How will the e-cig developing in near future
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Wouldn't that be wonderful?!? You walk into a Starbucks, purchase a vial of e-liquid, hook it up to your device, and also order a coffee (yes, regular plain ol' coffee). Maybe some day 
I agree that the internet is a game changer. That is why I think that I thought that APVs and modding might not be affected as much. I feel that it will be the brick and mortar stores that will be hit the hardest. Caught between cig-a-likes wide availability and not being able to match the Internet's variety. Most people just want something that works. Or I could be off my rocker. Perhaps until the industry is more mature there might be a demand for person to person guidance. I am perhaps going out on a limb here, but it seems to me that as big as this place is just a small part of the whole. And will probably stay that way.
First, you won't be seeing any APV's coming from BT - tiny, ineffective stick batteries will be all you get. Second, there is a strong possibility that BT will push for restrictions that will benefit them. Eliquid in carts only at 2mg & 4mg strength. So you think you will like their taking over the industry with that probable outcome?
Then join CASAA and help fight them. All of us posting on ECF won't do anything to keep vaping from being banned/severely restricted.
Yes, they should. They never will be though. Corporate America spends more money lobbying than they do paying taxes. Scarey stuff, but it's been that way for decades now.
Some observations/questions for newbies like myself now.
1) Blu cigs straight out of the pack are great, for about 30-50 puffs, then they become horrible, lifeless, cardboard-like, yet they still produce vapor, which I can still "feel" (the nicotine).
2) I'd like to refill them, as that makes sense to me financially, I bought several bottles of juice, different flavors, from Johnson Creek, but when I drip juice into them it's always the same. For every 10 cartridges that I refill, 3 are completely dead. 5 are so-so for a while, and 2 are great, almost like the originals.
3) Cleaning/boiling the cartomizers hasn't worked at all, even letting them dry for over a week. For me, once water has touched the filler in any fashion, boiling or not, it's all over.
I'm waiting for an eGo twist and clearomizers in the mail and I sincerely hope these will be better.
Just about any model is better than the Blu. The twist is a good upgrade, although I would have recommend a variable wattage (VW) PV over the twist which is variable volt (VV). Good Luck
Why not start a new thread where others that have read this thread, or don't care about future predictions, can benefit from your question?
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Refill the cartos sooner before they fry too much.
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Refill the cartos sooner before they fry too much.
I've read a lot of good, thought provoking opinions in this thread, but this best sums it up, IMO, and I happen to agree. I don't want to feel pessimistic, but can't help it. The 'little guy' almost always loses, in the end. You can bet your last dollar that BT will squeeze consumer's %@* for every last penny they can. Keep 'em coming back for more sub-standard garbage at highway robbery prices.
If a worst case scenario does unfold, and the 'good' stuff we enjoy now is stamped out, at least in the US, I'm wondering how far they'll go (the powers that be) with restricting or even outlawing orders from overseas, like China, naturally.
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That's a good question. In 2009, they confiscated both suppliers and consumer's packages from China. Many people lost money. But many small consumer packages got through. The Chinese supplier I was using at the time actually labeled the manifest "toys". But the number of people vaping back then was much smaller. If the FDA & Feds wanted to, they would find out all the companies selling vaping supplies from China and just hold all packages for months from those companie and go through them when they felt like it. I guess the companies could constantly being changing their names but it would be a real pain for everyone.
That's turnup for the books, a Chinese company applying for patents before they will sell it overseas. Consider:China doesn't recognise anybody else's patents or copyrights:
Since BT ("Big Tobacco") has been mentioned a few times in this thread already I'll ask... is anyone aware that most pharma grade nicotine is already extracted from tobacco, i.e. "BT"? By changing their business model and transitioning with the times "BT" could maintain American grown tobacco, meet quality control standards for e-juice vendors, and still make a profit.
It's Big Pharma that I worry about more. They have BILLIONS of dollars invested in smoking cessation right now and many times more that invested in future purchases of chemotherapy drugs, etc.
It's Big Pharma that I worry about more. They have BILLIONS of dollars invested in smoking cessation right now and many times more that invested in future purchases of chemotherapy drugs, etc.
I will be honest it is nonavailability of hardware that scares me the most. That is the entire reason why I am trying to convince myself soldering isn't scary and that I really can build a Puck mod. Runs on normal buy at radio shack batteries.
I am also acquiring rebuildable atomizers. Wick, steel mesh and wire are not going to vanish so a true rebuildable can be kept going a LONG time.
As for juice the hard part to get will be the nic. I already have a big bottle stashed enough to last me over a year. Considering I only use 6 mg I can wean down to no nic inside a year. The PG can be got from Tractor SUpply or another Farming Supplier its used in the cattle industry. The VG can be got from Wal Mart. The Flavoring is used in Foods and easily obtained from numerous sources.
SO yeah its a clampdown on hardware that has me in a tizzy.
Runs on normal buy at radio shack batteries. I am also acquiring rebuildable atomizers. Wick, steel mesh and wire are not going to vanish so a true rebuildable can be kept going a LONG time.
As for juice the hard part to get will be the nic. I already have a big bottle stashed enough to last me over a year. Considering I only use 6 mg I can wean down to no nic inside a year. The PG can be got from Tractor SUpply or another Farming Supplier its used in the cattle industry. The VG can be got from Wal Mart. The Flavoring is used in Foods and easily obtained from numerous sources.
SO yeah its a clampdown on hardware that has me in a tizzy.
The regulations and taxes are coming and don't fool yourselves. Enjoy the the experience of trying various juices from small-businesses around the country while you can. The FDA WILL declare that an e-cig is a "drug-delivery device" and then they will pounce. My guess is that they will make the taxes on juices the same as cigarettes and then regulate the "delivery devices." Your only future choices will probably come from RJR or some of the big pharma companies and cost MUCH more than leafy cigs do now AND with the state and feds taking a substantial cut of the sales. There is NO WAY that politicians are gonna give up their addiction to taxing smokers even if those people aren't actually smoking.
While the threat you perceive is real we thought the FDA's "Vapapocolypse" was coming way back in 2009!
As others have stated all the components of "juice" are readily available because they have many other purposes. The only exception to this is the liquid nicotine base itself, which does have DIY alternatives (not that I have tried any). Most of us that are sincerely concerned about it have already stocked up. I keep at least a year's supply of nic base. It's a cheap insurance policy in case the government does finally decide to get proactive on the topic.
As for the hardware? Batteries are batteries. Steel and aluminum tubes are just that as well. A switch? Nothing to it. Silica? There is always cotton balls and cheese cloth. Kanthal wire? Not unless they want to put a ban on hair dryers and toasters too.
The liquid nic base is the big one that could be targeted and maybe the "cig-a-likes" that very few advanced vapers are interested in anyway.
A prime example of this is countries like Australia where liquid nic base is strictly prohibited. And yet e-cig hardware and even zero nic juice sales are growing like they are elsewhere in the world. Mom and pop can continue to craft gourmet e-juice... it just might be regulated and taxed IF it is sold with nicotine *already in it*, and there is no good reason why it should be.
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I wouldn't like it. And you're right, they would most likely only produce cheap, crappy cig-a-likes. But if they did, people would buy it. What I want to figure out is: what would BT do to have current vapers, like you and me now, buy their products? They would have to try, as they can't just ignore several million potential customers worldwide.
That's what I'd like to believe, and on the surface, it does seem to be the reasonable thing to do. But greed can/does/and always will rule out in the end. Imagine a world (at least in the US) where we would have literally no other choice BUT to buy the crappy cigalikes at outragious prices. I mean, how many eGo batteries, clearomizers, bottles of e-liquid, etc etc, are sitting on the store shelves at Walgreens and the local 7-11? None. I believe that's what BT will be gambling on, ultimately. Deep in my gut I don't have a good feeling about it. The government and BT are losing out on millions upon millions of tax dollars/revenue...and they ARE going to make up for it, mark my words. Or try to, anyway. It's going to be an interesting ride, one way or the other.
Edit: Oh, I just thought of one more thing: I'm going to start keeping a close eye on V2's website, now that they have been bought out by BT. They sell (or used to, I don't know about right now, this very second) bottles of e-liquid. If those just up and disappear one day, I would take that as a pretty ominous sign from BT, and it would be pretty much a smoking gun about their ultimate ambitions, in regards to the stuff we currently enjoy.
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With thin flexible rechargeable batteries, I predict ecigs in the shape of a straw that you can vape nicotine shakes with from McDonald's.
How about ..cyborg implants...with thin film flexible battery shirts or something to power them by induction. Then, you don't have to carry around a PV or inhale....just exhale. Like a dragon. Load up the reservoir once a day, walk around blowing vape rings. Don't ask me how you fill it up, I don't want to go there.
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