Thanks for your help. swedishfish to the rescue,(not the first time) I am not sure about the calculator, do I have to download it? having the nic level changed a little it ok and just fine by me. I just need a little more vapor and a little less TH. can you thin yours out a little with something? I would try and use my math skills , but I really don’t want to mess up, and have good juice that I can't use. I will try it and see what happens. Not sure where to buy the vg at. I am sure I can order some from a vendor, but I was hoping to be able to buy some at a store locally? Not sure who sells it or where to find it? Thanks