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TropicalBob

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It's just experimenting with flavor. I think the taste from flavored e-liquids is wimpy. I want a taste hit. So the idea is to cook up some tobacco flavor (I'm been using really good pipe tobacco) and add it to a glycerine base as flavor. Then I complement the tobacco taste with another flavor -- vanilla in my experiments so far, but I want Bickford's Kahlua. You can use this to cut or extend commercial e-liquid, too. I have 24mg e-liquid in a large quantity now so I can cut that stuff pretty strongly and still have a known nicotine level with a taste I like.
 

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Kit- I just ordered (but haven't received yet- seems to e takign al ong time to get hte order) 32 ounces of PG for $17 and I can get soem Swisher Sweet Ciggarettes for abotu $5.00 which will make quite a lot of homemade E-Liquid. I'm not sure how much E-Liquid sells for, but making your own is a lot lot cheaper- and you can buy Bickfords extracts for $3-4 if you want ot add flavors which won't add a lot to the overall cost per volume of E-Smoking liquid even if you bought several bottles. Making hte nicotine juice is quite easy- just boil it down- stir once in awhile, squish the tobacco somehow (You don't even have to do that, but I liek to to get perhaps more flavor out) and then add abotu 80% PG or Glycerin then just flavor to taste.

Bob, I've run straight extract (McCormicks Raspberry extract) in my dry Carts (put neough in until the cart looked good and soaked, but not to point of drpping ouit the mouthpiece) and still the flavor in the smoke was very whimpy- I honestly couldn't tell if it was giving off any flavor- but then again, my sense of taste isn't very good. I'll try a dab of Vanilla tonight, see what happens- but out of Rum, Brandy, Raspberry, lemon, and butter flavored extracts- the only one I could taste really was the butter extract one & it left a long lingering taste that overpowered everyhtign after it.

If you find some good strong flavor combos, good enough to come through the tobacco flavoring, let us know what they are- So far, my experience with flavors hasn't produced anythign too good- even when runnign straight extract into hte carts.
 

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Nazareth said:
Kit- I just ordered (but haven't received yet- seems to e takign al ong time to get hte order) 32 ounces of PG for $17 and I can get soem Swisher Sweet Ciggarettes for abotu $5.00 which will make quite a lot of homemade E-Liquid.

Nazareth, who is your source for food grade PG? I wouldn't mind cooking up some American Spirit and making my own liquid. :cool:
 

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Mamba said:
Nazareth said:
Kit- I just ordered (but haven't received yet- seems to e takign al ong time to get hte order) 32 ounces of PG for $17 and I can get soem Swisher Sweet Ciggarettes for abotu $5.00 which will make quite a lot of homemade E-Liquid.

Nazareth, who is your source for food grade PG? I wouldn't mind cooking up some American Spirit and making my own liquid. :cool:

bickford flavors has human grade PG. Sold by the quart. $17.95 each.

You have to call and order though, its not advertised on the website.

TEL: 216.531.6006 -- ask for Heather.
 

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Naz, don't boil the tobacco. Start it on simmer and leave it on simmer. For the life of me, at the moment I can't remember why it should never be boiled -- but I remember reading that. Simmering works fine. As I mentioned in another thread, you might try using the propylene glycol instead of water when you simmer the tobacco. Perhaps the PG will absorb both more flavor and as much nicotine as water would. Water doesn't absorb flavor essence well, but does nicotine. We need both.

Do keep in mind to work with a very small pot. About three inches diameter -- tops. Use a small scoop of tobacco. Cover with fluid and cook. That little pot ends up producing a lot of liquid after filtration.
 
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Not a good clip for that. Just put a handful of loose tobacco in a tiny pot (maybe 3 inches across). Barely cover with water. Put the lid on the pot. Simmer for 1 to 3 hours. Filter out the tobacco and store the liquid in the refrigerator. Send TB your used tobacco (just kidding) cause it can be stored in humidors and smoked later.

FYI: I found my perfect tiny pot at a thrift store for 59 cents.
Bob is this really a cheap way of getting nicotine because your still buying tobacco surly a good e- liquid supplier is best or not ?

Depends where you live. I can get 50 grams of tobacco for 10 cents here in Thailand.
I'm very interested in making my own e-liquid. But a bit worried about the dangers.
Apparently, just a couple smalls drops of pure nicotine on you skin can kill you! :shock:

I've found this interesting page about how to make pure nicotine
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070623163309AA7f6DI

Has anyone got any experience with making nicotine?
I'd like to know more about this before I try, I don't want to end up dead while trying to make something to be used to prevent an early death from tobacco smoking. :?
 

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Kibey said:
kit123 said:
Tropicalboy said:
Not a good clip for that. Just put a handful of loose tobacco in a tiny pot (maybe 3 inches across). Barely cover with water. Put the lid on the pot. Simmer for 1 to 3 hours. Filter out the tobacco and store the liquid in the refrigerator. Send TB your used tobacco (just kidding) cause it can be stored in humidors and smoked later.

FYI: I found my perfect tiny pot at a thrift store for 59 cents.
Bob is this really a cheap way of getting nicotine because your still buying tobacco surly a good e- liquid supplier is best or not ?

Depends where you live. I can get 50 grams of tobacco for 10 cents here in Thailand.
I'm very interested in making my own e-liquid. But a bit worried about the dangers.
Apparently, just a couple smalls drops of pure nicotine on you skin can kill you! :shock:

I've found this interesting page about how to make pure nicotine
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070623163309AA7f6DI

Has anyone got any experience with making nicotine?
I'd like to know more about this before I try, I don't want to end up dead while trying to make something to be used to prevent an early death from tobacco smoking. :?
S****T is this really true few drops on skin can really kill you :shock: TrorpicalBob be carefull man we dont want to lose ya :roll:
 
kit123 said:
S****T is this really true few drops on skin can really kill you :shock: TrorpicalBob be care man we dont want to lose ya :roll:

From what I've read (0.5-1.0 mg/kg) can be a lethal dosage for adult humans. *wikipedia
So if an average person is 75Kg.
37.5mg - 75mg is bad.

Imagine splashing just 1cc (1000mg) on your skin!

You're dead honey.
 

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Kibey said:
kit123 said:
S****T is this really true few drops on skin can really kill you :shock: TrorpicalBob be care man we dont want to lose ya :roll:

From what I've read (0.5-1.0 mg/kg) can be a lethal dosage for adult humans. *wikipedia
So if an average person is 75Kg.
37.5mg - 75mg is bad.

Imagine splashing just 1cc (1000mg) on your skin!

You're dead honey.
So what about the drops you get off the mouthpiece sometimes, how lethal are they ?
 
kit123 said:
So what about the drops you get off the mouthpiece sometimes, how lethal are they ?

Shouldn't hurt because it's not pure nicotine. It's something like 5-6% for the highest strength?

It's different for kids though, if a child cracked open a cartridge and sucked it dry, it would most likely kill them. So don't leave your kit lying around. :!:
 

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Kibey said:
kit123 said:
So what about the drops you get off the mouthpiece sometimes, how lethal are they ?

Shouldn't hurt because it's not pure nicotine. It's something like 5-6% for the highest strength?

It's different for kids though, if a child cracked open a cartridge and sucked it dry, it would most likely kill them. So don't leave your kit lying around. :!:
Yeah right thanks for the advice mate
 

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This is covered extensively in the Health and Medicine section. but your numbers are good. Our liquid is measured as so much nicotine per ml. 24mg fluid has 24mg per ml. If you use a syringe, you can see how small 1 ml is. Look at 2 ml. That could be lethal if ingested for many adults, all children and pets. Pure nicotine is incredibly lethal, a true assassin's weapon. The liquid we use is greatly diluted nicotine and safe unless misused -- and I'm careful not to stray too far. Small amounts on the skin or in the mouth aren't likely to have major consequences, but are certainly not desirable.
 

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Good link and thanks for it. In reading it, I realized that what I hope home cooking of tobacco does is infuse flavor into a solution I can vaporize. This is not about extracting nicotine. I don't have a home lab, nor do many, and we don't understand all of the techniques (we were all flirting with the girl next to us in chemistry!).

This did, however, offer something interesting ideas -- using acidic water (I have Vitamin C (abscorbic acid) crystals for health reasons); using salt water (Sweden uses massive salt in creating tobacco snus).

I just want a combination that vaporizes on use for a "smoke taste" (note that a tobacco taste would be extremely bitter and not desirable).

I'll be careful.
 

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Shouldn't hurt because it's not pure nicotine. It's something like 5-6% for the highest strength?

It's different for kids though, if a child cracked open a cartridge and sucked it dry, it would most likely kill them. So don't leave your kit lying around. :!:

I was reading a thread on dripping and thought they were talking about dipping.... Now I read this8-o

I thought I had found the perfect and most efficient use of eliquid!

Are you saying that I shouldn't be placing the cart stuffing behind my lower lip?:cry:

JUST KIDDING!!!!
 
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