How worried should I be?

[boardopboy]

As a relatively new member to the vaping scene, I have done lots and lots of reading. Among that reading I have seen numerous posts about legislation... banning indoor use of e-cigs to a complete and out right ban.

To this point, nothing has done as good a job of keeping me smoke free has vaping. Two rounds on Chantix, hundreds of dollars lost on patches, lozenges and gums. Countless attempts at cold turkey. Even hypnotism (glad that was for an on-air endorsement because it was a TOTAL waste of time.)

If e-cigs are taken away from me... my only viable option is going back to cigarettes... And that scares me.

I can handle certain indoor bans, heck, I did with smokes. But a full on criminalization of e-cigs and vaping would be catastrophic for me. AND my family. I simply can not afford to stock up on supplies right now.

In REAL WOLRD terms... how worried should I be? What is the likely hood of a full on ban? How long would something like that take to become actionable? Should I rob a bank to build a fall out shelter full of batteries, attys, tanks, cartos and liquid?

Please... calm my nerves and settle my anxiety! And if you can make it happen with minimal political bias, that would be pretty awesome.

 

[Black Strat]

It is hard to say. Too many factors, such as big tobacco lobbyists, big pharmacy lobbyists and the just plain old anti "anything that looks like smoking" people. On the other hand, the explosion of people using e-cigs generates significant tax revenues and I think the ground-swell movement of people responding to their politicians might temper legislation.

I am actually continually stocking up on batteries, tanks, cartos, clearos, etc. Also I am working toward a year long supply of e-liquid. Even if somehow and outright ban occurs, we don't know what it would look like. VG and PG and flavorings will always be available and I have a feeling networks supplying nicotine would develop in a fairly short period of time. Having to mix our own might discourage some but most would adapt.

 

[B.Traven]

I read that Lorillard bought Blu. That would seem to indicate that they don't see a ban on ecigs in the future. Hell, it might mean they're betting on increased popularity and a larger market, which of course they would want to dominate by either buying up or destroying any competition. Might be a good time to invest in ecig companies, although I doubt if any of them are publicly traded.

 

[Racehorse]

Please... calm my nerves and settle my anxiety!

The primary characteristic of LIFE is uncertainty. Yet it is something that most human beings have trouble dealing with.

Concentrate on what your PRIMARY goals are today. You may not have tomorrow.

I don't know about a lot of people, but both psychologically and emotionally (staying off cigs, sick elderly mom, etc.) and physically (chores, working, etc.) I have enough to think about for the next 24-48 hours, let alone worry about something that may or may not happen (trees falling on my house, ecigs being banned, etc. )

Not that I don't plan, because I do. But even the best laid plans..........

I try to stay in the "moment" as much as possible, and it's been a huge stress-buster for ME.

/rant

That said, you already solved your problem. You said you don't have the finances to buy or stockpile right now. So.........SOLVED. for today at least.

 

[Moueix]

there is NO need to worry. Between ebay'ers selling machine shop and home made mods, juice vendors just selling as 0 nic, etc, there is no way to stop this train. You can't unthink a thought. The ONLY real fear that I see is the possibility that government will tax the hell out of nicotine concentrate to replace the revenue that vaping is, and will much more greatly, be lost to them. IF and that's a big if, that were to happen there will be noise in the streets first, and a gallon of pre-legislation 100mg nic concentrate in your freezer is the answer.

At 18mg strength, a gallon of 100mg nicotine would produce 21,000 ml's of juice. If you burn 2ml a day, that is 10,500 days, or almost 29 years. If you can't afford the gallon of concentrate, I'll be happy to share out a little at a time to you. I think we'll be alright.

 

[Racehorse]

my only viable option is going back to cigarettes... And that scares me.

Which could also disappear and/or go black market.........

 

[boardopboy]

I try to stay in the "moment" as much as possible, and it's been a huge stress-buster for ME.

Guess I should stay out of the legislation forums then!

At 18mg strength, a gallon of 100mg nicotine would produce 21,000 ml's of juice. If you burn 2ml a day, that is 10,500 days, or 28 years. I think we'll be alright.

I like your math!

 

[dwsizme]

Vote for candidates that want smaller gov't not bigger gov't and maybe get involved in some way.
Maybe us vapors can do something. Even if only to stay informed about what's going on and why.
CASAA - The Consumer Advocates for Smoke-free Alternatives Association
I'm concerned about big Pharma and the gov't getting too involved, too.

 

[Baditude]

I read that Lorillard bought Blu. That would seem to indicate that they don't see a ban on ecigs in the future. Hell, it might mean they're betting on increased popularity and a larger market, which of course they would want to dominate by either buying up or destroying any competition. Might be a good time to invest in ecig companies, although I doubt if any of them are publicly traded.

Yeah, I looked at that move as Big Tobacco getting their foot in the door to spread their wings. Pressure for smokers to quit come from employers, health and life insurance companies, local-state-federal government regulations and laws, so tobacco companies have to be feeling the pinch and will have to look elsewhere to recoop their losses.

I think this can be both good and bad for us. Good, in that if tobacco companies embrace the electronic cigarette market by supplying nicotine and juices then we would have their powerful lobbying network to prevent any banning of e-cig products.

It could be bad in that I don't know how much I trust what Big Tobacco would put into their products, considering the hundreds of dangerous chemicals they add to cigarettes. Higher taxes and stricter regulations are eventually unavoidable the way I see it.
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And boardopboy , I understand where you are coming from. I too tried the nicotine patches and gum, Welbutrin, hypnosis (group and solo) and none worked for more than a few days. When I started vaping I allowed myself 3-4 cigarettes for the first few days. I could tell they became less satisfying as time went on. When that last pack was empty, I felt no need to get another pack and haven't smoked since. It's actually amazing how well this system works.

 

[flintlock62]

I wouldn't be too concerned about it until it happens, and IF it happens. Big business like Nicoret, Nicotrol Nicotine inhaler, or who ever always want to knock the " new kid" off the block. NOTE, a nicotine inhaler is FDA approved because it comes from BIG BUSINESS! Until they can PROVE vaping is harmful, I'll stick with vaping.

Worry only sends people to their graves!

 

[DC2]

This is a quote from CASAA President Elaine Keller on another thread...

This is a two-step process. The "deeming" regulation simply makes a statement that the FDA will be regulating (name of product) under the authority granted by the Family Smoking Prevention and Tobacco Control Act.

The next step of the process would be for the FDA to propose actual regulations for each product. These would need to be posted in the Federal Register and there would definitely be a period of public comment. After the period is up, the FDA will review the comments and then might (or might not) amend the regulations before putting them into effect.

I can't calm your nerves about what might happen, since there still remains the potential for disaster.
But I can tell you that every vaper will have adequate warning and a chance to make their voices heard.

 

[NancyR]

Keep in mind the only things they can regulate or try to ban will be the nicotine and maybe (long shot with this tho) manufactured goods for e-cigs. The big battery mods that take replaceable batteries, can last for years and they can't very well ban the batteries they use as they get used in other things as well. PG and VG can be bought locally for all sorts of uses, even flavorings you can use what you find in the store in the baking section.

So if you are really worried that something *might* happen, get a big battery mod, a rebuildable such as an ERA, and work down to 0 nic juice

 

[klynnn]

My thoughts are that they will try to regulate the nicotene like by perscriiption. There will be a black market. BP is the foe.

 

[Tazzy July]

But wait theres more! I just saw a tv commercial for those Blu ecigs so there ya go Now the ecig has made it to the airwaves! Its gotta be a good thing right?

 

[flintlock62]

But wait theres more! I just saw a tv commercial for those Blu ecigs so there ya go Now the ecig has made it to the airwaves! Its gotta be a good thing right?

Well, it probably helps!

 

[tj99959]

Vote for candidates that want smaller gov't not bigger gov't and maybe get involved in some way.
Maybe us vapors can do something. Even if only to stay informed about what's going on and why.
CASAA - The Consumer Advocates for Smoke-free Alternatives Association
I'm concerned about big Pharma and the gov't getting too involved, too.

If that were true why is it that Utah (the most conservative state in the nation) was the FIRST state to have a ban on the use of e-cigs in public places?

 

[klynnn]

I don't need a nanny I am one. My freezer has a lot of nicotene in it.

 

[gijills]

my worry would be if big tobakkie gets into to it there come all the bad chems again!

 

[yzer]

I wouldn't worry too much. Nicotine e-liquid will not be regulated as a prescription drug. The FDA has already been told by the court that it will regulate e-cigarettes as a tobacco product, not a drug. Incidentally, anyone can purchase nicotine gum in my state without a prescription. I assume it's the same way nationwide.

I don't see any out-and-out bans of e-cigarettes coming from the feds. When the regulations finalize they will probably affect e-liquid labeling and content disclosure, safety of devices and perhaps the available nicotine strength of commercial e-liquids.

You can bet your bottom dollar however that any regulations will benefit the big money interests as they take control of the e-cigarette marketplace. Research and development necessary to write these regs is frightfully expensive and the government never pays to do it. Rather, the government waits for private industry to do the homework and recommend appropriate regulation. The government then adopts the industry's recommended regulations and best practices after a period of study. Look into the way the FDA regulated genetically modified foods as an example.

Full regulation of e-cigarettes by the FDA is years away.

 

[klynnn]

The way the economy is going down the tubes, absolutely nothing would surprise me.