I could have died today (and why e-liquid bottles aren't safe enough!)

[Jim532]

I would be more concerned about the nic contamination in food that is sold to the public, or as you said, showering people & thier kids with it. Perhaps it would be better if you used the nic patches as it would be safer for yourself & everyone else.

 

[DMF]

you took the cap off, from a bottle that was heated , turned it upsidedown so the gases that had built were at the unopened end of the bottle, causing pressure to build and pop the top sending the pressurized liquid out in a rapid manner. Doesn't sound like an explosion to me, more a release of pressure at the point where liquid can actually come out in normal circumstances and due to the force of the gases behind the liquid happened in a more rapid fashion causing the weak point (poptop) to do it's job and pop off before an actual bleve could happen. it's kind of common sense to see that this could happen and I would've thought you'd expel some of the "air' in the bottle prior to turning it upside down knowing that heat could've built pressure. Also, it's really better to hold a bottle away from the body when filling if for no other reason to prevent stains on one's clothes but in this case obviously to prevent damages.

 

[Jim532]

you took the cap off, from a bottle that was heated , turned it upsidedown so the gases that had built were at the unopened end of the bottle, causing pressure to build and pop the top sending the pressurized liquid out in a rapid manner. Doesn't sound like an explosion to me, more a release of pressure at the point where liquid can actually come out in normal circumstances and due to the force of the gases behind the liquid happened in a more rapid fashion causing the weak point (poptop) to do it's job and pop off before an actual bleve could happen. it's kind of common sense to see that this could happen and I would've thought you'd expel some of the "air' in the bottle prior to turning it upside down knowing that heat could've built pressure. Also, it's really better to hold a bottle away from the body when filling if for no other reason to prevent stains on one's clothes but in this case obviously to prevent damages.

Sounds spot on, as logic tells us that these bottles don't just "suddenly explode". So the reality is that the top popped off a drama queen's bottle.
When I was stupid enough to put a 10ml bottle of 36mg in my shirt pocket without checking that the top was screwed on there was no drama when the contents covered my chest. What made it worse was that there was no nossle on the bottle, just the "insecure" top. To this day I have never mentioned it to the wife as she wouldn't be sympathetic of my stupidity.

 

[odiedodi]

you took the cap off, from a bottle that was heated , turned it upsidedown so the gases that had built were at the unopened end of the bottle, causing pressure to build and pop the top sending the pressurized liquid out in a rapid manner. Doesn't sound like an explosion to me, more a release of pressure at the point where liquid can actually come out in normal circumstances and due to the force of the gases behind the liquid happened in a more rapid fashion causing the weak point (poptop) to do it's job and pop off before an actual bleve could happen. it's kind of common sense to see that this could happen and I would've thought you'd expel some of the "air' in the bottle prior to turning it upside down knowing that heat could've built pressure. Also, it's really better to hold a bottle away from the body when filling if for no other reason to prevent stains on one's clothes but in this case obviously to prevent damages.

I've been vaping for almost a year now and until Sunday I've never had a bottle in my pocket get hot enough for the top to fire off. Not that I'm saying it couldn't happen. In fact I can easily understand how it could, which again is why I think the tops should be threaded. It's not like unscrewing a lid is going to be that much more of an inconvenience to people than popping it off. I wasn't filling it really close to my body either, although I was in a car. There was just so much pressure built up that it sprayed all over me. Jim, I'm trying to be respectful, but you're starting to grind my gears now. You took a hypothetical situation I presented to you and took it to mean that I fill my juice inside my place of business. I don't, nor do I think anybody should, but if you think that every vaper is like that, you're nuts. I guarantee you that there are people that have and do fill their cartos in public areas, and what happened to me could just as well happen to them. Most people know nicotine absorbs through the skin, but most don't realize how serious it is. Here is a very interesting study to put it into perspective:

In vitro test of nicotine's permeability through human skin. Risk evaluation and safety aspects

While I don't know how PG and VG solutions would affect absorption rate, I also don't want to be the guy to find out.

 

[Jim532]

In vitro test of nicotine's permeability through human skin. Risk evaluation and safety aspects
Just read all of it. My appologies, Nicotine on the skin is much more serious than I imagined. Everyone who uses the stuff should have a read of those tests, then we will all be drama queens. When you wash it off it makes it worse as you have diluted the nicotine thats already in the skin which causes it to be absorbed faster. I was lucky that I was 15 min from home when it happened to me as I wiped as much of it off as I could as there was no water supply. When I did wash what was left off there couldn't have been enough left on my skin to have a toxic effect. But what if I was unaware that the nic had leaked? As it was 36mg the answer to that is I doubt that I would be here to make this post. Today I intend to dilute my base nic down to 50mg (& the latex gloves will also be on). Many thanks for the link, I will never look at nic the same again.

 

[rdwg]

I use needle tip bottles for my tanks. The caps screw on so they won't pop off and they're perfect for tank filling. I got mine from BWB Needle Tip Bottle

 

[markfm]

At the user level, typically 24 mg/ml and below, people can expect occasional contact with eliquid, it's a part of life. If it's a small quantity, most people are absolutely fine just wiping it off with a kleenex or paper towel; we are, after all, nicotine addicted, have at least some level of tolerance to it. (people who regularly vape 36 mg/ml likewise have a tolerance for higher strength, the same kleenex kind of approach likely is fine)

Larger spills, or higher mg (higher than you normally use), absolutely go for the washing.

Working with 50 - 100 mg you should be a DIY person, which means read the precautions, follow appropriate safety procedures.

I just had a full 6ml daily-use bottle go through a full wash/dry cycle, unintentionally, at home. It was absolutely fine. Guess I'll stay with the bottles I use

The abstract of the article referenced above doesn't state that washing it off is bad, but rather "The length of contact time affected the amount of substance passing the skin, ... This emphasizes the importance of washing away nicotine spilled on skin rapidly. " In other words, if you get a bunch of nicotine on you, by all means wipe/wash it off. It's important to get this stuff straight.

I always have been, and remain, more concerned about keeping eliquids away from kids and pets than the little bits I get on me from vaping. Others don't have nicotine tolerance. This includes making sure that any mop-up tissues/kleenex aren't in places accessible to others.

 

[Vaptor]

Why would you carry so much juice with out anyway? All sorts of accidents can happen and any container can break. No one should walk around with more that 10ml. Common sense really. Posts like this is just what the Anti-ecig Nazis waiting to hear so they have arsenal against us.