I don’t know what level this game is being played at

[bombastinator]

there are a lot of partial truths flying around. Everyone wants everyone else to take action before the actual facts are in. There are a lot of players and a lot of lives and a lot of money. People seem very willing to trade the lives of others for money or power.

The problem is the lives being thrown around are mine and those of others on this site. I’m not real happy about it and I don’t know what to say or do.

 

[stols001]

I don't know either. I have had the kind of week where I can't think about it too much yet, thank God. I barely know what is going on other than-- UGH.

Anna

 

[ENAUD]

My conspiracy mind likes to think that there are moves and counter moves and side plays worked out many maneuvers in advance against us...and my rational mind thinks that there has been some unfortunate events that fell into the hands of the media and politicians, and they are capitalizing on the moment. It's a crap fest right now, and am personally hoping things simmer down and cooler heads prevail.

 

[bnrkwest]

I get the feeling that no one likes us vapers. A very strong discrimination again us from all sides. Not pleasant at all.

 

[bombastinator]

I get the feeling that no one likes us vapers. A very strong discrimination again us from all sides. Not pleasant at all.

There is power money and lives. And the lives are ours. They just don’t seem to have much value compared to the other currencies at the moment.

 

[jandrew]

I get the feeling that no one likes us vapers. A very strong discrimination again us from all sides. Not pleasant at all.

We've been too busy successfully saving ourselves that we lack the appropriate level of victim-hood to garner any sympathy or support.

That we've had the audacity to successfully raise ourselves from the ashes without the Helping Hands of either Anti-Smoking Zealots or Government or Big Pharma or any other agency beyond our own is a disruptive and dangerous precedent. Further action against us is obviously required.

 

[stols001]

Nope, it's just nobody likes a disgusting, vile, foul and poverty-stricken non-COPD ridden smoker, and that's what vapers are to a lot of folks.

If you want to like, be addicted to nicotine, you had better be willing to pay-- either the nicotine gods, where you smell terrible, you don't know what food tastes like and you die of a horrible disease, or to big pharma where your granny suddenly buys an AK-47 and shoots some smoker relatives, and then offs herself.

It is only right.

It's like having a vice that is too good for you, nobody likes the poker player who can count cards. It's like... unfair or something.

Who knows. For all we know, Trump agreed to pay for all of Space Force to China against the Aliens in exchange for killing off vaping.

Also-- politics. I'm sorry but I only want to know EXACTLY and completely enough to make sure that *I* get what I want/need without consequences.

That appears to be the EXACTLY correct amount of "buyer" to have "enough" without tripping any triggers.

Although I probably would feel safer SMOKING outside at the moment than vaping and I will be planning to seriously evaluate the use of my vapes in Cars (OH GOD YUCK) because we have shifting like, border checkpoints around here and we all know Trump wants vaping just as bad as he wants the Wall.

Anna

 

[Katya]

I’m not real happy about it and I don’t know what to say or do.

National Call to Action - Light up the White House Switchboard

And join and support CASAA.

Call the White House. Tweet and bug your president (if you're on Twitter). Call or email your Congressional representatives. Sign another petition:

Petition to stop flavor ban.

Join the march on Washington.

Do what we've been doing for over 10 years.

 

[stratus.vaping]

It's being played at the "Big Money" level, you get there by climbing up the players below, squashing them as you go.

Unless you can match that level of money, you can't compete and your influence can only be miniscule no matter how many of you there are.

Check out every other fundamental cause on the planet, some of them are critical to our survival yet the same game is played there too. Low importance games can have Small Money winners, in order to keep the audience interested and buying tickets.

It's a Mad Mad World.

 

[sonicbomb]

Im in the UK so it's a different deal for me than for US members, but I remember when I first started vaping in 2010 virtually no one knew about vaping. Then a few years later I saw my first billboard advertising an ecig and I knew right then that the game was up. I clearly remember thinking that now this tech is on the general radar there is going to be trouble.

I'm convinced that If the UK did not have a national health system, then the same forces would be shutting down vaping as you are experiencing in the US. Greed and money are going to be the death of our species, not just vaping.

 

[Jebbn]

you have 34mil smokers in the US each paying about $1.50 a day in excise and tax to the state and federal coffers.
Something like 185bil a year income less some expenses. Its a beautiful income stream. Add to that tobacco company tax and income and expenditure tax of tobacco company workers and you have a pretty good little earner.
If vaping provided a similar level of income stream maybe tobacco co's would be dropped like a hot potato and vaping would be welcomed with open arms.
Meantime China has probably made more out of US vapers than the US has and theyve done it by cutting into Americas profits from tax as more vapers quit tobacco.

 

[BrotherBob]

National Call to Action - Light up the White House Switchboard
And join and support CASAA.

I made my call this morning after receiving the CASAA email. It takes a few seconds to say:
" Flavored vapor products saved your life; and, “We Vape, We Vote."
I would think that the message would get across if a low percentages of the 9 million US vapers took the time to call.