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I don't quite get this..

Discussion in 'E-Cigarettes in Public' started by RWA1997, Aug 22, 2017.

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  1. RWA1997

    RWA1997 Full Member

    Aug 14, 2017
    I see a lot of posts about people vaping at places where it's not allowed and sharing tactics, techniques etc. as to not get caught, like stealth vaping.

    On the other hand, everyone wants vaping to get a good image and to be more accepted. This will not happen if we break the rules by vaping where it's not allowed, even if it's stealth vaping because there is always a chance of getting caught, after which we will all get branded as ''those'' vapers. I don't see why it is so difficult to go outside at a restaurant, or wait untill you are done checking out at the store? I'm not here to tell people what to do, but it does seem kind of contradictory to me. If it is not allowed to vape somewhere, why do it? Even if the vapor is safe and not as dangerous as second-hand smoke, a lot of people don't know this and rules should be respected. It's also not dangerous to drink a soda on the bus but it's still not allowed (here at least.) and as such it's courtesy to respect that and wait untill you are out of the bus to drink your soda. Just an example of course, but there are many more.

    I'd like to hear the reason for this. Doesn't it seem contradictory to you to want a good public image of vaping but are proceeding to break no-vaping rules?

    Again, not coming off on anyone or condescending. I just want to share my opinion and hear what others have to say about it.
     
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  2. ChelsB

    ChelsB Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Dec 12, 2016
    California
    In my opinion, some cloud chasers can be obnoxious and have contributed to a negative public opinion on vaping. And I do agree that we should be responsible vapers and do as much as we can to help public perception (as well as get the word out on the MANY benefits of vaping over smoking).
    Playing the devils advocate here (and yes, I'm guilty of stealth vaping on occasion), I suspect that those that do vape where they're not supposed to, do so because they don't feel it will bother other people. I mean, it's not the same as smoking a cig where you're not supposed to, you simply won't give off that much odor.
    For me, if I stealth vape, I make sure it's virtually impossible for people to notice and I would never even try in certain places (such as an airplane bathroom).
     
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  3. rob33

    rob33 Super Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Dec 20, 2009
    Concord, NC
    I fly six days a month, if is wasn't for stealth vaping I would have made headlines several times(not for vaping, lol). You can't call it stealth if you are detected. As far as the cloud chasers using 0mg juice well that's just stupid and doesn't deserve an audience.
     
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  4. MrStik

    MrStik Super Member ECF Veteran

    Mar 6, 2013
    SoCal
    Those cloud chasers are what pushes the tech on these new devices. Like them or not, when they push the limits on devices and atty's, it pushes companies to make better equipment.
     
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  5. rob33

    rob33 Super Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Dec 20, 2009
    Concord, NC
    What just cracks me up, to see a youtube with them in a boxing ring sparing their vape. Most stupid thing I ever seen. Totally not what devices were made for, and when something happens, everyone is the blame. 99% of the the users of ecigarettes are looking for an alternative to get off of lighting up. They are not looking to play a game with their lungs and to max out their equipment. If this offends it's just my 2¢ worth of opinion.
     
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  6. MrStik

    MrStik Super Member ECF Veteran

    Mar 6, 2013
    SoCal
    Of course it is not offensive.. You are entitled.
     
  7. SteveS45

    SteveS45 Moved On ECF Veteran

    Jan 27, 2016
    Long Island, New York
    Some of the places that people Stealth Vape can result in some very stiff penalties but I kind of doubt that they will share the story of getting fined or worse.
     
  8. stols001

    stols001 Mistress of the Dark Nicotinic Arts Verified Member

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    May 30, 2017
    Tucson, AZ
    Well... I kind of feel similarly. I don't stealth vape often, and if I do it's kind of a "known stealth" situation, like at work, where honestly, my coworkers don't care, even HR probably doesn't care (unless I get caught, as it were) but "rules of engagement" are different depending on local laws, various practices, and whatnot. If I were working on a "nicotine free campus" and am caught stealth vaping the consequences are quite different than if I'm vaping somewhere where a "rule" is in place, but no-one really cares, and it's more to PREVENT big clouds. HR has seen my vape pen on my desk before, but if people were to complain about fake tobacco smells just WAFTING from my office, that would be a different situation than if I were to be fired for simply bringing such an object even into the parking lot, let alone my office.... So, some stealth vaping is less "stealth" and more "just don't bother the people around you and no one will care" dealio....

    I don't vape in restaurants, in movie theaters, etc., unless the store has a clear policy in place that vaping is OK. Sometimes I will ask, often I will simply go outside for a moment.

    To me, single use bathrooms are fair game (except on airplane bathrooms, the only time I'd vape on an airplane is when it is clearly going down.... I'd probably pick up my cellphone then, too. Say goodbye to a few people, etc.) but otherwise, I pack nicotine lozenges and I'm happy to do so. I really don't like the idea of being escorted "off" the plane by an air marshal, not at all. But vaping in a single use bathroom in public out and about can only *improve* the odor, not ruin it. I mean, look at it as a cheap air freshener type of thing. If someone is video-surveilling my BATHROOM use without relevant signage, I think I have more of a case against *them* than they do *me.* Vaping is not considered a tobacco product in AZ, so I can vape in all the parks and technically all the places I want, unless private business owners choose to not have me vape there, which I'm fine with for the most part, as it IS their property. I'm okay with stepping outside....

    I'd say the majority of the time I do not stealth vape, unless it's "stealth" meaning people are aware of it, and they don't really care, even if there is some "rule" about it. I do try to be considerate, close my door until all vape is gone, etc., and it works out fine. Except for single use bathrooms which, TBH, I don't really like to consider "space" let alone "property" let alone "this is the place where all the strangers come to....[insert event], I am QUITE sure that vaping in a single use bathroom would do nothing to it other than improve it, especially if you are using PG, which has antimicrobial properties.

    But for the most part, I don't have strong feelings about stealth vaping except in situations where vapers are in fact going to ruin it for the rest of us, and I don't feel that single use bathrooms fall under that category. I guess. I kind of thought the whole "I can vape wherever I want and here's why" card that was handed out with the early vape equipment was a good idea, honestly, as I felt it naiive at best and self-serving at worst, you don't introduce someone to vaping by saying, "Look what I can do that a smoker can't, AND it's better for ME and for YOU, nananananah...." and get away with it forever.... I always felt that card was a recipie for vaping to become just as regulated and taxed as smoking, and could have in some ways done with a .................. forever, but that wasn't going to happen, and it is true that more vapers drives more innovation and more lives saved, overall, but the good old days of, "Oh, I can actually believe you that the slight cinnamon smell seeping from your desk is fine" are gone, and to be fair, some cloud chucking I myself find obnoxious.

    Thanks for the question, I actually found it very interesting!

    Anna

    I think morally, yes, absolutely one shouldn
     
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  9. Letitia

    Letitia Nano Junkie

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    Apr 2, 2017
    West Frankfort, IL
    I am not a cloud chaser, but vaping has developed into a bit of a hobby for me. Why can't cloud chasing 0nic be a hobby? As long as they are indulging in appropriate areas who cares? Why is that side of vaping stupid and mine is not? Just curious.
     
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  10. MrStik

    MrStik Super Member ECF Veteran

    Mar 6, 2013
    SoCal
    Sounds like a bitter guy. Probably lost a cloud chasing competition and vowing vengeance against that group.
     
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  11. Letitia

    Letitia Nano Junkie

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    Apr 2, 2017
    West Frankfort, IL
    Look I get mildly annoyed at the young and rude cc's, but I remind myself the stupid things I did when I was young. Vaping clouds is less offensive than some my stunts.
     
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  12. QcVaper

    QcVaper Ultra Member

    Jun 17, 2017
    Canada/Quebec
    imo it mostly makes them create equipment that goes to higher wattage where as most people that come off cigarettes (like it was meant to be used) barely do 150 watts i bet.... I mean i don't really care how and what you vape, as long as it's in designated areas but vaping at 200 watts ? Completely overkill and that's my 2cents
    Cloud chasing can be fun i supose for some but it's part of what makes us look bad to others. Also Cloud chasers have a much bigger tendancy to use rdas,squonkers and such because that's how you maximise your cloud production, not with factory coils or attys.
     
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  13. Letitia

    Letitia Nano Junkie

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    Apr 2, 2017
    West Frankfort, IL
    Rude vaper's in general taint our reputation.
     
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  14. Steamix

    Steamix Ultra Member ECF Veteran

    Sep 21, 2013
    Vapistan
    Am I stealth vaping ?
    Would I still - assuming I do - be a stealth vaper if I told you ?
    Stand/sit beside me and try to find out :D
    If you do, I'm not a stealth vaper (anymore).
    If you don't, you'd never know if I'd just be standing or sitting there as non- or -vaper :D

    Their places, their rules.
    And then there's tolerance and enforcement.

    There are websites devoted to gathering all the outlandish, strange, odd, and often downright idiotic rules, regulations and codes that - if all enforced to their fullest - would make daily life very taxing.

    Live and let live, vape and let vape, restraint and common sense, dosed with a sprinkling of indulgence and we all get along a little better :)
     
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  17. sofarsogood

    sofarsogood Vaping Master ECF Veteran

    Oct 12, 2014
    There are people who vape to be noticed. The issue is manners not vaping. I've worked out a vape that's discrete. I can take a puff just about anywhere. Use a small device, no visible vapor and make a reasonable effort to avoid notice. Bystanders are unlikely to react even when they notice me going through the motions. If the cloud chasers had to live with those limitations may be they wouldn't want to vape?
     
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  18. MrStik

    MrStik Super Member ECF Veteran

    Mar 6, 2013
    SoCal
    There was a time when vaping at 20-30W was considered excessive and even 40-50W. Now those are pretty normal levels for lung hit tanks. I do admit that (for me) anything over 100W is pretty high and excessive.
     
  19. Marc411

    Marc411 Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Mar 17, 2014
    Windy City
    Wow, I don't think I have a mod that has ever been over 35W. Personally I think that the competitions are pretty cool, I like watching what some people can do with there rigs.

    That being said placing blame on Cloud Chasers might be the wrong way to go after the FDA and media put out the wrong message for so long. A group divided is a group overcome.

    It's the folks that are feeling entitled and not using restraint vaping where it is not allowed that will hurt us.
     
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  20. Letitia

    Letitia Nano Junkie

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    West Frankfort, IL
    Exactly!
     
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  21. Opinionated

    Opinionated Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Aug 19, 2015
    Personally, I don't stealth vape, I find zero need to. I can easily make it through a shopping trip and more without vaping.

    That said, those who do don't bother me. I absolutely do not see them as doing anything to harm vaping's image either. Do drivers who go 5 miles an hour over the speed limit harm the automobile industry? Back in the day that was seen as offensive to those who didn't have an automobile too, yet it didn't stop the industry from going forward.

    Those who are anti vaping will be anti vaping no matter if no one ever broke a law/rule.. it is through education and advocacy that we create a situation where vaping gains a wider acceptance among the general public...

    So I'm not bothered by those who take a puff in Wal-Mart any more than those who drive 5 miles an hour over the speed limit. It reflects upon the individual, not the industry.

    And yes, I have given it much thought, and had several discussions on the topic, and this is where I stand today.
     
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  22. somdcomputerguy

    somdcomputerguy vaper dedicato Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Dec 3, 2014
    Rupert, West Virginia
    I must wow too. I vape in the 7 - 7.5 watt range (3.6 - 3.8 volt range), but I do + up a 60W reg mod into the 20 watt range (6 volts or so) to dry burn a coil that I just built. In fact, that same mod (with the battery I use in it) won't go above 35 or so watts (about 8 volts) with the 1.8 or so ohm coils I build.
     
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