I don't get the fuss

[Jode]

As the title suggests, I just don't get the fuss about building my own coils. I wanted to try it since I see people saying how much better flavor is or clouds are bigger and what nots so I got a Zenith V2 RDA (suggested as a good starter by Madvapes in store). I got some 28kanther wire and organic cotton. It took me three tries before I could make a coild that was over 1.4 ohms. The third was 1.8 and it looked really good. I was pretty pleased with myself. It seemed quite scary but once I did it I thought...Oh my this is quite easy. Anyhow, I put my cotton in and was so excited to taste my juice with my new coil. It wicked fine and worked great but no better or worse then any of my kanger or itaste tanks, so I am wondering what all the fuss is about? Is it just about the control, money, or what? Do I have a crappy atti and that is why I didn't see any difference? I should note that I did not get a mod because I didn't plan to sub ohm and knew I would be building coils over 1.5 ohms. I am using my RDA on my MVP2. So I guess my question is am I doing something wrong and that is why I don't get fuss. I will use it for juice tasting so at least I didn't waste money

 

[iamthevoice]

Well, you've pretty much covered one of the big reasons for making your own coils... cost! It's pretty much defacto with RDAs, as buying premade coils seems just a little silly! The other factors include the ability to create coils or coil configurations that you could not get commercially and wicking to meet your specific needs! Glad it worked out well for you!

 

[KurrptSenate]

it's cheaper and better than pre-fab coils. considering this is your first real attempt, I wouldn't put unrealistic parameters on your coils and the comparison between those and pre-fab coils

That being said, if you stick with it and get better, there will be a huge difference between the flavor on a coil you made vs. one that came in a replaceable blister pack

 

[Train2]

One of the main advantages is the ability to try different setups, and often, to try different resistances.
Even with your MVP, you could see what it does with a 1 ohm coil...or lower.

But I've tried plenty of things that other people love, only to learn that it's not something I enjoy...

 

[Jode]

Ok great, so I didn't do anything wrong just need more practice. I didn't want to go under 1.5 ohms using my MVP cause I didn't wanna damage unit or temp battery safety issues. Can I go as low as 1 ohm? I used 1.5 as a guide cause that is what my mini kanger has and I have no problem.

 

[KurrptSenate]

you'd have to know the amp limit of your device, the resistance range it accepts, and then do the Ohm's Law calculation. You would then learn the coiling range of your device (what to shoot for) and also how high you can take your voltage/wattage

 

[jaxgator]

I just looked at the MVPs specs. I didn't see anything concerning the lowest ohm it will fire at. However, I did see that the highest wattage it will provide is 11w.

It's no wonder that you do not see any performance increase in your RDA over your tanks. Especially if you are building both around the same ohms. You need more power to see that increase.

I use only RDAs at the house and only build sub ohm in the .3Ω area. I do this because I only use my RDAs on my mech mods and it is the only way to adjust the power. At .3Ω with a fully charged battery, I am pushing 58.8 watts. See the difference?

All of my RDAs blow nice clouds that are full of flavor and easily out perform all of my RTAs.

If it were me, I would find out what the lowest ohm is that the MVP will fire at and build closer to that.

Also, don't forget air flow. You want the air hole on your dripper to be directly in front of the coil.

 

[todd0864]

It's also fun if you like to tinker with stuff. But I know vapers that are perfectly happy with a itaste vv/vw and aerotank combo.

 

[folkphys]

3.5Amp limit, last time I checked.......so a 1Ohm coil can only fire at 3.5 Volts.....that's ~12.25 Watts......I would shoot for a 1.2~1.3 ohm coil, set the MVP to Variable Voltage mode at ~4Volts and see if you like it.

Two things here:
1) in my MVP experience, you can get a bit more power and use lower resistances if you're in the VV mode.
2) Rebuilding allows you to fashion much larger coils and thus use much larger wicks than your standard Kanger/Aspire head. You see, those little replaceable guys are limited by their size, they can only pull in and vaporize so much juice at a time. That is why they dry out and burn when you turn up the Volts/Watts on them -- they simply cannot suck up juice fast enough for that increased speed of coil-heating. The problem is that you quickly run into the electrical limitations of a device like the MVP when you start rebuilding....that is why a 1.5Ohm 28g built coil wont necessarily outperform your 1.5Ohm Kanger head. In fact, it may actually underperform because there's so much more wire mass in the 28g coil. And that's why you either want to turn up the heat (so to speak) on, or reduce the resistance of your 28g coil to make it awesome.

 

[williebb123]

im sure when you get proficient at building coils and getting a wick that works correctly you will see a big difference , remember you can build the perfect coil but if the wick has too much cotton you wont know you just built the best coil known to man , try 1.0-1.2 ohm coils and play with different sizes of wicks starting with what you think is the smallest amount of cotton and go even smaller and let the cotton break in ( some need about 1/2 a tank to get real good) now you have something to take up your spare time , have fun and enjoy

 

[roxynoodle]

Yes, its the mvp's limitations. If you could fire it at 20w or more, you would understand why people like it so much

 

[Siochanai]

One reason people like to rebuild is that you can try crazy new ideas and see how it holds up. Right now for instance I am running a dual coil setup at 0.3 ohms. DO NOT USE ON MVP!!!! The coil is actually a combination betwwen a standard loose wrap coil and a tight wrap micro coil. It essentially allows the heat to create little juice pockets in the center of tje coil. The result has been huge vapor and amazing flavor almost like you are eating the juice. On a fresh battery I am looking at a 59 watt vape though. At nominal 3.7 that is still like 48 watts. That extra heat helps the vapor and flavor. Sadly once you start really rebuilding most regulated devices like the MVP are no longer usable. Heck my coil setup rigjt now will not even work on a dna 30 device.

 

[Pocha]

As the title suggests, I just don't get the fuss about building my own coils. I wanted to try it since I see people saying how much better flavor is or clouds are bigger and what nots so I got a Zenith V2 RDA (suggested as a good starter by Madvapes in store).

Closing down the airflow will concentrate the flavor as well. Not sure if you have the AFC all the way open but I usually have mine about 1/2 way open on my Zenith.

 

[TheKiwi]

1.8 ohms with 28 ga is A LOT of wire mass to heat up with a MVP even when maxed out.

Guarantee if you use a 30 ga, you'll see significant improvements.

 

[elenamylove]

Preparing your wick is also important!! Made this little post earlier, give it a try to see if this helps any.

Through Trial and Error I have learned this - Prepare the organic cotton

1. Gently unroll the cotton ball
2. Lay it down and flatten straight (not too rough)
3. Cut the ends to make even - Then cut in 3 usable squares or whatever 3 equal parts would be.
4. Then cut 3 strips out of one of the squares
5. Gently shape and form one of the 3 strips (you can pinch and pull apart one of the strips in half if it looks like too much cotton) - Done

This is what works for me and it works wonderfully. I use to just rip a little off the cotton ball and got terrible results.

Let me know if this helps!

 

[kickflipsnnollies]

^ that is very much gonna depend on the ID of your coil. There's a big difference in the wick for a 1.5mm ID coil and a 4mm ID coil.

 

[roxynoodle]

1.8 ohms with 28 ga is A LOT of wire mass to heat up with a MVP even when maxed out.

Guarantee if you use a 30 ga, you'll see significant improvements.

This as well. I just put a kayfun on my mvp because I ran out of mods and wanted to build it. Previously I had had a kayfun on the mvp with a 1.8 ohm coil and it was very slow to heat it. This time I put a 1.3 ohm coil in, and it did markedly better. Both were 28 gauge. So try a smaller gauge wire, or less wraps.

 

[MrPlink]

Dripping on a MVP is an exercise in futility at best.
As mentioned only way I could see it being remotely worthwhile is with smaller coils and very restrictive airflow.
Either get a mech with good cells and learn about mech/battery safety and start rocking some subohm builds or invest in a more powerful mod. Something AT LEAST in the range of an iStick

 

[Jode]

Much food for thought here. Thank you all. I am continuing to tinker with what I have for now. When my vape budget opens up a bit I will invest in something better to handle the different builds. I guess I was kind of sounding like the person that tries a cig-a-like and then says "whats the fuss" to somebody using vv/vw. I definitely see from some of these posts that I was not setting myself up for the best possible outcome. I did not have air holes in front of coil or actually didn't even think about their position in relation to coil, only how open they were. I do now see that even little changes like how much cotton is used effects things different so I can now see that this is something that will take time and trial and error before I find what I like. At the expense of making myself sound like an old fuddy duddy that cannot learn new tricks, I went this path because I get a bit confused by the safety information and don't want to endanger myself or any around me because I had to try the latest thing. It seems a lot of the info out there goes from "for dummies" right to "experts only" with very little in between. I won't give up but will continue to learn here and stick to my prebuilt stuff that are more the sufficient to keep me off cigs and that is what brought me here in the first place.

 

[Jjshbetz11]

Well keep us updated, dripping is as good as it gets, welcome to the dark side