So now with FDA and Big tobacco both wanting to play are what is going to happen.?

[latexyankee]

I'm highly optimistic the FDA will legislate for an: only sell USP grade Nicotine liquid at pre-determined strengths to the public with Mfrs requiring permits to sell/purchase Higher Strength (freebase) nicotine liquid by that I mean over 50mg.

Personally, I welcome this kind of action. I think if they do not regulate Nicotine Liquid the market will be flooded with Cowboys selling all sorts of low grade products. Not everybody has access to ECF and the like. They have to consider the Masses. When the FDA makes its decision it will be based on the lowest common denominator.

I also believe tobacco Companies have eventually found their Holy Grail. Electronic cigarettes have given them the ability to Redeem themselves. Society has made them accountable for All its ills. Yet has failed to take responsibility for its individual choices. And now they alone have the finances and lobbyists to fight this campaign forward for us, especially if the 'Decision' should go to Appeal.

The Governments approach to the Smoking bans has seriously limited their coffers. They didn't foresee this initially and BP lead them by nose promising that should people stop smoking there would be a lot less disease resulting in less strain on medical services, however this has been eclipsed by obesity related illnesses and yet Smokers are still demonized for their habits and their money is still welcome. As for medical services they are under unprecedented levels of strain even with a decline in smokers.

The result of revenues lost due the drop in smoking numbers and the cost of Subsidising nicotine cessation products and quit campaigns, has forced governments to look elsewhere for stealth taxes. I don't think Fat Tax* is a distant reality either.

Yet Governments dilemma with vaping is that it is tobacco harm reduction, taxing it A Lot will be counter intuitive and inevitably cause Negative publicity in the long run. I don't think anyone can honestly predict the outcome right now but,

I live in Hope.



Fat Tax: One which I welcome and believe it should be applied on all Flights, weigh the individual Then their luggage.

Agreed, and very well put.

 

[Scarecrow7170]

Please elaborate, exactly how would this happen?

They wont just tax the nic juices.. but ALL juices. simple really. Everything can be taxed.. we haven't had a revolt in over 200 years.

 

[2coils]

CASAA paints a much different picture than just taxes. I'm not sure what this means but it doesn't sound good.

"Refusing to allow sale of products introduced after February of 2007 may force all of the most effective e-cigarettes off the market."

I am not one who likes to paint doom and gloom pictures but I urge our community to do all of the research they can on this. Here is a link Learn About Electronic Cigarettes to CASAA for anyone who is interested.

 

[thxone]

My problem is, how many times can the SAME THING be taxed??? Why is everyone staking a claim to over taxing Nicotine? Why is it that nicotine might be taxed? Let me say this, when the tobacco or the plants that contain nicotine are grown, processed and sold, is it not taxed? Yes it is. Guess what, the nicotine is ALREADY IN IT and has now been taxed. When tobacco is further processed and made into cigarettes is it not taxed again? Sure is. When does the amount of tax become more than the value of the thing being taxed? The moment things are taxed does it not become illegal for US to profit from it... it sure does, why, because those making the tax will lose money... so laws are passed to protect them and force us to pay it. It's aggravating to me, so many options are taken away from us over greed and then this greed is protected by laws. Since I have the freedom of religion and believe "Greed" is a sin, should I not be exempt from taxes, shouldn't all of us that believe in sin? This is just my example and I am droning on and on now... but I think you my see my points.

 

[Heavyrocker]

"I'll give you my PV when you pry (or take) it from my cold, dead hands."

The Taxman

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtksJEj2Keg

 

[Heavyrocker]

Agreed, and very well put.

A picture is wortha 1000 words.

HOPE

 

[Hello World]

My problem is, how many times can the SAME THING be taxed??? Why is everyone staking a claim to over taxing Nicotine? Why is it that nicotine might be taxed? Let me say this, when the tobacco or the plants that contain nicotine are grown, processed and sold, is it not taxed? Yes it is. Guess what, the nicotine is ALREADY IN IT and has now been taxed. When tobacco is further processed and made into cigarettes is it not taxed again? Sure is. When does the amount of tax become more than the value of the thing being taxed? The moment things are taxed does it not become illegal for US to profit from it... it sure does, why, because those making the tax will lose money... so laws are passed to protect them and force us to pay it. It's aggravating to me, so many options are taken away from us over greed and then this greed is protected by laws. Since I have the freedom of religion and believe "Greed" is a sin, should I not be exempt from taxes, shouldn't all of us that believe in sin? This is just my example and I am droning on and on now... but I think you my see my points.

You are trying to apply reason, rationality, logic and common sense to understand taxes.

It doesn't have any.

It's based on the principle of how to pull the most feathers with the least amount of squawk.

You could give the Gov't all the money you have, and they'll be back next Tuesday for more. The only reason they don't waste/spend more of it is because their creditors will downgrade their ratings or cut them off.

 

[Thrasher]

They wont just tax the nic juices.. but ALL juices. simple really. Everything can be taxed.. we haven't had a revolt in over 200 years.

and whats to stop me from going to TFA a 40 year old flavoring company and just buying my flavor and pg there? all used in foods and food production for 50 years? i dont understand how they can put a tax or ban on something that originally wasnt even used in this industry. and has several uses outside of this industry if it does not contain nic.


and they may stop "ecigs" from 7-11. but i am sure it will not stop me from going to the local headshop and buying a "flashlight mod" as they were originally designed from anyways.


Nic is also used as a rodent and bug poison, don't put it past the internet DIY pest control and garden centers to suddenly start carrying certified clean base nicotine.
black market or not, this is america lol show me something they banned that i cant find a way to buy.
prescription drugs, s##ds, anything else = no matter how much they outlaw it its just a mouse click away.

 

[Heavyrocker]

Isnt there a ban (WAR) on drugs?...is it working?

 

[VaperBart]

CASAA paints a much different picture than just taxes. I'm not sure what this means but it doesn't sound good.

"Refusing to allow sale of products introduced after February of 2007 may force all of the most effective e-cigarettes off the market."

Yeah? Well they can force my Vamo out of my cold dead hands....along with my J-Tank and Bobas Bounty!!

 

[Thompson]

LMAO..

It will be taxed for sure (good ol government wont pass up on the opportunity).. A shame that the 0 nic will be as well.

Just make it yourself. PG, VG & flavorings aren't going any where.

But I doubt they are going to tax it. It may become more expensive if they put regulations and standards in place.

 

[oxygen thief]

You know, small businesses drive our economy. Most of our vendors are small but growing businesses. To regulate them out of business is ... backwards thinking that only government is capable of.
I don't know how our vendors had the faith to jump into this. Most of my day today will be spent writing my representatives. This is one issue that I'm going to try every avenue to let them hear my story. This is the time and today is the day. YeeHaa!!

 

[Beretta]

They will tax the hell out of the e-juice,thats all.

There is no justification for taxing e-juice, heavily, to make up for lost tobacco revenues. One of the CASAA members here discussed that the tobacco "tax" is actually considered a sin tax, in the sense that the resulting health consequences of tobacco costs society a great deal of money dealing with the health problems of those who end up with major health problems. The state ends up paying for alot of it in medicare expenditures for those who qualify.

With vaping, there is no harmful combustion, smoke, BT added poisons (that the FDA allows), carcinogens, and 3000+ other chemical cocktails that make tobacco qualify for the "sin" tax.

Therefore, there is no justification for "taxing the hell" out of ejuice. It's just nicotine, a mild stimulant like caffeine that, in low doses, does little to no harm to the body. Congress's argument for replacing tax revenue with a tax on ejuice will be invalid.

Taxing the nicotine in ejuice would be akin to taxing caffeine in sodas. It's purely illogical, and just plain stupid.

 

[the_vape_nerd]

They will tax the hell out of the e-juice,thats all.

exactly, nicotine juice is the choke point...the rest of it can be made at home so they can't get you that way...the only rational route then is to tax the nic

 

[the_vape_nerd]

There is no justification for taxing e-juice, heavily, to make up for lost tobacco revenues. One of the CASAA members here discussed that the tobacco "tax" is actually considered a sin tax, in the sense that the resulting health consequences of tobacco costs society a great deal of money dealing with the health problems of those who end up with major health problems. The state ends up paying for alot of it in medicare expenditures for those who qualify.

With vaping, there is no harmful combustion, smoke, BT added poisons (that the FDA allows), carcinogens, and 3000+ other chemical cocktails that make tobacco qualify for the "sin" tax.

Therefore, there is no justification for "taxing the hell" out of ejuice. It's just nicotine, a mild stimulant like caffeine that, in low doses, does little to no harm to the body. Congress's argument for replacing tax revenue with a tax on ejuice will be invalid.

this is the same bunch of hooligans that vote for a bill that spends millons of dollars on snail mating habit studies...invalid arguments never stopped them before

 

[Beretta]

Just make it yourself. PG, VG & flavorings aren't going any where.

But I doubt they are going to tax it. It may become more expensive if they put regulations and standards in place.

They'll probably make VG and PG go behind the counter, and require a prescription for it, then tax it to those "licensed" dealers who sell it to ejuice consumers. Congress will get their warrantless sin tax one way or another. They have to fill up their general fund coffers to spend on frivolous things like sending foreign aid to dictators, funding warrantless wars, and building bridges to nowhere.

 

[Porrn-Hair]

I hope it's just Taxe$ ( I'll pay)
Alan
& Not a Ban on all E-cigs & related hardware...
Now if a Ban is in our future... would it be wise to start stocking up on my flavorate juices, cardos, attys? maybe even buy a spare Provari ,& Segelei & start learning how to use a Genesis type thingy... or are we gonna be able to buy our stuff overseas or Blackmarket.

Would would you stock up on if there was a Ban? How much & what & for how long....????

 

[kristin]

There is no justification for taxing e-juice, heavily, to make up for lost tobacco revenues. One of the CASAA members here discussed that the tobacco "tax" is actually considered a sin tax, in the sense that the resulting health consequences of tobacco costs society a great deal of money dealing with the health problems of those who end up with major health problems. The state ends up paying for alot of it in medicare expenditures for those who qualify.

With vaping, there is no harmful combustion, smoke, BT added poisons (that the FDA allows), carcinogens, and 3000+ other chemical cocktails that make tobacco qualify for the "sin" tax.

Therefore, there is no justification for "taxing the hell" out of ejuice. It's just nicotine, a mild stimulant like caffeine that, in low doses, does little to no harm to the body. Congress's argument for replacing tax revenue with a tax on ejuice will be invalid.

Taxing the nicotine in ejuice would be akin to taxing caffeine in sodas. It's purely illogical, and just plain stupid.

SMOKING not "tobacco." Smoke-free tobacco is already mostly taxed at a lower rate than cigarettes and other combustibles. There is no evidence that smoke-free tobacco products, including e-cigarettes, cause the same costs to society in the lost labor and healthcare they attribute to SMOKING and use to justify charging smokers excessive taxes to "pay back" those costs. The ANTZ have been trying to raise taxes on smoke-free tobacco and CASAA has been fighting those efforts.

It be like the environmental taxes for using polluting fossil fuels (meant to encourage industries to care for the environment by switching to cleaner energy) being applied to people who use alternative sources like wind or solar, just because they also create energy just like the fossil fuels.