I am very sensitive to vg. What's a good tank for high pg liquids?

[Johnra]

Hi there,

I've been vaping for around 6 years. In that time I have found that I am very sensitive to vg. I know this is uncommon and most people have the opposite reaction, but vg does not agree with me. If I vape a 50/50 mix, my lungs feel heavy and I develop a nasty cough. As such, I use pg heavy liquids. Usually 80/20 or 100% pg. These are very satisfying and don't cause any trouble. My problem is that it seems most tanks, cartos, what have you are more geared towards vg vapers. These tanks seem to be made to absorb thick liquids. My trouble is that often my thin pg liquids slip right through and don't get absorbed. I usually prime my cartos for at least 5 minutes before vaping. I also fully fill them 3-5 times before turning on the heat. With most tanks, I get a couple good hits and before they burn noxious hell fire. The only cartos I've ever found to work well are smok tech's 4.0 ohm punched tank cartos. I'm very satisfied with the results these typically produce, but they're increasingly difficult to find. None of my local stores sell them and I have to order them online. I was curious if anyone had a suggestion on newer tanks that would work well for pg based liquids. I vape at high voltage (around 4.8-5.4 V) with a provari. I'm not yet hip to the sub ohm devices/ tanks. Many of them may not work for me anyway as it seems that they are geared for heavy vg liquids. Anyway, I may be alone in my sensitivity, but I thought I would ask if anyone has found success with a tank for pg people like myself.

Thanks, take care

 

[Princessdee]

I'm enjoying an aspire nautilus tank with 100% PG. It makes me say bad words when I refill it, but I like the vape. So far, no leaking and the only not-tasty hits I've gotten are when I put off refilling and run it dry.

 

[Deadkaiser]

Have you given the kayfun 4 a go..... By bad your after Tanks....well i would still say give the KF4 a go

 

[HauntedMyst]

Give the Taifun GT a try.

 

[crxess]

I think some of your VG issue may well be related to your vaping style.

I only say this because you are frying Cartos with PG and that just shouldn't happen. I use Boge lazer punched 2.0ohm cartos with 80/20 mix in tanks and only suffer leaking after extended use(replacement time)
I use Boge 1.7ohm basic cartos for a stealth pocket carry on a Spinner and no burning problems.

6yrs vaping or 6 days vaping, you cannot overpower your setup and not expect it to fail.

If you learn to build, you can set up a Kayfun style tank to any need for mouth to lung vaping.(carto style)

*how are you Priming your Cartos? I use the carto condom as a cup and slowly Bottom feed until the carto is saturated. No need for additional filling if using in a tank.
Refill only as needed for stand alone.

 

[bigrf85]

i would say with high pg liquids sub ohm is something you would want to stay away from just for a leak standpoint i am on the opposite spectrum and use 70-100% vg but with your requirements i would suggest the nautilus line of tanks good juice capacity and good flavor for your requirements

 

[Johnra]

Thanks everyone. I'll do some more investigating on those tanks you suggested. Crxess, I have been vaping for 6 years although I don't consider myself an experienced vaper. I bought my provari around 3 years ago and found something that worked quite well for me. I haven't done much experimenting since. The 4 ohm cartos seem to handle the Volts pretty well and usually last around a month with clean, satisfying results. I haven't been able to achieve what I feel is a satisfying throat hit at lower voltage. Probably due to the cartos I've used? I should say that my provari has variable voltage, but not wattage. If I vape at 3 V, it's barely something I can feel. I've heard that ohm to volt ratios are less of an issue today because the coils have greatly improved. I'm sure you know way more about that than I do. I posted this thread because because I'm very curious and willing to try something new. I'm guessing that if I had a quality tank, I wouldn't have to vape at such high voltage. That would be ideal for me because it would also translate into longer battery life. Anyway, thanks for the suggestions. I'd be happy with any advice to improve my vaping experience.

 

[Frenchfry1942]

Really, most tanks will work. PG is just a thinner liquid so it will flow. Up your wick fullness about 20%.

 

[AndriaD]

I've never understood the fascination with the Nautilus; I thought it sucked rocks. In fact anything dual-coil sucks rocks.

I vape 85% PG for the same reason; if I use any more than about 15%-18% VG, I can't breathe at all, it feels like there's a hairball in my chest I can't get rid of to save my life. But if you have cartos "frying" with high-PG juice, it's not the high-PG that's the problem, it's that you're not priming them correctly; it takes time and patience.

I love Kayfun Lite Plus for a tank, used those exclusively for about 8-9 months. Nowadays I use an Achilles RDA, because it has a wonderfully tight draw, as tight as a carto, but really delivers the flavor, unlike cartos. I like building my own coils because that way "quality control" is ASSURED, and I don't have to wait around for the laggardly mailman to bring my coils.

The Achilles combines the best of RDA (top fill, none of that "vacuum" business) and RTA (it holds 2.5ml!); because of the tight airflow, you have to turn the power down (I had to drop from 10w to 9w when I switched to the Achilles from Kayfuns), so it's very conservative on juice usage -- as conservative as a carto, but again, so much better than a carto because you can actually taste what you're vaping, strong and clear, whereas cartos are just a tease, just a suggestion of flavor but not the whole flavor.

Andria

 

[Katya]

Hi there,

If I vape a 50/50 mix, my lungs feel heavy and I develop a nasty cough. As such, I use pg heavy liquids. Usually 80/20 or 100% pg. These are very satisfying and don't cause any trouble. My problem is that it seems most tanks, cartos, what have you are more geared towards vg vapers.

Thanks, take care

Same here. I like 70/30 PG/VG. It's my perfect ratio and it works with pretty much everything. I use Eleaf GS Air tanks (with 1.5Ω replaceable coils that can also be rebuilt as single coils) and sometimes my older Aerotanks and Emow tank. No problems whatsoever.

If you're looking for an RTA, I use mostly my Kayfun 4 (Tobeco clone) and sometimes my Lemo Drop. I just ordered a new Subtank mini because it has better airflow control for mouth to lung vapers--no opinion yet.

Good luck!

 

[Rabbit Slayer]

I've never understood the fascination with the Nautilus; I thought it sucked rocks. In fact anything dual-coil sucks rocks.

Andria

They have BVC that are single coil and work great, imo

 

[Katya]

In fact anything dual-coil sucks rocks.

I beg to differ..

Dual coils provide more vapor at lower wattages (per coil), so, if anything, they are a safer way to vape, apart from temperature control, of course.

I use both single and dual coils--no problems.

 

[crxess]

Thanks everyone. I'll do some more investigating on those tanks you suggested. Crxess, I have been vaping for 6 years although I don't consider myself an experienced vaper. I bought my provari around 3 years ago and found something that worked quite well for me. I haven't done much experimenting since. The 4 ohm cartos seem to handle the Volts pretty well and usually last around a month with clean, satisfying results. I haven't been able to achieve what I feel is a satisfying throat hit at lower voltage. Probably due to the cartos I've used? I should say that my provari has variable voltage, but not wattage. If I vape at 3 V, it's barely something I can feel. I've heard that ohm to volt ratios are less of an issue today because the coils have greatly improved. I'm sure you know way more about that than I do. I posted this thread because because I'm very curious and willing to try something new. I'm guessing that if I had a quality tank, I wouldn't have to vape at such high voltage. That would be ideal for me because it would also translate into longer battery life. Anyway, thanks for the suggestions. I'd be happy with any advice to improve my vaping experience.

Thanks for the additional info. brings light to the Convo.
Yes, if you are used to 4.0ohm cartos you would need the extra voltage just to get them going.
4.0 nearing 5v
2.0 good at 3.8v
1.7 ohm around 3.6v
See the correlation?

Wattage charts make things a little simpler, but it translates to the same thing. Lower ohm to lower power(v) requirement for like coil construction.

Voltage need drops, but Wattage stays the same.(roughly)
a Month is a good figure(excellent actually) for a single carto

Learning to coil, perhaps a simple RDA to start, is a great advantage to tuning your perfect vape.
Once comfortable with Coil build and wick technique, a Rebuildable tank is a great thing to have. Durable and super cheap to maintain.

If you have been strictly Carto's you are working with time to fail issues. Cartomizers become saturated over time to the point they will no longer transfer liquid properly. That is when they just start leaking like a bad faucet. The thinner the e-liquid the more noticeable the failure.(Faster Flooding)

I must agree, a good carto tank is a very nice Vape. I have moved beyond, but have a large reserve for just in case situations.

 

[AndriaD]

I beg to differ..

Dual coils provide more vapor at lower wattages (per coil), so, if anything, they are a safer way to vape, apart from temperature control, of course.

I use both single and dual coils--no problems.

What I most disliked about the Nautilus was that it actually *changed* the flavor of my vape -- I haven't found that with any other atty. With every other one, some had stronger flavor, some had weaker, but the flavor was still the same -- with the Nautilus, it might as well have been different juice.

I tried it before they had options for their coils; they had one type of coil, and that was it. I hated it 100% and sold it ASAP.

But I've never found "more vapor" to be "better" -- just harder to handle. Dual coil almost always mean more heat, which is harder to handle, and yeah, produce more vapor -- harder to handle.

Andria

 

[Katya]

What I most disliked about the Nautilus was that it actually *changed* the flavor of my vape -- I haven't found that with any other atty. With every other one, some had stronger flavor, some had weaker, but the flavor was still the same -- with the Nautilus, it might as well have been different juice.

I'm not an expert on the Nautilus; Aspire first made BDC coils for their atties (same basic design as Kanger duals) and then switched to single vertical coil design (BVC)--alas, they decided to wrap those coils in fiberglass... They switched to cotton, eventually, after a big to do from upset vapers, but I haven't tried those.

But I've never found "more vapor" to be "better" -- just harder to handle. Dual coil almost always mean more heat, which is harder to handle, and yeah, produce more vapor -- harder to handle.

I understand. But dual coil doesn't mean more heat--actually, quite the opposite is true as each coil gets only half the load (power, heat) of a single coil at the same wattage: 10 watts thrown at a dual coil atty equals 5 watts per coil). But that's just physics. How we perceive things and what we like and dislike is a different matter altogether.

 

[Deadkaiser]

hmmm you sure
1. would have thought a very similar amount of energy was getting transfer into heat when running 2 coils v's 1 coil at the same wattage so sure the single coil will be hotter but the total heat output should be the same..... imo
2. Also you will nearly always run more watts for the dual coil v's single coil since you need more watts to heat up that increase thermal mass and due to the power getting split so imo AndriaD is right there would be more heat produce most of the time unless you built some weird coils..... although i would never describe a dual coil as "harder to handle" but simply different.....

anyway OP take the plunge get a Kayfun 4 and i'll almost put money on it that you will never use a cartos again GL

 

[Katya]

hmmm you sure
1. would have thought a very similar amount of energy was getting transfer into heat when running 2 coils v's 1 coil at the same wattage so sure the single coil will be hotter but the total heat output should be the same..... imo

I was talking about the 10 watts hitting one coil vs the same 10 watts hitting two coils--split load. But of course 10 watts is ten watts. But less stress on individual coils and less potential for overheating--per coil.

2. Also you will nearly always run more watts for the dual coil v's single coil since you need more watts to heat up that increase thermal mass and due to the power getting split so imo AndriaD is right there would be more heat produce most of the time unless you built some weird coils..... although i would never describe a dual coil as "harder to handle" but simply different.....

It's not true in my case. I actually like 5-6 watts per coil (10-12 watts) when I'm using dual coils because I'm getting more vapor at lower settings due to increased surface area. More liquid is being vaporized--more vapor--less heat needed--shorter drags--works for me. YMMV

When I use single coils, I need at least 7-9 watts per coil to get a satisfactory vape. Often much more than that with my RBAs.

But that's just me. There's no right or wrong in vaping--it's just what works.

 

[SomeTexan]

I would suggest looking into the Smok Micro GDC. It is similar to the Nautilus, but better construction and performance in my opinion. It also has a sleeve on the coil that can be adjusted up and down. It partially covers the wick holes and lets you adjust for the juice you run.

 

[Deadkaiser]

I actually like 5-6 watts per coil (10-12 watts) when I'm using dual coils because I'm getting more vapor at lower settings due to increased surface area. More liquid is being vaporized--more vapor--less heat needed--shorter drags--works for me.

wow what the hell do you vape on! they seriously they have to be some small coils

 

[AndriaD]

I'm not an expert on the Nautilus; Aspire first made BDC coils for their atties (same basic design as Kanger duals) and then switched to single vertical coil design (BVC)--alas, they decided to wrap those coils in fiberglass... They switched to cotton, eventually, after a big to do from upset vapers, but I haven't tried those.

I understand. But dual coil doesn't mean more heat--actually, quite the opposite is true as each coil gets only half the load (power, heat) of a single coil at the same wattage: 10 watts thrown at a dual coil atty equals 5 watts per coil). But that's just physics. How we perceive things and what we like and dislike is a different matter altogether.

Well, after that total fail with the Nautilus, I bit the bullet and got a KFL+ -- and haven't looked back at all, to any kind of "replacement coil" atty. After learning to build coils in T3S's and Mini PT II's, kayfuns really were a piece o'cake, as I had been told, and the vape was so much better -- more flavor, more TH -- I saw no need for anything else. I did try a Smok RSBT at one point, and really hated it too -- it's got the same open-bottom arrangement as the Protanks and T3S, so with my thin juice, it either leaked like a sieve, or I had to use so much cotton it gave dry hits. So I put that one away (recently PIFed it to someone who seems to really like it) and just stuck with the kayfuns.

And I still just can't abide dual coils, whether tanks, RDAs, or cartos; to me the vape is hot and unpleasant, and just too vaporish, and a lot of dual-coil attys are too airy for me.

Andria