I don't get the fuss

[dw117]

I second the comments on the fact you just plain need more power. The MVP is not an ideal device for dripping.

Someone posted that the amps limit is 3.5A so you're going to struggle. I have tried using drippers on an SVD which has a slightly higher amps limit of 5A but it still wasn't worth the effort. Only a few drippers work ok at that level I found.

Keep experimenting with the setup you've got but don't be put off RDAs as a whole based on it, because it gets way way way better.

When the time comes, as your budget is tight I'd recommend a decent mech mod clone and 1 or 2 decent 18650 batteries. Battery safety is important so get good cells.

All these replies might come as a bit of an information overload but here are some battery safety things to read if you decide on upgrading:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...eeper-understanding-mod-batteries-part-i.html

E-Cigarette Forum - Baditude - Blogs

- Baditude's blog posts are a good place to start I feel.

This has some useful tables for batteries etc:

Taste Your Juice | BATTERY INFORMATION

 

[OthatGuy]

The mvp is your problem, it just doesn't have the power. There's nothing wrong with going subohm. You don't have to get crazy but a 0.8 0hm build on a mod that will handle it, or a 1.4ohm build on something like a vamo, cheaper than an mvp. Will be a huge upgrade for you. Add long as you get good batteries and a multimeter, no shorts, you'll be fine...... And impressed.

 

[Jode]

Would an itaste 134 give me the performance I am looking for with rebuildables?

 

[DaveSignal]

Would an itaste 134 give me the performance I am looking for with rebuildables?

no. you should get a mech mod or, for regulated devices, a box mod that does at least 30+ watts. Sigelei 100 watt box is only $100.

 

[folkphys]

Would an itaste 134 give me the performance I am looking for with rebuildables?

The 134 has a 3.5 amp limit like the MVP2, so no, not any more so than you already have ......even the new iStick has a pretty low amp limit......but it can push out 20Watts.....until Innokin comes out with their DNA25 device, you'd need a decent 30Watt box mod or a mech to really make your rebuildables shine.

Although it certainly can be done with your MVP or an iStick, or Vamo, or even the 134......its just that, in these cases you would need to stay within the device's current draw limitations while also maximizing its power capabilities by building your coils just so (with resistance and wire mass).

 

[Lord Cardigan]

I'd have to say that I disagree with people badmouthing the mvp for dripping. And here is why.
It has horrid limitations, we all know that; power wise it will not come even close to a mech or even a decent regulated mod, there is a big difference between 11 and 15 watts. However, the mvp is a great opener to dripping:
Resistance meter
Good capacity
Versatile - great for RBA, clearos etc.

Most importantly though, you can learn on it. Its resistance limitations means that one is forced to calmly enter the world of dripping. I started on this, for about a week I'd daily build a new coil, new gauge, new width and so forth, I learnt heaps on it. When I finally went to mech mods and subohm, my coiling skills were already well developed.

TLDR mvp is great to get into dripping but obviously not a permanent solotion,
OP - learn how to use the mvp, you can get a decent drip out of it if you are clever. No fancy quads or anything, but you should be able to get a decent dual coil thing going with 30g easy. Single coil even easier.

 

[OthatGuy]

I understand your point cj and I agree but she said she's maxed it out and it's not doing it for her, I do Agree that there not a whole bunch of difference between that and a vamo for example but it's enough to make a significant difference in the vape and still has all the features you stated as far as safety goes.


In order to see the best build to put in a limited device go to an ohms law calculator and enter the devices max watts n voltage and see what ohm it gives you, then shoot for a coil at that resistance and you'll be able to get the most out of your mod.

 

[EvlSmrk]

In order to see the best build to put in a limited device go to an ohms law calculator and enter the devices max watts n voltage and see what ohm it gives you, then shoot for a coil at that resistance and you'll be able to get the most out of your mod.

Agreed, with the caveat that you need to keep an eye on the amp limit, as stated earlier, as well. It's possible to find the coil that will allow you to get the most out of your MVP while staying within the bounds of the device. Won't be as enjoyable, or as full of flavor, or produce as big of a cloud as a mech or a more capable box, but would be a good way to really get into starting with dripping.

 

[WattWick]

I agree that to make that specific coil work better/heat faster, more power is needed. HOWEVER! There are other ways of approaching this problem. As someone pointed out, such "high" resistances with 28 awg wire gives you a lot of metal to heat with not a whole lot of power to do so. In the spirit of one of the loveliest phrases I've ever read on ECF - "Let's work with what you got":

Since the MVP is a protected, regulated mod, I wouldn't worry about staying above a certain resistance for safety reasons. That's mech mod know-how applied to electronic mods. While a mech mod will allow you to fire anything, safe or not - a regulated mod will simply say "nu-uuh" and make you re-do your build at a higher resistance.

If you happen to have any 30 awg (or around there), try that. A lot less metal to heat per watt-hour spent. If not, try to make a 1.2-ish ohm coil with your 28 awg wire... if your MVP will fire that low. If not, try slightly higher.

 

[Auxx]

Get yourself cheap mech mod clone for 20$ like Nemesis from FastTech, a good battery for 10$ like Sony VTC4 or 5 and a good charger for another 20$ like Intellicharger i2 or i4. Make a single coil build at 1 ohm and you will feel a difference.

 

[Millah]

Maybe I'm in the minority, but I can vape my RDAs and RTAs at 10 watts and be perfectly satisfied. In fact, I never venture much over 15w. I just don't like high wattages, I like slow mouth-lung draws with a lot of flavor, yes even on my RDAs. In my experience, and I know a ton are going to disagree, you don't NEED high watts on a rebuildable to bring out the flavor. The most important thing is really nailing down all the fundamentals. Good coil build, proper airflow, and good wicking that is sufficiently saturating your coil. Given that she has been vaping on an MVP and clearos happily all this time, I don't imagine she needs higher watts. I think first before plunging and spending money on some box mod (or going into a mech mod with little experience), she needs to get better at the basic things. There's absolutely no reason whatsoever she can't get the same satisfaction as her clearos at 11w, using a properly built and setup rebuildable at 11w.

Just my 2 cents. I know its become almost dogma to say you need more and more power with rebuildables to get their true potential, but thats just never been my experience. The potential is there even at lower watts. And to me that potential over a clearo is wicking and coil saturation (and airflow options). Those benefits are just as viable at lower watts.,

 

[joelmora89]

My mvp2 fired at .9 ohms. I think mine had a defect

 

[Jode]

Maybe I'm in the minority, but I can vape my RDAs and RTAs at 10 watts and be perfectly satisfied. In fact, I never venture much over 15w. I just don't like high wattages, I like slow mouth-lung draws with a lot of flavor, yes even on my RDAs. In my experience, and I know a ton are going to disagree, you don't NEED high watts on a rebuildable to bring out the flavor. The most important thing is really nailing down all the fundamentals. Good coil build, proper airflow, and good wicking that is sufficiently saturating your coil. Given that she has been vaping on an MVP and clearos happily all this time, I don't imagine she needs higher watts. I think first before plunging and spending money on some box mod (or going into a mech mod with little experience), she needs to get better at the basic things. There's absolutely no reason whatsoever she can't get the same satisfaction as her clearos at 11w, using a properly built and setup rebuildable at 11w.

Just my 2 cents. I know its become almost dogma to say you need more and more power with rebuildables to get their true potential, but thats just never been my experience. The potential is there even at lower watts. And to me that potential over a clearo is wicking and coil saturation (and airflow options). Those benefits are just as viable at lower watts.,

You, ChrisJames and maybe a couple others have hit the nail on the head for now, but a lot of the posts giving me suggestions on using a mech mod instead are because I wasn't getting the difference or the wow effect of building coils over prebuilt ones. I am very new to vaping (3 months) but am the type of person that really dives into my latest interests. Since vaping is not just a phase for me I want to learn all I can about it so I can explore every nook and cranny of it but I also respect the safety factor and do not want to forge ahead and endanger myself just to try the latest craze. For now my MVP is doing just fine and I agree it is giving me time to learn in a safer way. I jumped the gun big time with my protest of this not being any different and everybody has helped me to see this by pointing out that being able to build a coil is just the start. Understanding the different builds (gauge wire used), air flow, and wicking (currently playing a lot with this) are all things that improve with practice. I just was not looking at it in this light. I figured because I was able to easily build a 1.8 ohm coil and stuff some organic cotton in it that was all to it. I was wrong and saw that quickly. So I am doing just as you suggest... using my mvp and continuing to discover the world of RDA's and RTA's. Truth be told I am a scaredy cat so this is fine for me and may always be how I vape, but I appreciate all the advice even on the more advance mech mods and sub ohming even if I never end up doing that. When I purchased my dripper I asked for the lowest cost and easier decks to build on because I really do not see myself as a dripper, but had to try. I want a RTA but want more practice on what I have before I purchase one. I have also been enjoying PBusardos videos on building my kangers. Will I use it in practice? I don't know. As much as I like to tinker it is just so much easier to plug my credit card number into a slot, wait for the mail and replace bad coild when they need it. Yes, I can be lazy too.

Bottom line is I appreciate all this wonderful advice and I will continue to experiment (safely) till I feel confident in my skills to move up a level so Thank You all.

 

[OthatGuy]

Since I read this last post, I thought I'd throw this or there, a bottom feeder will step your vaping experience up to the highest level. The easiest one to get, happens to be a fantastic device is a reo. Look around there tons of information on her. It's all the pros of a dripper that you can run aggressive builds on without having to drip. People who go to a bottom feeder usually never use anything else again, they are that good.

 

[Jode]

Since I read this last post, I thought I'd throw this or there, a bottom feeder will step your vaping experience up to the highest level. The easiest one to get, happens to be a fantastic device is a reo. Look around there tons of information on her. It's all the pros of a dripper that you can run aggressive builds on without having to drip. People who go to a bottom feeder usually never use anything else again, they are that good.

I have that very thought on my Christmas list. Hehehe, since I have a really close relationship with Santa I am quite sure one will be in my stocking. Not sure what I want yet though. This is why I love this board. So many thoughts from very helpful folks. Love it.

 

[WharfRat1976]

The lowest ohm coil your MVP2 will fire is a .8. It will not fire a .7 build.

If you want to ramp up your experience, get a Nautilus mini with BVC coils. It runs in the 1.7-1.8ohms range, tremendous flavor and vapor and depending on your juice, you can get 15-20mls of juice through it before your coil gets cooked.

Your MVP2 maxes out at 11 Watts or 5 Volts depending which side you are using. Plenty of power for a great vaping experience.

 

[Blackboar]

With an MVP, try to wrap your coils with 30 gauge around a really small bit, like a 20 gauge syringe or a straightened paper clip. Then close the airholes off to halfway. You should get a better vape with your zenith. You can also do mouth to lung hits that way, as well.

 

[jaxgator]

When I purchased my dripper I asked for the lowest cost and easier decks to build on because I really do not see myself as a dripper

Initially, I was in the same boat. I thought dripping seemed to be a PITA. Got the Plume Veil and was blown away!

Drippers are all I use at the house (tanks for out & about). RDAs are super easy to build and quite honestly the dripping aspect has become sort of a ritual to me now. Never thought I'd see the day but I have way more RDAs than RTAs now.

 

[stanthemanchan]

I think you could get decent results even on your MVP2 with the Zenith. You need to run it in single coil mode and make sure your airflow is set up so that only one of the air holes is open.You'll need to have the air flow shut down pretty tight. I would recommend switching to 30 gauge kanthal as the MVP will have trouble pushing enough voltage to heat up thicker wire.

I would also recommend picking up a Veritas RDA. There are many many clones of this one so it should be easy to find for a good price (around $15 http://101vape.com/rebuildable-atomizers-tanks/334-veritas-atomizer-clone-by-tobeco.html). It has a reduced air chamber and runs extremely well in single coil mode so it should give you plenty of flavour even at 11 watts. It can be a little bit trickier to build the coil, but I think you will get an even better vape than with the Zenith.

If you're considering upgrading the mod, you don't need to go all out and get a mech mod or a 100W device. Especially since you've only been vaping a few months. If you do want to get a different mod, the Eleaf iStick is a really decent upgrade to the MVP2. It goes up to 20W, has a great battery and is priced very affordably (usually under $40): IStick by Eleaf "Box Only" - Vapor Tek USA

 

[MattyTny]

I use a MVP2 and a zenithV2 clone. I use a 14 gauge syringe needle, sometimes I'll use a 16 gauge needle. I use 28 gauge with 10 wraps. It takes a second to heat up when I first start vaping, but the vapor production is very good compared to a clearo. I use kohgendo cotton in the build. I open the airflow to the length of the coil, sometimes a little smaller. I'm also using a wide bore drip tip. Make sure your coil is lined up with he air hole and close to it.

The zenith has a pretty big chamber, it's not the best for the MVP, but I'm happy with it. A reduced chamber RDA will probably preform better at the lower wattage. You also want to keep in mind the coil structure for that low power. Too much wire and it will not heat efficiently, but if your resistance is too low you won't get the full power. I prefer 28 gauge because it's easier to work with and since the zenith post holes are pretty large the thin wire has a tendency to get caught on the side on the post hole and not make a good connection. You can get it to put out some good vapor production if you install a good coil and wick.

I want to upgrade my device too, but I've kept telling myself I should wait until a nice box mod comes out. I'm not happy with the IPV or Segeli results so far. Innokin is releasing a new MVP and it's said to have DNA chip inside. Will wait for results on that before I choose to upgrade.