I found 99% pure Nicotine is my math right?

[kinabaloo]

The key point is: having a 3.6% juice that is either from a simple tobacco extraction process, and so contains lots of other stuff too that will gunk u the atomiser and burn on the heater coil, OR having a 3.6% juice that was made from purified (99%) nicotine.

 

[kinabaloo]

Thanks for throwing some intelligence toward this insane proposition. Please let the bottom line sink in: You cannot work at home with anything approaching strong nicotine. Forget it. Even if you have a death wish, the poster who says nicotine poisoning is a painful way to die is correct. Google it. Read it. Believe it. Then forget you ever had such an idea.

This is true but see my post above.

 

[TropicalBob]

I agree, and would love to have a clean source of nicotine in a known, safe strength. But right now I'm making do with the new 48mg liquid that can be bought. I dilute that and add mullein to it.

 

[PuffinStuff]

That sounds like a good plan and better than taking a chance with something so toxic. Sounds really scary to me. Can you imagine the hayday the Feds and the press would have if someone got really sick or god forbid, would die from nic poisioning?

 

[niczgreat]

99% nicotine would equal 990mg/ml and 1-3 drops will kill you.............central trade sells a literof 36mg around $120 which isn't that bad. If it is 23ml of 990mg nic it would take u 23 years of heavy vaping (3ml a day) to use that up.

I'm not used to the metric system. That is why I posted this. If this quote above is correct and I expect it is, than there is no way I would ever touch this stuff.

Thank you.

 

[firhill]

These are the types of threads the FDA drools over.

 

[TropicalBob]

This thread also gives Sen. Frank Lautenberg fodder for yet another letter demanding this entire practice be declared illegal by the FDA. Threads like this really should not be posted at all. We can't censor, but this is just inviting trouble.

 

[Vapor Pete]

This thread also gives Sen. Frank Lautenberg fodder for yet another letter demanding this entire practice be declared illegal by the FDA. Threads like this really should not be posted at all. We can't censor, but this is just inviting trouble.

Not directed at you TBob... but does anyone really think senators are cruising through e-cig forums looking for ammunition to add to their "ban e-cig" campaigns? Just wondering.

My best,
-VP

 

[MVP]

Reminds me of bathtub gin killing people during alcohol prohibition or back alley abortions killing women when legal ones were banned. If eliquid is pulled from the market and can't be aquired I'm afraid we will see more of this with tragic results.

 

[OutWest]

Reminds me of bathtub gin killing people during alcohol prohibition or back alley abortions killing women when legal ones were banned. If eliquid is pulled from the market and can't be aquired I'm afraid we will see more of this with tragic results.

agreed. And when you consider that extraction of nicotine from tobacco uses some of the same chemicals as a .... lab, essentially what you can end up with is clandestine nicotine labs that are a bigger problem than .... labs because they combine the hazards of the .... lab with the extremely hazardous risk of pure nicotine

 

[TropicalBob]

Vapor Pete: Senators don't know we exist -- and don't care. But young aides looking to advance in the office pool do surf the Internet for anything that might interest a politician, or could be used as political fodder. The anti groups likely have their own little Web surfers, too. Never assume what you write will not be seen, and used, by your enemies.

 

[DarkriftX]

I would like to see a company that has the means to order and handle this (maybe someone here?) who can purchase large quantities of almost pure nic and cut it for us to legal/safe amounts. The reasoning would be mostly for users here wanting a cheaper bulk.

 

[niczgreat]

This is the final math. Please check it if I'm right.

Normally a Gram = Ml

There are 1000 micro grams in a gm

That means that there are 1000mg of nicotine in a ml of what you are purchasing.
There are roughly 33 drops in a ML
that means that every drop has 33mg of nicotine.

Now the ejuice I bought that was 36mg had 3.6% Nicotine so 1000ml of juice would
have 36mg a big drop not a small drop!!.

By my calculations to make 1000ml (1 liter) of 36mg juice you'd add one drop
and if by accident you swallowed a drop that would be equal to ingesting
1000ml or 1 liter of the highest retail solution readily available on the market.

You can ignore the dire warnings but do the math!!!

That is way too strong to be casually playing around with.
How much goes airborne. If you spill it and it gets on your skin
would a drops worth be absorbed. By my calculation fractions of a drop would
be lethal

Even if my math is wrong by a decimal point it's still beyond dangerous.
Please everyone check my math.

 

[ramblingrose]

I found Nicotine USP 99% pure around $60.00 for 25ml... I'm still not sure if I'm going to go through with it because I'm uncomfortable about dealing with a product where 1 cc is lethal.

At the risk of being a killjoy, here's a multi-quote from an old thread about this:

Originally Posted by radiokaos
PLEASE DON"T BE STUPID.

Guys please do us all a favor and stay away from that stuff. Not only will it kill you. But before hand you could have the police knocking on your door thinking you might be a terrorist. Pure and high levels like that are left for the professional. Not some back yard setup. There are also local laws that you could be breaking when messing with this stuff. People have mentioned this before, so let me get my popcorn since this should be a fun response.

PLEASE DON'T BE STUPID. Yes, that's the perfect response.

Safety issued have been well covered; I'll just add one more point: If you think its a problem getting supplies in the country now, imagine what will happen after the inevitable accident. It will only take one misadventure for the media, the antis and government to be all over e-cigs as the worst invention of the century.

Personally, I cringe every time I see people posting about the possibility. Beyond the safety issues, don't forget that we're trying to gain acceptance, not notoriety. An anti can easily come into the forum, read these posts and (rightfully) use them as strong fuel to the arguments against e-cigs. Proponents of our hobby might rethink their view, as well.

Noobs, PLEASE get the thought of saving by making your own nicLiquid out of your heads.

Bravo, RamlingRose, and never have times been as critical for e-smoking as they are RIGHT NOW. Imagine the impact of a front page story in the Washington Post Monday morning that some idiot managed to get pure nicotine -- a terrorists wet dream -- and then killed himself and his family trying to make e-liquid for his e-cig.

Think we'd all have a bright vaping future after that?

Forget any idea of handling, or even obtaining, pure nicotine. Just the request from a private person can bring the Department of Homeland Security down on you.

Please think about it.

 

[HighTech]

I found Nicotine USP 99% pure around $60.00 for 25ml.
I'm trying to figure out how to use it.

My math says that if I add 1 ml for every 30ml bottle than I'd be at 3% or 30mg per ml.

Is this math right?. By the way I'm not going to mention where I found this chemical because some idiot would probably try huffing it pure, but if you search the forums very hard you can find the place.

It's a legitimate American Company not catering to the smoke industry.

I'm still not sure if I'm going to go through with it because I'm uncomfortable about dealing with a product where 1 cc is lethal.

Also this is Nicotine USP which seems to be different from the nicotine that the manufacturers of ejuice are putting in there products. Would it smoke differently.?

Yes, and here's the kicker...

Mg is a measurement of weight and mL is a measurement of volume. Nicotine in it's pure form is a liquid. So when you see 36mg juice, or any other mg denomination for that matter, one has to wonder 36 mg of what kind of nicotine? Is the nicotine part pure or is it a diluted solution? If not pure, then we must also ask if 36mg of pure nicotine in a juice would be safe. Also we must take into consideration, are we to believe China manufacturers actually put 36 mg in their juice? Is that really just nicotine in the nicotine portion or are there other processing chemicals included that we are inhaling? China does not have a favorable reputation for including components that it advertises on the labels...

I think it's time for some HPLC testing...

 

[Minimike]

I believe the measurement is along the lines of - mg in a gram. IE 36mg juice = one gram of juice contains 36 milligrams of nicotine or a 3.6% solution.

The carrier (PG or VG) would have to weigh 1 gram/ml for the posers in here to be right. Do PG and/or VG weigh 1 gram/ml, or more?

 

[OutWest]

I believe the measurement is along the lines of - mg in a gram. IE 36mg juice = one gram of juice contains 36 milligrams of nicotine or a 3.6% solution.

The carrier (PG or VG) would have to weigh 1 gram/ml for the posers in here to be right. Do PG and/or VG weigh 1 gram/ml, or more?

One gram of PG is 0.96527 ml Dunno what VG works out to.

 

[Chasm]

99 mg/mL and you might be ok.

I have a feeling what you've found might be way more concentrated...

Again, please be careful!

FWIW pure nicotine has a density of 1.01 gm/ml (Google it) or 1010 mg/ml