threads here on ECF to see there are many satisfied TC users – some even using Titanium wire.

Will admidt that more attention is needed with a Titanium coil vs say Kanthal – but we can assume that those who use Ti have made a selective choice to do so therefore they understand the extra needed attention. May not be the best metal for you, but it does suit many users needs.
90% of the devices I have had had some weird issue with TC mode. I have been vaping for about 10 years. I have been through my share of devices.

I mean I'll agree with you in terms of metal allergies. But there are other options. I think Ti is an unnecessary risk.
 

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90% of the devices I have had had some weird issue with TC mode. I have been vaping for about 10 years. I have been through my share of devices.

I mean I'll agree with you in terms of metal allergies. But there are other options. I think Ti is an unnecessary risk.
Some people like TC and that's all they use. Personally I like power mode much better. To each their own.
 

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just for the record. I am a TC user. I have been one since it came out.
That's cool. I only have one mod that I like using for tc. I just don't like tc as much as power. For me it really doesn't matter because my favorite coils are made from nichrome80.
 

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I've been using my squonk more often but haven't changed the cotton/rayon for a couple of weeks. The flavor is still good and nothing seems to be different from when I first built the rdas but I'm thinking I should probably change it and clean the coils anyway. How often do y'all change and clean?

"Which RDA is best?" ...

"Which is best, regulated or mechanical mods?" ...

Questions like these confound folks. There's all answers & no answers to these kind of questions. Could tell you if it's all tasting alright to you keep on vaping it and only worry if it starts tasting funky. That is probably the most subjective and oddly honest answer. Subjectivity and speculation hinder finding the one perfect answer.

Been running a coil with some rayon wick in the Gorge. I know it has been in there untouched except some minor maintenance trimming of the rayon, about three weeks now. The caveat/s in that are I vape modestly & use unflavored juice, mostly on mechanical mods that do not likely go over 50 wats although I'm inclined to think they may only push about 30.

No, I cannot back that estimate of watts up. That's why it's an estimate, a guess. At any given not sure I could tell you anything but that as far swapping wick, cleaning/changing coils. There's too many variables to consider honestly. All you can do is listen to what your vape tells you and oblige yourself to that.

I'm also vaping a Smok tfv4 mini with single coil Clapton coil. Should I change out that cotton and clean the coil as often as the rdas or would it be different since it's a rba?

I think I'll let the answer given above fit here as well.
 

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Are you kidding me? Rayon doesn't alter anything and Morten Oen is the biggest con man out there.
For me Rayon does alter the balance of the flavor. Of all the vapers I have met in person (I have met quite a few, as selling vaping products online has been banned in my country shortly after I started vaping 1 year and 10 months ago), nobody is using rayon. Further, at the time when Morten Oen started posting his YouTube videos about coil positioning and airflow, I had already been positioning my coils the same way for more than several months, and I don't own any of the atomizers designed by him nor am trying to discuss anything related to them, but instead, I'm trying to point out the coil positioning with regards to airflow that he described is what generally works best for me, both in terms of flavor and how the vape feels, and, because the whole surface of the coil is cooled directly and evenly, I'm experiencing noticeably slower gunking and slower cooking the cotton fibers to mush compared to those who, in a side airflow RDA, adjust their aiflow in such a way that there's practically no restrictiveness there at all and position their coils slightly higher and at a farther distance away from the air holes. Whether you think Morten is a con man is both utterly irrelevant to me and heavily off topic.
 

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For me Rayon does alter the balance of the flavor. Of all the vapers I have met in person (I have met quite a few, as selling vaping products online has been banned in my country shortly after I started vaping 1 year and 10 months ago), nobody is using rayon. Further, at the time when Morten Oen started posting his YouTube videos about coil positioning and airflow, I had already been positioning my coils the same way for more than several months, and I don't own any of the atomizers designed by him nor am trying to discuss anything related to them, but instead, I'm trying to point out the coil positioning with regards to airflow that he described is what generally works best for me, both in terms of flavor and how the vape feels, and, because the whole surface of the coil is cooled directly and evenly, I'm experiencing noticeably slower gunking and slower cooking the cotton fibers to mush compared to those who, in a side airflow RDA, adjust their aiflow in such a way that there's practically no restrictiveness there at all and position their coils slightly higher and at a farther distance away from the air holes. Whether you think Morten is a con man is both utterly irrelevant to me and heavily off topic.
Pretty much like everything you post is irrelevant. No need to respond. You've made it to the ignore list where you belong.
 

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Pretty much like everything you post is irrelevant. No need to respond. You've made it to the ignore list where you belong.
Here's another irrelevant post. Maybe dripster worded it wrong- I don't think rayon alters a flavor any more than cotton alters it. But they're different from eachother - all wicking materials have different properties, and produce a different quality vape. He's not the only one to notice that.

To @Anise 's question on when to change: I'd say that depends on why you want to change it. Probably most don't change it until they notice the flavor changing or degrading. So doffy's recommendation is spot on- if you don't notice a difference after rewicking at 30 ml, no need to rebuild/wick as soon as 30 ml. But if you're concerned about vaping the impurities that build up in the wick and coil, you might follow Bombastinator's advice and change when it looks like a lot of buildup.

Back to the rayon - I used it for a while, but don't anymore, because it tends to deliver a sharper flavor, compared to the softer characteristic of muji or cotton bacon. For me, it just tastes better with tobaccos. I hear some say that the higher notes rayon produces fit better with citrus. You could say rayon does last longer for a couple of reasons. It's a smoother, straighter fiber, which makes it a more efficient wicking medium. But that also means it filters out fewer of the impurities, and delivers them to the coil. So depending on the juice you use, the wick itself may last longer, but can contribute to a coil fouling sooner. Hence the arguments about whether rayon actually lasts longer....it only lasts until you replace it.

Rayon also has a higher resistance to heat, so it's less likely to char when chain vaping without tc.
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My Only advise is if your set-up starts to Looks like this...

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... then it is probably a Good Time to break out your Build Kit.

The coils look like they haven't been cleaned in between rewicking. The wicks aren't black enough for the kind of coil gunkage. My wicks for any of my darker liquids look like that after about 10mls - roughly how much liquid it takes for them to break in and stop tasting of cotton. With lighter liquids obviously by the time I change the cotton (I am lazy and probably don't do it quite often enough I'll admit) they look like that.

I kept the same coils on one device for a year because the screws snapped during installation and had another of the same rda (The Devil) which I changed the coils on bi-monthly and always used the same juice on them. Only after a year was there a noticeable difference between the two and not in terms of flavour but rather how hard they hit on a mechanical mod.

I go by how often I have to add juice - if I have to add juice after 3 hits despite the wicks looking saturated and its a tight balance between getting dry hits and leaking then its definitely time to change the wicks. Even then I'll leave it until the weekend.
 

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Here's another irrelevant post. Maybe dripster worded it wrong- I don't think rayon alters a flavor any more than cotton alters it. But they're different from eachother - all wicking materials have different properties, and produce a different quality vape. He's not the only one to notice that.
In another thread recently he was knocking on the Reload X RDA by saying that it isn't worth the money and that you should just buy the clone instead, as the clone is "the same as the authentic" he said, but when I asked him which clone (there are several ones out there), his reply was he gave his clone away and so he couldn't remember which one was "the same". I searched, only to find out there exists no such thing as a 1:1 clone of this particular RDA that you can find by googling, and there exists no clone of it that differs from the authentic in only the aesthetics. This isn't the first time he does this kind of thing, either. So please don't feed the troll.

Yes of course a lot of people have noticed rayon alters the flavor balance because yes of course that's exactly what a lot of people are saying, and are saying it because it's obviously very true. But not everyone will notice the difference of course, just like there are people who don't notice the difference between an authentic and a clone that isn't even a 1:1 clone, and, even though there's nothing wrong with a person not being capable to notice it, those trying to discredit me and everybody else who does notice certain things should seriously consider to rethink their trolling strategy IMHO.
 

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I had a really hard time tasting my vape as I was leaking liberally all over my mods constantly with cotton, so it's hard for me to say it tastes BETTER, there may probably be some sort of minute differences for some people. I mean, we are all different.

I go by taste unless it's just been redonkoulusly long. I mean, why worry when you can change it? That's the beauty of rayon though. Among, you know, other things.

Sometimes I change when you know, I feel like it's been awhile and I need the practice to maintain the "feel" but I have way too many setups going.. Etc.

Anna
 

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I'd like to add that sometimes I get the urge to use a retired rda and it's been so long that I don't want to risk vaping whatever could have built up on there since last vaping it, so I change the cotton and realise it needs to break in but the urge to use said rda is never strong enough to wait for it to break in. Then a few months later, I get the urge to use said retired rda again and realise I'll need to change the cotton and decide it's not actually worth it :p
 

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I'd like to add that sometimes I get the urge to use a retired rda and it's been so long that I don't want to risk vaping whatever could have built up on there since last vaping it, so I change the cotton and realise it needs to break in but the urge to use said rda is never strong enough to wait for it to break in. Then a few months later, I get the urge to use said retired rda again and realise I'll need to change the cotton and decide it's not actually worth it :p
The break-in of Cotton Bacon Prime takes only a few hits, really. I moved from Cotton Bacon 2.0 to Native Wicks Platinum Blend mainly because the latter is noticeably cleaner tasting, but right off the bat Cotton Bacon Prime tastes even cleaner than it, and wicks juice faster into the coils in addition to that so as long as you keep your wicks saturated and you wicked it up properly, the Prime won't turn to mush before the coils are so terribly gunked up that they look like little cylindrical lumps of coal.
 
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