How to stop...?

[Morgythekilla]

Make sure you are doing these things because you want to not for your doctors or anyone else.
The patch doesn't work very well and you shouldn't use it if you are still smoking and/or vaping in any combination.
I'm not sure anyone can attain an "all natural" point since everything you eat ,drink and breathe contains chemicals therefore making being "all natural" an impossibility imo!
I don't think you have anything to fear from using caffeine in a moderate amounts nor nicotine.
Studies by the FDA in 1987 have concluded that; "studies on teratology, reproduction behavior, carcinogenicity, and cardiovascular disease...but found no evidence to show that the use of caffeine in carbonated beverages would render theses beverages injurious to health."
This is from the AMA
The American Medical Association has examined the research on caffeine and came to a similarly confident position on its safety. A 1984 report from AMA Council on Scientific Affairs stated, " Moderate tea or coffee drinkers probably need have no concern for their health relative to their caffeine consumption provided other lifestyle habits (diet, alcohol consumption) are moderate, as well." (Ref.: International Food Information Council).
Even though you may cut out everything you think can be harmful from your diet or life there is no guarantee that you will be disease free. Not trying to depress you just saying I've had friends who went to extremes cutting out all fat caffeine,nicotine etc. and still were unhappy and didn't really have a fulfilling life they were just existing.
My sincere best wishes to you in achieving all your goals!
Congratulations on being drink and drug free for 18 months!
C.B.

I have to disagree with you in saying that an all natural way of life, isn't any better then not. Energy drinks, and the amount of other trace minerals in them, are bad for you. If you cut out caffine and nic, you will feel better. If you live a healthier lifestyle, and put healtheir things into your body, you will look and feel better. What do you think the difference is between a vibrant, nice bodied woman is between a dry looking, gross bodied, eye circled woman is?? They eat and put healthier things into their bodies; and that's common sense.. Why do you think that everyone on this forum cut cigs out of their life, and are now inhaling three chemicals, compared to thousands?? Why do you think people stop eating McDonalds, and start eating smoothies and salads? Tea is a known natural healer, and has been used sinse the beginning of time. IT is WAY better for you then energy drinks.. Do some more research.. And, some people cannot drink in moderation, and they cannot have alcohol all together, (obviously), so I wouldn't go around posting on an alcholics thread, to not do anything from their doctors perspective, just for you; because they really cant help not knowing what is best for themselves... And you can live an all natural way of life, do you know what synthetically produced means?? Additives in food are also very bad for you.. Try cutting back on all this stuff for a week and see how much your life changes...

 

[cigarbabe]

I have to disagree with you in saying that an all natural way of life, isn't any better then not. Energy drinks, and the amount of other trace minerals in them, are bad for you. If you cut out caffine and nic, you will feel better. If you live a healthier lifestyle, and put healtheir things into your body, you will look and feel better. What do you think the difference is between a vibrant, nice bodied woman is between a dry looking, gross bodied, eye circled woman is?? They eat and put healthier things into their bodies; and that's common sense.. Why do you think that everyone on this forum cut cigs out of their life, and are now inhaling three chemicals, compared to thousands?? Why do you think people stop eating McDonalds, and start eating smoothies and salads? Tea is a known natural healer, and has been used sinse the beginning of time. IT is WAY better for you then energy drinks.. Do some more research.. And, some people cannot drink in moderation, and they cannot have alcohol all together, (obviously), so I wouldn't go around posting on an alcholics thread, to not do anything from their doctors perspective, just for you; because they really cant help not knowing what is best for themselves... And you can live an all natural way of life, do you know what synthetically produced means?? Additives in food are also very bad for you.. Try cutting back on all this stuff for a week and see how much your life changes...

I have cut back on many thing including preservatives in my foods.
Has it changed my overall health or issues? Why don't I let you tell me!
Most people cannot quit smoking simply because their "doctor" says they should
including many here.
Before you presume to know what I am talking about specifically you might have the courtesy to ask me first.

If you really believe that "organic,natural,drug free" will change your life for the better hooray for you!
Having nothing "allegedly chemical" in anything you ingest, consume or slather on your body is an impossibility imo as I said before. Others are free to disagree....
Simply cutting out things you ingest will not make you a gorgeous vibrant, woman, man, child or dog.
It takes much more than simply doing what you suggest cutting out nicotine, caffeine, drinking smoothies and eating salads. Knowing that would be common sense.
First of all I am speaking to this one man not everybody in the forum.
Not everyone has cut out smoking to vape because they wanted to, some have done it at the behest of their physicians and while a good idea in general there are quite a few on this forum for whom cutting out smoking and nicotine has made them depressed unfocused, in pain and they have a feeling of general malaise.
There is no "putting good stuff" into your body that fits all people all of the time and that is a fact.
I suggest you do some research on topics before claiming some "ultimate truth" for all.
C.B.

 

[Morgythekilla]

When you post somthing on a public forum, you are talking to all.. Common sense it that when you put good things into your body, you feel good, which means you look good. Obviously working out and breathing fresh air has a lto to do with it. And you do not breathe chemicals or other things from the air.. You cannot breathe CO2, or Nitrogen, which are the only two things in earths atmosphere besides O2, (Oxygen, we breathe). May I suggest taking biology or chem class, if you think are bodies uptake synethic chemicals that we don't ingest, Things we do ingest are; cleaning chemicals, cigarettes, gas fumes, ....... ect.. yes, people do use the wrong lathering agents on their skins, that's why it is highly reccomended to use a soap that is non-anti bacterial and had less then 5 ingredients. If someone is happy with themselves, eating some bad foods, using some bad soaps, doing drugs.. Good for them, but they will be in the less healthier percentage of the population.. That is common sense. If someone chooses to put healthier things in their body, don't you think there is a reason for that choice? It wouldn't be better for you if it was easy.. Maybe a good start for you would be to watch an episode of doctor Oz, and see what he says about preventative medicine, (for everyone)... (Preventative medicine being things you do and eat to prevent health conditions and diseases and cancer's).. May I also suggest the book "In Defense of Food" by Micheal Pollan, it really explains why eating manufactured foods is bad, and gets down to the science and history of it. Hope all is well!

I get your point, saying that there is some people who would rather not spend their time worrying about all that, and that is there lifestyle choice that everyone is entitled to. I just am one to defend a healthy lifestyle, compared to an unhealthy one. This got me thinking and was a great debate! Cheers and happy vaping!! (At least we agree on that)!!
It also surprises me that you don't agree with me on the whole healthyt hing because you look like you make healthy choices!!

 

[Iffy]

Things we do ingest are...

I have no idea what you're talkin about...

 

[Morgythekilla]

Cigarbabes point is that we all ingest all sorts of synthetic chemicals all of time so whats it matter if you drink energy drinks ect. My point is that we do not ingest, (Breathe, eat, absorb through skin), all sorts of chemicals all of the time.. (Only if we chose to). I think she is saying that we are exposed to unhealthy "chemicals" all of the time anyway, in the air and in our food. But I am saying that people choose their foods for a reason. Thats why many peeps are going organic because there is no synthetic fertilizers stripping the nutrients from the foods. I also disagree with her is sayign that we are exposed to bad chemicals in our air, which I know we are not. The only things we are exposed to are fumes when we are cleaning, or working, or pumping gas. If you are on a hike in a public park, your air is clean..

 

[CloudCuckooMan]

Once I tried vaping I never touched another cigarette...For me the transition wasn't something I had to put effort in adjusting to. vaping tastes a million times better and you still get your nicotine fix and a throat hit. once i tried it i was thinking why the hell is anyone smoking cigarettes? what is it about analogs that people find more satisfying than vaping? I'm 26 and I smoked for 10 years so I know what being hooked on cigs is like. but I guess there are some aspects of smoking that other people enjoy that I just don't get. I just find vaping to be flat out better. What else is there that you miss about cigarettes? Is it the taste? For me it's just...the exact same thing except it tastes way better and doesn't give you cancer. I'm very curious to hear responses to this I would have started a thread but I didn't want to sound like a pompous ...... which I'm sorry If I do...I really want to know though.

 

[mistinthewoods]

DOA, sounds like you've already fought some tough battles in the effort to change your life for the better, good on ya man.
Tobacco addiction is one of the hardest things to fight. It's a sneaky, mean addiction that has been made worse by all of the chemists that have been working for the tobacco companies for decades adding crap to tobacco to make it more addictive. It's harder to quit now than it was 20 or 30 years ago because of this.
Thinking about this pisses me off! I find that for me, anger is a powerful motivator and I beat those .......s who were trying to kill me with their damn chemicals! They are getting no more of my money and I am no longer their .....!

Thinking this way about it really helped motivate me. I haven't touched a cig in over a year and a half and the thought and smell of smoking makes me a little sick now. I smoked from the age of 12 until I was 52. That's 40 years of addiction. If I can do it you definitely have a good chance. Maybe you need to get mad about it. Worked for me.

 

[wdave]

Smoking certainly isn't rational - it killed both my parents, my father-in-law, and a number of friends. That didn't stop me. I was lucky and was able to put down the cigs a few days after I got my first e-cig kit. I found that the further I pushed that first cigarette of the day off, the easier it got. One day I just never got around to lighting up. I carried cigarettes around with me for a while, as I didn't want to feel panicked. You have to get to the point where you can look at them and say "Nah" - they'll always be around to tempt you, at a party, the office, a gas station, etc. I hope you will get to that point, at whatever pace works for you. Meanwhile, every cigarette you avoid is a victory for you. Best of luck!

I like how you took it easy. As they say in A.A., "A day at a time."

 

[wdave]

DOA, sounds like you've already fought some tough battles in the effort to change your life for the better, good on ya man.
Tobacco addiction is one of the hardest things to fight. It's a sneaky, mean addiction that has been made worse by all of the chemists that have been working for the tobacco companies for decades adding crap to tobacco to make it more addictive. It's harder to quit now than it was 20 or 30 years ago because of this.
Thinking about this pisses me off! I find that for me, anger is a powerful motivator and I beat those .......s who were trying to kill me with their damn chemicals! They are getting no more of my money and I am no longer their .....!

Thinking this way about it really helped motivate me. I haven't touched a cig in over a year and a half and the thought and smell of smoking makes me a little sick now. I smoked from the age of 12 until I was 52. That's 40 years of addiction. If I can do it you definitely have a good chance. Maybe you need to get mad about it. Worked for me.

Go girl.

IMHO, cigarettes are more difficult to give up than alcohol because there are very few immediate health problems with cigarettes. It's so easy to be deluded that nothing is happening to you while smoking. On the other hand, constant alcohol abuse can bring you to suicide in a very short time. Once that has happened, you have the ultimate motive to stop drinking.

I never heard of a three-pack-a-day smoker who consistently wet his pants

 

[chinchilla]

Hi!

I wanted to share my experience with you since I and many others here have been in your shoes.

I smoked a pack a day for 16 years. Im 31. When the years smoking analogs was more then 50% of my life I knew I had to make a decision. I couldn't make that decision immediately. It took time and most of all EFFORT. The idea of quitting came to me around my 31st bday in August. After that, every time I picked up an analog I said to myself "Your gonna quit this disgusting habit." With the new change in mindset, I actually cut down my smoking quite a bit, but still I smoked analogs.

About 3 weeks ago, I had a burning pain in my leg that seemed to be traveling from the calf to my thigh. I knew something was wrong. I went to the ER and found out I had a blood clot in my leg most likely brought on by smoking.

The Dr. said I was lucky becuase a blood clot can travel to your lungs or worse, your brain and you can die almost immediately. He said to me. You need to make a choice. "Die smoking, or somehow fight yourself and try to quit."

He said FIGHT YOURSELF. That resonated with me. Because that is exactly what you have to do.

Smoking analogs is such a huge INTERNAL BATTLE. You know it bad, but who cares, Im young and Ill smoke if I want to. (thats how I felt anyway) DON'T CONVINCE YOURSELF THAT IT'S OK TO SMOKE AN ANALOG. You have to tell yourself that smoking analogs has you brainwashed and is CONTROLLING YOUR LIFE! Would you let someone else make your decisions for you? Would you let someone else take control of your body and force you to do things you wouldn't normally do? WOuld you let someone talk for you? walk for you? etc... The answer should be NO. Don't let the large money making cigarette industry control your life. Your life is yours. You need to tell yourself that you DON'T NEED that analog.

Don't let anyone or anything control you.

The day I received my kr808 kit was the day I told myself I WILL never go back to smoking analogs. Only been off analogs for 10 days now. But happier each day. It's hard and tough sometimes but that's when you vape till your throat hurts. You need to make that decision as hard as it sounds. And WHEN you do, it will be the most empowering decision of your life.

Good Luck

 

[gjns711]

All I can offer is my own miserable story. A few years ago I had a heart attack, now my father died at 46 of a massive heart attack and I was 42 when I had mine. You would think that that would get me off cigarettes forever, piece of cake. It didn't, I continued to smoke like a freight train for years after. It wasn't until I broke one ankle in November than the other one in June; lost my job, totally dependent on my seventeen year old daughter that I was FORCED to quit and I think I would have crawled to the store (I live on a farm so a store is a mile away) to buy smokes if I hadn't started vaping. Knowing myself the way I do, I couldn't do it without these, I know I would go right back to smoking. I also keep the nic. down to almost zero, but let myself have enough to keep me from going back. Plus I never run out of supplies. I may never quit vaping, but thanks to it, I will never smoke again. I know this doesn't help much, but know you are not alone with your struggle and sometimes terrible things happen to us that should get us off of them, but the addiction is so strong that we smoke through it until we find our own answer, mine is this, it saved me.

 

[DebW]

The hardest part about quitting smoking (at least for me) is the psychological aspect. In order to succeed, you need to build a hard-boiled resolve. That takes time and patience. Good luck, DOA.

 

[wdave]

The hardest part about quitting smoking (at least for me) is the psychological aspect. In order to succeed, you need to build a hard-boiled resolve. That takes time and patience. Good luck, DOA.

How long did you stay "quit" using this method?

 

[DebW]

I made it almost a year without a cigarette, which is a personal best for me. Then something happened in my life, and I had a setback which lasted about two months. I've started over and have been tobacco-free for 8 days. My goal is to stay "quit" this time and to learn what my triggers are so that I won't go back.

 

[Shizzle]

i'm a little over six months smoke-free, and for the first two, i had to stay away from all situations in which i knew i'd be tempted to smoke...basically, not hanging out with friends/relatives who smoke in and around their homes and vehicles, nor going out for smoke breaks with anyone, anywhere. i also changed the channel every time someone on tv was smoking (as it drove me crazy!).

during that time, i often went through THREE 1000mah ego's a day...yikes. i've cut back a bit since then, and the desire to smoke doesn't happen nearly as often now. but when it does, it comes on *strong*...therefore, i wouldn't say i've "kicked the habit" just yet. rather, like a junkie who's clean, i just wake up every morning and say to myself "i'm not going to be a smoker TODAY." so far, so good.