I was just wondering why this would be the case. I've tried them both with an adapter and KR808 and without an adapter with Boge 510's. The superior vapor production of the Rivas (from a new 900mah kit that's terrific. Thanks for changing suppliers, LF!) and greater taste with several juices would be obvious to anyone. Has anyone metered the voltage on these batts, and if so, what did you find that might explain this? Just curious...