It takes 60mg of nicotine to kill a person. I had 270 mg on me. I work at a grocery store. If I were filling it up inside when it happened, it could have gotten all over the food and/or customers. How would you feel if you were shopping and your kid suddenly got covered with 270 milligrams of nicotine? Would you laugh it off then?
I could have died today (and why e-liquid bottles aren't safe enough!)
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It takes 60mg of nicotine to kill a person. I had 270 mg on me. I work at a grocery store. If I were filling it up inside when it happened, it could have gotten all over the food and/or customers. How would you feel if you were shopping and your kid suddenly got covered with 270 milligrams of nicotine? Would you laugh it off then?
I feel like this too. Could have died?? really?? At 18mg strength? Died?
I believe modern people lack reasonable risk analysis skills. This is a perfect example.
Look, everyone who's used ejuice for any length of time knows that some bottles flow more freely than others. This is more or less just the nature of the beast. If you have a problem with the flow, here's a trick to get the nozzle off:
Unscrew the cap almost all the way, apply some pressure laterally. Now the cap is gone and you can get a syringe down in there or pour the juice into a friendlier bottle. Since you seem to be having problems with plastic dropper bottles, perhaps invest in a few glass bottles of the eye dropper variety. Mad vapes, e cig express et al, sell these things for under 2 bucks.
And while we are on the subject, many e-juice vendors do sell their juice in glass bottles with eye dropper.
Yeah i mean if you ingest 60mg of nicotine, yeah it might kill you, but just on you? For a matter of 3-4 minutes?
I think the OP's concern is justified. He probably wouldn't have died, but he was right to recognize it as a serious situation.
This study found that if an area of skin 13.6 dm2 (decimeters squared) is covered with 1% nicotine (10mg/ml) for 15 minutes, 30 mg of nicotine can be absorbed. To put that in perspective the area of skin on a human body is about 1.5 - 2 m2 (square meters) and 13.6 dm2 is equal to 0.136 m2, which is only around 7% of the surface area of the skin.
To put it more simply, if roughly 10% of your skin is covered with a solution of nicotine that is 10 mg/ml, it would only take 15 minutes for you to absorb 30 mg, which is considered the bottom end of a lethal dose.
If nothing else, this thread should serve as a warning to those who may be using plastic drip bottles while driving or somewhere that water isn't available to wash off the solution in the case of a spill.
This study found that if an area of skin 13.6 dm2 (decimeters squared) is covered with 1% nicotine (10mg/ml) for 15 minutes, 30 mg of nicotine can be absorbed. To put that in perspective the area of skin on a human body is about 1.5 - 2 m2 (square meters) and 13.6 dm2 is equal to 0.136 m2, which is only around 7% of the surface area of the skin.
To put it more simply, if roughly 10% of your skin is covered with a solution of nicotine that is 10 mg/ml, it would only take 15 minutes for you to absorb 30 mg, which is considered the bottom end of a lethal dose.
If nothing else, this thread should serve as a warning to those who may be using plastic drip bottles while driving or somewhere that water isn't available to wash off the solution in the case of a spill.
I think there's a minor area of concern, but going into a somewhat dangerous area always does. Prior to using a new bottle of nicquid, I always jam a large paperclip down the hole to "waller it out" (that's a Southern term, there, Yankee). I've had a nipple pop off a bottle before. Fortunatley, I was home. I was able to wash it off MY HANDS. My point in the bold print is that the only thing in the proximity of me filling is my hands. I don't do it over my lap or directly in front of my face.
I think there is a bit of sensationalism in th OP. I think anyone with common sense and a fair amount of using squeeze bottles filled with nicotine knows that in order to pop the top and SPLASH hard enough to get on one's face, a seriously over-exerted amount of force had to have been present. If the pressure were caused by atmospheric conditions, the malfunction would be obvious immediately. As the facts presented show that there was no immediately occurring malfunction, I am led to believe that what we have been presented with is a case of operator error.
Be more careful when filling your tanks. /drama
I think there is a bit of sensationalism in th OP. I think anyone with common sense and a fair amount of using squeeze bottles filled with nicotine knows that in order to pop the top and SPLASH hard enough to get on one's face, a seriously over-exerted amount of force had to have been present. If the pressure were caused by atmospheric conditions, the malfunction would be obvious immediately. As the facts presented show that there was no immediately occurring malfunction, I am led to believe that what we have been presented with is a case of operator error.
Be more careful when filling your tanks. /drama
A typical 60 ml is too large a bottle for daily carry/refill, if it is being used just to top off cartos and tanks. I use 6 and 10ml for daily carry, have for just shy of 2 years, with never a bottle top popping off. The bottles I use are the classic USP boston round dropper bottles, absolutely a soft plastic, easy squeeze.
The larger bottles tend to be a thicker, more rigid, plastic, and the large neck size on the dropper cap also tends to make them less ideal for repeated use at small volumes. It tends to take more pressure to get the liquid out, and the mechanical forces on those wider necks, both the bottle neck and the dropper insert, will lead to weakening over time; you can expect to pop the top off eventually. The dropper makes it simpler to decant into a carry bottle, but I'm really not surprised if it will fail if used multiple times for relatively small applications each time.
It's also important to keep those dropper tips clear, they can clog over time, with repeated use, and if they ever get stored in a hot car you can get some "sag", partial occlusion of the hole. I expect a safety pin needle to go through the hole fairly easily -- if it won't, it's going to take extra pressure to use that tip. (I actually use a needle to periodically clear/open the feed hole).
A good reminder -- be careful with the various widgets used in vaping.
The larger bottles tend to be a thicker, more rigid, plastic, and the large neck size on the dropper cap also tends to make them less ideal for repeated use at small volumes. It tends to take more pressure to get the liquid out, and the mechanical forces on those wider necks, both the bottle neck and the dropper insert, will lead to weakening over time; you can expect to pop the top off eventually. The dropper makes it simpler to decant into a carry bottle, but I'm really not surprised if it will fail if used multiple times for relatively small applications each time.
It's also important to keep those dropper tips clear, they can clog over time, with repeated use, and if they ever get stored in a hot car you can get some "sag", partial occlusion of the hole. I expect a safety pin needle to go through the hole fairly easily -- if it won't, it's going to take extra pressure to use that tip. (I actually use a needle to periodically clear/open the feed hole).
A good reminder -- be careful with the various widgets used in vaping.
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Yes it is so important to store anything in a bottle in room temperature and keep shaded too. Glad you're alright!!!!
Yikes!!!
are you saying that you are filling cartos in a food environment where food is sold to the public?
I mix my own & dont even bother wearing gloves with 100mg/ml base nic. To be realistic it would take a hell of a lot longer than the 5 secs it takes me to walk to the tap & wash it off for it to be absorbed. At 18mg/ml & 15ml on you then you were right to wash it off & change your clothes. I had a 10ml bottle of 36mg in my shirt pocket on a winters day. The lid was insecure & most of the contents covered my chest. I just wiped it off & continued the 15 min walk home then washed & changed. I never "nearly died" nor did I suffer any ill effects. Many people are paranoid about nicotine, they seem to think that if it gets on your skin you are done for lol. So how many vapers to date have died due to nic getting on their skin? Enough said...
PS. I could have died today, too, as well as every person in the world. Some have, actually. It's a good addition to a title to emphasize the dramatization of the story.
wow that's crazy it probably scared the bejesus out of you and nic in the eye is no fun glad you're OK
I think some of you are missing the point here. I didn't make this post looking for attention. I made it as a warning to others to be careful. If you personally don't care about spilling large quantities of chemicals on yourself, as some of you have made clear, that's fine. Heck, if you want to bathe in nicotine, that's fine. I however do not, nor would I like to get anymore in my eyes. I simply think that the tips pop off way too easily and that threading them would alleviate any future problems with them popping off. If you think it's all my fault, that I'm an idiot, or that I'm being a drama queen, that's fine, but please keep that opinion to yourself.
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While I agree with the point of this thread, and the validity of your warning...
I think some people were a bit put off by the title of the thread.
Anyway, I took your thread to heart, and I will be more thoughtful and squeezing out juice from large bottles.
And I hope others do the same.
Maybe you could post a picture of the bottle that you use that this happened with ? I've never heard of this happening in the almost 3yrs I've been vaping now,, so I would just like to know what bottle was used here?? Chris at MFS is pretty darn reputable of a guy and I just cant see him using a bottle that would be dangerous, and seeing he has probably sold hundreds of thousands of these bottles and no one else reported this it makes me seriously wonder if it wasn't user error more than anything else, especially seeing your kind of new to vaping, please post a picture of this bottle for all of us to see Please, thanks odiedodi.
15mg x 18ml's = 18ml's of 15mg ,, it does not amount to 270MG Nic, sorry you could have 100ml' of 15mg and it is still 15mg, the mg's do not grow or the Nic get anymore potent, this is impossible, it amounts to 18ml's of 15mg Juice NOT 270mg !!!
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Huh? Clovery is correct in that 15ml of juice that is 18mg/ml would be a total of 270mg of nicotine.
Total nic = Concentration x Volume. We do this all the time in diy, calculating how much nic base is needed.
270 mg is indeed the total nic Contained in 15ml of 18mg/ml
Time for a diversion -- "Look, Squirrel!"
270 mg is indeed the total nic Contained in 15ml of 18mg/ml
Time for a diversion -- "Look, Squirrel!"
I would still like to see a picture of this bottle and how this could possibly happen.
I also want to see a pic of that (attempted) murderous little bottle that exploded!
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