Humectants: The end of the road?

[StormFinch]

Agreed. But in the OPs scenerio smoking no longer exists so people who take nicotine have never been smokers. So then he's questioning what other reasons someone might have for blowing big clouds if nicotine users are no longer vaping because it emulates smoking.

True, but my observation in that paragraph was simply that it's not just a case of not enough nicotine in NRTs. The second paragraph was to stay on topic in hypothesizing that young, zero nic cloud chasers would then take over the user base after smoking became extinct.

 

[Zealous]

Except that I've seen some vapers complain that they got nic sick from too much nicotine in the NRTs.

Oh, my mistake. I misread this sentence.

I guess I would have to adjust my hypothetical to say that rather than having doses high enough they would need to be adjustable by the user like they are with vaping. It never occurred to me that for some the NRT nic doses are too high.

 

[volume control]

The visible vapor is vaporized PG and VG. If you use 100% PG there is very little visible vapor in comparison to VG. VG provides much larger particles giving it a more dense appearance. There may be some h20 in there as it is attracted from the surrounding air to the humectants and attaches to the particles. There is also a lot of other things they break down into when they are heated, however the studies ive seen show nothing to be alarmed about. There was one on Casaa it was pretty surprising the amount of things in your vapor! The one thing is you can read them all in a minute, unlike the death sticks which is a few pages of crap Also like i said, everything is well within safe limits of consumption.


Im sure that the vapor does draw some minute amount of moisture from your respiratory system, its just not some huge immediate reaction. Its almost unoticeable unless chain vaping and then not drinking water for a little while, then youd notice

 

[generic mutant]

Here are some other threads on the subject, with estimates as high as >66% water in vapour.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...9160-analysis-electronic-cigarette-vapor.html
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ness-card-explanation-vaping.html#post1996879
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/new-members-forum/192783-silly-qod-whats-exhaled-vapor.html
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/new-members-forum/68669-what-visible-product-composed.html

 

[Technohydra]

I might actually tryfreezing vapor today. If I do, i will post a pic. Could be interesting. I have both 70/30 and 100vg.

 

[Wow1420]

If the vapor wasn't visible, it wouldn't look like smoking and wouldn't that make it more socially acceptable?

Personally, I don't think I'd miss the clouds. I tried a dissolvable nicotine product once. I think I would have been happy with that if it wasn't for some mouth irritation. (Plus being expensive and very hard to find).

 

[Technohydra]

I remember something similar, we had a tabletized form of nicotine. They came in a coffee, mint, tobacco, and cherry, and were fairly pricy. I was never a huge fan, myself, being a solitary smoker. I did hear that some people liked them though. I guess the proof on that one is the fact that I had to have this thread to remind me they exist. I don't think the market was quite ready for them at that time.

 

[evilfrog]

Lil' Brown Smoke Shack - Dissolvable Tobacco

They still exist, although Star Scientific isn't making them anymore. My understanding is that the people who made them for Star are going to produce them independently now. I've never tried them, but they are supposedly pretty good. I believe they are a bit on the sweet side, and I get my sweets through vaping (custard....yum), so I'll probably never try them.

 

[generic mutant]

Nicotine is one dimension to this, but certainly not the only one.

Flavour, mouth feel and throat hit, other tobacco alkaloids, cost, and cloud production are all others. You can probably think of more.

Cloud production and mouth feel seem to be the ones the user currently has the least control over. Choices are pretty much 100% PG (quite cloudy), 100% VG (very cloudy), and anywhere in between. Given that the clouds aren't coming from the flavour / nic (unflavoured zero nic looks just about the same, and conversely you can make a flavoured nicotine mist NRT thing with no visible clouds), that surely must change eventually...

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Also, error in the first post: humectants adsorb water, rather than absorbing it.

 

[EddardinWinter]

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Also, error in the first post: humectants adsorb water, rather than absorbing it.

Come again?




Tapped out

 

[generic mutant]

Might be a pedantic distinction in other circumstances;

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adsorption

But if we're talking about whether and why the mist of humectants becomes more visible with added water, pays to get our terminology right...

Edit - argggh. Well, I've found sources that claim humectants absorb and sources that claim they adsorb. But I've definitely seen the claim that particles of PG / VG end up with water on their surface, creating a visible mist with a relatively small amount of water. That sounds more like adsorption to me.

 

[Wow1420]

Lil' Brown Smoke Shack - Dissolvable Tobacco

They still exist, although Star Scientific isn't making them anymore. My understanding is that the people who made them for Star are going to produce them independently now. I've never tried them, but they are supposedly pretty good. I believe they are a bit on the sweet side, and I get my sweets through vaping (custard....yum), so I'll probably never try them.

Thanks, I'll keep them bookmarked. I could see using it occassionly, like for airplane travel.