Hypocritical ACS, AHA, ALA oppose Ohio bill to ban e-cigarette sales to minors, want to tax the lifesaving products instead

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Hypocritical ACS, AHA, ALA oppose Ohio bill to ban e-cigarette sales to minors, want to tax the lifesaving products to prevent adult smokers from switching, admit that their drug industry funded national offices imposed this new policy on state groups.

I think all ACS, AHA, ALA staff quoted in this article (and most national ACS, AHA, ALA staff) have been on my e-mail list since 2009, and are well aware of these laws. ACS, AHA, ALA have endorsed and even advocated legislation to ban e-cigs sales to minors in about a dozen states (where the laws were enacted). But now they're deceitfully crying foul.

E-cig bill called a 'Trojan Horse'
E-cig bill called a

“When we looked at the bill title, we thought it was something we were behind,” said Jeff Stephens, director of state policy for the American Cancer Society in Ohio. “But as we looked and shared it with our national office, they said, ‘Oh my God, this is happening all over the country."

Anti-smoking advocates say that below the surface of House Bill 144 is a tobacco-industry-crafted “Trojan horse” designed to ensure that the emerging electronic-cigarette market and other alternative nicotine products remain taxed at a lower rate than traditional cigarettes and stay outside the state’s indoor smoking ban.


But Stephens and Shelly Kiser, advocacy director for the American Lung Association in Ohio, say youth-access laws are among the least-effective ways to prevent minors from getting hold of tobacco products — so tobacco companies lose little by advocating the provision. But higher taxation, they argue, is a key deterrent.

Other states passed e-cigarette access bills before the American Cancer Society became aware of the national push.
 

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I just sent the following e-mail to Columbus Dispatch reporter Jim Siegel.


ACS, AHA, ALA lying about e-cig laws

Jim,

Per your article today at
E-cig bill called a

The national and Ohio staff of ACS, AHA and ALA have been fully aware
of state legislation that bans e-cigarette sales to minors, as those
same organizations have been falsely accusing e-cig companies of target
marketing the products to children since 2009 (when they urged FDA and
then lobbied legislatures in CA, UT, IL, MD, NY, WA, TN to ban the sale
of e-cigs to ADULTS).

FDA unlawfully banned e-cig imports in 2009, and it was struck down by
all 13 federal judges that adjudicated the lawsuit filed by two e-cig
companies (Smoking Everywhere and NJOY). I submitted an amicus brief
with the DC Court of Appeals in 2010 opposing FDA and supporting SE and
NJOY.
In contrast, CTFK, ACS, AHA, ALA submitted amicus briefs in support of
FDA.

At least 20 states have enacted laws banning the sale of e-cigarettes
to minors, and the ACS, AHA, ALA have advocated or endorsed the vast
majority of these laws (until the past several months).

Here's a quick list I put together of most states that enacted laws
banning e-cig sales to minors.
2010 - UT, NJ, MN, NH
2011 - CA, TN, CO, ID, MD, NY, WA
2012 - NY, WI
2013 - AZ, HI, IL, NC, SC, AL, AR

What's really going on is the drug industry funded national offices of
CTFK, ACS, AHA, ALA have changed their e-cigarette policy once again
(regarding state legislation) in their outrageous efforts to prevent
smokers from switching to e-cigarettes. Please note two previous
e-cig policies (attached) of these groups, which in 2010 opposed state
legislation banning e-cig sales to minors (because the groups ware
lobbying to ban e-cig sales to adults), and then in 2011 allowed state
ACS, AHA, ALA offices to support e-cig sales bans to minors.

CTFK, ACS, AHA ALA now want states to tax e-cigarettes (at the same
rate as lethal cigarettes), falsely define the smokefree devices
"electronic smoking devices" and impose other unwarranted regulations
on e-cig companies to reduce supply and demand for the products.

Since 2009, the ACS, AHA, ALA have been lobbying state legislatures to
ban e-cig use wherever smoking is banned (by deceitfully redefining
"smoking" as including the use of smokefree e-cigs, and by falsely
claiming the vapor is harmful to nonusers, and falsely claiming that
e-cig use makes it more difficult to enforce smokefree laws).

The reason why the national offices of CTFK, ACS, AHA, ALA have
demonized e-cigs and have campaiged to ban e-cig sales and use (and to
now tax and excessively regulate e-cigs) is because those organizations
have received about $200 million from Johnson & Johnson,
GlaxoSmithKline, Pfizer and other drug companies to promote their
ineffective (but FDA approved) nicotine gums, lozenges and patches
(which have a 95% failure rate for smoking cessation) and less than
safe Chantix (which increases risk of heart attack, depression and
suicidal thoughts) as the ONLY "safe and effective" ways to quit
smoking.

Since e-cigarettes are more effective for smoking cessation than FDA
approved drugs, the drug companies and their lobbyist/PR hacks at CTFK,
ACS, AHA, ALA have been trying to protect Big Pharm sales and profits
(and future drug industry funding for themselves).

In contrast, I and other public health advocates (whose goal is to
reduce smoking) and e-cig consumer activists have been advocating
e-cigarettes for smokers, have advocated state legislaiton banning
e-cig sales to minors, and urged tobacco companies to begin marketing
e-cigs and to help us get laws enacted banning e-cig sales to minors.

Several months ago, I informed CTFK, ACS, AHA, ALA (and everyone else)
that RJ Reynolds was lobbying for state laws to ban the sale of e-cigs
to minors when I exposed Reynolds's legislation in OK and RI that would
also tax e-cigs and would unfairly require all e-cigarettes to be sold
ONLY by licensed tobacco wholesalers and retailers (as Reynolds was
trying to corner the market in those states now that they've introduced
their Vuse e-cig) at
Big tobacco stubs out e-cigarette competitors | The Daily Caller

Also attached are recent oral and written testimony I presented and
submitted to FDA on regulation of e-cigarettes and other tobacco and
nicotine products, as well as my recent presentation at the Food and
Drug Law Institute's annual conference in DC on these issues.

Please note that ACS' Cathy Calloway and OH ALA's Shelly Kiser (and
most other tobacco policy staff at CTFK, ACS, AHA, ALA throughout the
nation) have been on my weekly e-mail list (and I've sent them copies
of all state bills that would ban sale of e-cigs to minors).

Bill Godshall
Executive Director
Smokefree Pennsylvania
1926 Monongahela Avenue
Pittsburgh, PA 15218
412-351-5880
smokefree@compuserve.com
 
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Thank you Bill! I just shared this with my FB friends and I think everyone in the forum should do so too. FB, Twitter, whatever social media. We need to make this information and other similar information go viral.

Directions please? I don't see a 'fb' logo, or link to a separate article of Bill's containing the email?
 

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I would like to see where they have gotten this information. It sounds like they are comparing apples to oranges in that taxation affects adults and minors vs. age limit for minors. So of course taxation would have a bigger effect. Without that claim, they have nothing to support their position.
say youth-access laws are among the least-effective ways to prevent minors from getting hold of tobacco products — so tobacco companies lose little by advocating the provision. But higher taxation, they argue, is a key deterrent.

I believe these bills were being presented before the big 3 BT entered the market of e-cigs. I think that's important because it's a war of public reputations and images too. BT's is bad, but org's like AHA, ACS, etc. in the general public's eyes, is more positive.
... tobacco-industry-crafted “Trojan horse” ...

There's a large number who vote based on sponsoring organizations because they don't trust wording in a bill, or don't have time to familiarize themselves with the issue. I wish there was a way to get this message out to the general public and not be negatively associated with cigarettes.
 
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A comment on the article:

KARYYL KEYSTONE (KARYYL)
I trust the American Lung Association and the American Cancer Society to not deliberately harm children. If they lobbied to sell e-eigs to children, they must believe e-cigs are extraordinarily safe.

2013-07-22 22:51:09.0
 

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Another comment caught my eye:

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So what number do we have folks call who are addicted to wanting to control others?
 

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I would like to see where they have gotten this information. It sounds like they are comparing apples to oranges in that taxation affects adults and minors vs. age limit for minors. So of course taxation would have a bigger effect. Without that claim, they have nothing to support their position.


I believe these bills were being presented before the big 3 BT entered the market of e-cigs. I think that's important because it's a war of public reputations and images too. BT's is bad, but org's like AHA, ACS, etc. in the general public's eyes, is more positive.


There's a large number who vote based on sponsoring organizations because they don't trust wording in a bill, or don't have time to familiarize themselves with the issue. I wish there was a way to get this message out to the general public and not be negatively associated with cigarettes.
OR..we could just make the READ THEDANG BILLS they vote on!

So what number do we have folks call who are addicted to wanting to control others?
I can not possibly show how much I like this post without an atomic powered "like" button... :toast:
 

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Thank you Bill Godshall for being in our corner as one of the most dedicated and knowledgable humanitarians of our day!

Here are some thoughts about why the TRUTH and REVOLUTIONARY invention the E-CIGARETTES and SNUS.... are
such a hot topic!

The posts above lead me to one conclusion, and that's scary. Having one conclusion. That the money generators i.e. BIG GOV., BIG PHARM, and BIG TOBACCO, are a ferocious cash nawing cow with an insatiable appetite. We, being vapers and alternatives nicotine users, who now are large enough in numbers per capita, to have generated incomes, products, sales figures with growth potential... we are in their myopic money eyes as tonights dinner kill. No matter how much our revolution is saving lives, leading the way in removing 400 years of karmic mis-use of tobacco by smoking it. We know, we centralize and advertise how good it feels to stop smoking. We are not buying their products, (BT, BG, and BP and the Health Agencies taboot). Available without perscription, to any age that can get their hands on them cigarettes, poisonous, who cares, gigantically profittable taxed products (WHETHER CIGARETTES OR E-CIGARETTES) to fund the humanitarian early childhood educations that wouldn't be funded otherwise, this makes social issues, the unimportant issues as compared to war mongering. Humanitarianism is not a stock you can buy, this truth of itself is meaningless it isn't of immediate interest here in a money driven world. Humanitarian interests are fine when they don't make a dime! Depressing sometimes, if I want to put a bandaid on the pain of all this, there is always the personal freedom to believe in something above and beyond, where there is truth, justice and peace The powers that be workings of this world are dominated by the "Prince of the World"! Amen it's Sunday afterall. I know myself though, I will fight for truth and justice here in this realm, inspite of the insurmountable obstables! Might as well rack up some stock for the here and after (agnostical prognosis , the uproven after life...)
 
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Is there any merit to the claim that this bill would prevent taxation of ecigarettes at the same rate as cigarettes? Not that I think that sort of tax would be justified, but I just want to know if the bill would truly prevent that.

When I shared my agony about this latest escapade of the Greedy states, even my supportive family at first were shrugging their shoulders and saying "so, go ahead, tax them like cigarettes, get this over with, get our happy vaper back in the house". After I explained how the powers that be have decided that a cartomizer is the same as a pack of cigarettes, which it's not by any stretch of the imagination, and if they go by that creative rule of thumb, 2mls equalling a pack, then it's safe to assume that a bottle will cost us 60 bucks at least. Who will be able to afford to quit smoking!??? Their eyes got huge, and needless to say, they now see the fallacy of conceding.

Plus us they want to raise cig taxes yet again and again and again...
 
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