Is mixing pure nicotine to make a nic base a good idea? All sugestions and advice welcome.....

[RandaPandaBear]

my fear in a single man (woman) show in handling such high strength nicotine is, we are still fighting a battle. if one drop is as deadly as we think, do you have kids? Pets? that would be all the fire the govt might need to just blow our nic handling all out of proportion to where we are regulated amounts that are ridiculous. I feel we should always look at the vaping community as a whole before making decisions that could affect so many.

JMHO

 

[Spazmelda]

I've seen similar websites selling pure, and I'm fairly convinced that it's the reals stuff. I toyed with the idea of trying it, but decided against it.

I've got a Ph.D. in Cellular and Molecular Biology and loads of lab experience working with hazardous materials (radioactive materials as well as other super toxic stuff) and I just wouldn't feel comfortable handling this stuff in my home. If I had access to a lab with fume hood and lab grade mixers maybe, but this is not 'mix up in the bathroom' sort of stuff. The amount of money saved is not worth the risks of 1) knowing that what you have is the real thing and pure 2) getting some on yourself or spilling endangering yourself and others or 3) making a small (or large) mistake in calculations or mixing that would throw off your entire mixture to possibly dangerous levels.

 

[butterbean03]

Most if not all nicotine uses a carrier like PG or VG. They are just telling you the quality and it is clear or almost clear. When the light and air hits it, it starts turning yellow.

 

[VapPornRules]

If you were to do this (and I would not), the first thing I would do when the box comes in is pour it into a vat of VG/PG and dilute it immediately.

 

[Mikenet]

Most if not all nicotine uses a carrier like PG or VG. They are just telling you the quality and it is clear or almost clear. When the light and air hits it, it starts turning yellow.

Not the nicotine I looked at unless they are doing a terrible job of explaining themselves. Here is how the liquid was described on their site word for word....

Characteristics:
Capacity: 25 ml bottle
Purity: 99%, that means there are at least 99mg of pure nicotine in a 100mg of the liquid.
Grade: Pharmaceutical

and this was some of my conversation with the representative I talked to........

You Say:

I had a question about your pure nicotine

E-Cig1 Says:

sure

You Say:

is it mixed with any PG ir VG, or is it just straigt nicotine

E-Cig1 Says:

only nicotine

You Say:

Ive actually been looking for a mixed nic base at about 100mg per ml of nicotine in a pg base.....

how many mg per ml would this straight nicotine be? I need to figure this out if im to mix a base properly.

E-Cig1 Says:

pure nicotine has 990 mg / ml

You Say:

Wow, thats a good bit, sounds dangerous

Im going to be getting some straight PG soon, what would be a good procedure for making a base liquid that is 100mg per ml?

The conversation went on from their but we got cut off before I could hear anything definitive on how to safely mix, that's on of the reasons I came here and made a forum for it

 

[Mikenet]

If you were to do this (and I would not), the first thing I would do when the box comes in is pour it into a vat of VG/PG and dilute it immediately.

You read my mind No sense having pure nicotine sitting around, or having to deal with it every time I mix. If I did this Id buy something like 250 ml of PG, and dilute the nicotine into that ASAP. Then I wouldn't have to mess with pure nicotine again for months.

 

[Nunnster]

Here is another thread I just found discussing this subject. http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/nicotine/23359-i-found-99-pure-nicotine-my-math-right-2.html

 

[Mikenet]

I found out the shipping classifications for this nicotine if it's of any use to those with experience dealing with hazardous materials, since their was some debate about it...

DOT classification: class 6.1 poisonous material
Packing group: II
Hazard Label: Toxic Substances

Im actually surprised at the quantities at which they were selling it too. you can buy a 10 Liter bottle apparently and they're shipping it.

 

[VapPornRules]

Funny, I googled "nicotine poisoning" and came across this in a New York Times entry

Nicotine poisoning results from too much nicotine. Acute nicotine poisoning usually occurs in young children who accidentally chew on nicotine gum or patches.

I love how they jump on ecig flavors for "appealing to children". What about gum?!?

 

[Mikenet]

Here is another thread I just found discussing this subject. http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/nicotine/23359-i-found-99-pure-nicotine-my-math-right-2.html

Considering what Im reading in that forum, and this one, im starting to believe the site I went to is either being dishonest or terribly mislabeling their nicotine liquids. If not, holy ..... ! I mean 10 liters of pure nicotine, that's crazy...

Characteristics:
Capacity: 10 Liters plastic drum
Purity: 99%, that means there are at least 99mg of pure nicotine in a 100mg of the liquid.
Grade: Pharmaceutical

other sizes were available all the way down to 6ml bottles, but 10 liters? over 2000 dollars for that but I wouldn't sell that much to anyone but a distributor.

 

[oldsoldier]

Handling Pure nicotine is extremely dangerous and should not be attempted without proper equipment and training.

Discussion of this topic is prohibited by common sense and ECF rules and moderator polices.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/announcements-rules/144783-warning-e-liquid-diy-safety.html

Pure nicotine
Pure nicotine, of 98 or 99% purity, should not be purchased or used under any circumstances, except by licensed laboratories with a fume cabinet and hazmat facilities. It is a highly dangerous poison in this form, and a small spillage on the skin is likely to be lethal.

Nicotine is used as an insecticide, and when used to fumigate a greenhouse for example it will kill anything living - including any humans unfortunate enough to be inside. 99% nicotine has a strength of 990mg, or 990mg/ml, and is almost ten times stronger than 100mg, normally the strongest eliquid base sold for mixing, which itself is dangerous enough.

It is as dangerous as pure potassium cyanide.

Note that pure nicotine is far more dangerous than high-strength e-liquid because it will be rapidly absorbed into the bloodstream if there is a spill on the skin. This is not normally the case with e-liquid because the nicotine seems to be bound or 'locked' by PG and/or VG, and there appears to be a time window in which the liquid may be rinsed off. This will not be the case with pure nicotine. Note also that simply opening a bottle of it can result in a room filling with toxic fumes - it should only be handled in a vapor cabinet.


No mention on ECF
Small amounts of nicotine may be used in the manufacture of e-liquid by those qualified to do so. No one else should either buy the raw materials or attempt to use them.

ECF will auto-censor out any names of or weblinks to dealers anywhere, of any type, that supply pure nicotine. No mention may be made by members or suppliers of such vendors, and attempts to evade the auto-censor will result in a ban on the member or supplier.

DO NOT MENTION ANY SUPPLIER OF PURE NICOTINE ON ECF.

This restriction does not apply in the Manufacturers and Wholesalers private forum, or in the Suppliers private forums.

The moderators of this forum have also been instructed to close these topics for safety reasons. There is absolutely no reason to discuss pure nicotine in the open forum.

 

[oldsoldier]

As per discussion with Rolygate (ECF's Website Manager):

"Discussions of pure nicotine use are not allowed as experience shows that links or close references will be given, and inexperienced members who have no idea they will be dealing with the equivalent of cyanide will attempt to obtain it. If harm occurred, ECF would in effect be responsible for an incident or death that would make headlines."