I got an email from the Green Party who gets my vote this election.
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Hi folks.
As we are proceeding with obtaining legal counsel, for the purpose of initiating a class-action suit against Health Canada...a suit we will win based on present, current law...the issue of political support is, in my opinion, of far less relevance now. It doesn't matter what your MP says (or rather, doesn't say); the law already supports us, and that's all that is going to count in court.
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That said...the Liberals & the NDP do not have any public position on electronic cigarettes, and they flat-out refuse to say why. They have consistently avoided offering any public answer, when asked for their position.
The Green Party of Canada though (while still a ways from actively, publicly supporting vapers)...has privately shown strong indications that they will soon do so. They will also soon be forming a specific policy re: e-cigs, e-juice & vaping. Both their Health Critic and the local candidate here are very, very supportive of us (far more so than the initial posts in this thread would seem to indicate). So the policy they will form is expected to be a very pro-vaping one.
The thing is...ordinarily, they only develop policy once every two years. Their most recent policy development meeting was in August 2010. During that last meeting, they recognized that this "once every two years" was no longer cutting the mustard. So they began a transition towards a "continuous policy development process" & as soon as the details re: that are sorted, a Green policy re: e-cigs will be forthcoming. That's the only thing they're waiting on.
I understand how people are frustrated with politics in general. And I think all of us are disturbed by the serious potential ramifications of Bill C-36 (the damn thing definitely needs to be amended). But based on everything to date, there's only one party that can reasonably be expected to stand up for your right to vape: and it's the Greens. I wish they were a little more vocal about that right now, lol (ok, a lot more vocal) - but they've been decent enough about it so far behind the scenes that they deserve some time to get that public policy in place.
Certainly they are the only party who has agreed to publicly acknowledge the issue at all. And the only party with plans to develop a related policy. That says a lot.
One more thing: when the local Green candidate here was informed about HC suddenly throwing down the gauntlet on our suppliers, she said it was "appalling news" & encouraged us to fight back.
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Now granted, we have an egregious lack of proportional representation in this country. Consider: in 2008, the Greens received almost 7% of the votes. Result: Zero seats. The Bloc got almost 10% of the votes. Result: 49 seats. Unfair.
But each vote gives $2 of federal funding to the party that receives it. So a vote isn't totally worthless, even now. I choose for my vote's $2 to go to a party that has the courtesy to answer a basic question...and that doesn't take us (or funding) for granted. This election, I choose to vote Green.
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Anyway, keep on vaping folks!!
As we are proceeding with obtaining legal counsel, for the purpose of initiating a class-action suit against Health Canada...a suit we will win based on present, current law...the issue of political support is, in my opinion, of far less relevance now. It doesn't matter what your MP says (or rather, doesn't say); the law already supports us, and that's all that is going to count in court.
---
That said...the Liberals & the NDP do not have any public position on electronic cigarettes, and they flat-out refuse to say why. They have consistently avoided offering any public answer, when asked for their position.
The Green Party of Canada though (while still a ways from actively, publicly supporting vapers)...has privately shown strong indications that they will soon do so. They will also soon be forming a specific policy re: e-cigs, e-juice & vaping. Both their Health Critic and the local candidate here are very, very supportive of us (far more so than the initial posts in this thread would seem to indicate). So the policy they will form is expected to be a very pro-vaping one.
The thing is...ordinarily, they only develop policy once every two years. Their most recent policy development meeting was in August 2010. During that last meeting, they recognized that this "once every two years" was no longer cutting the mustard. So they began a transition towards a "continuous policy development process" & as soon as the details re: that are sorted, a Green policy re: e-cigs will be forthcoming. That's the only thing they're waiting on.
I understand how people are frustrated with politics in general. And I think all of us are disturbed by the serious potential ramifications of Bill C-36 (the damn thing definitely needs to be amended). But based on everything to date, there's only one party that can reasonably be expected to stand up for your right to vape: and it's the Greens. I wish they were a little more vocal about that right now, lol (ok, a lot more vocal) - but they've been decent enough about it so far behind the scenes that they deserve some time to get that public policy in place.
Certainly they are the only party who has agreed to publicly acknowledge the issue at all. And the only party with plans to develop a related policy. That says a lot.
One more thing: when the local Green candidate here was informed about HC suddenly throwing down the gauntlet on our suppliers, she said it was "appalling news" & encouraged us to fight back.
---
Now granted, we have an egregious lack of proportional representation in this country. Consider: in 2008, the Greens received almost 7% of the votes. Result: Zero seats. The Bloc got almost 10% of the votes. Result: 49 seats. Unfair.
But each vote gives $2 of federal funding to the party that receives it. So a vote isn't totally worthless, even now. I choose for my vote's $2 to go to a party that has the courtesy to answer a basic question...and that doesn't take us (or funding) for granted. This election, I choose to vote Green.
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Anyway, keep on vaping folks!!
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I've been voting green for a few elections myself and not afraid to admit it publicly. And now I have another reason to continue doing so
GO GET THEM ORACLE
if I can help in any way, just ask
GO GET THEM ORACLE
if I can help in any way, just ask
Unfortunately I don't have anyone running for the Green party to vote for, but if I did, after hearing what rachel said, they would have my vote. I do however, have a candidate from the Pirate Party....waiting to hear their stance on e-cigs then they will probably get my vote, lol.
this is the list that I get: Voter Information Service - Who are the candidates in my electoral district?
lelly, we went to this part of the Green's website:
Find Your Riding | Green Party of Canada
And we entered your postal code. They say that Janine Gibson is indeed the Green candidate in your riding, the district of Provencher. The Greens are running candidates in every riding across Canada, all 308 of them. Elections Canada obviously has an error in their web-listings. But we're certain Ms. Gibson's name will be on your ballot when you go to vote.
Find Your Riding | Green Party of Canada
And we entered your postal code. They say that Janine Gibson is indeed the Green candidate in your riding, the district of Provencher. The Greens are running candidates in every riding across Canada, all 308 of them. Elections Canada obviously has an error in their web-listings. But we're certain Ms. Gibson's name will be on your ballot when you go to vote.
Thanks for the info!! I will definately look her up. Still curious to see what the pirates have to say before I decide though, lol.
I was a bit confused too after reading that they could enter private property with no warrant, so I skimmed through the whole bill and found this:
I guess "private property" doesn't include your house? Here's a link to the bill if you have about an hour to kill, lol. C-36
This is a good summary of the major points of it, note that a previous verion (C-6) DID include natural health food products, but because of outrage in the industry, the new version that was accepted (C-36) excluded them, but perhaps only temporarily:
Bill C36 - Health Canada's New Powers Put Canadians at Risk
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good catch lelly. Nice to know they have to have a search warrant. Its very confusing isnt it
While we sincerely feel for those in the natural health industry, and sincerely pray that a much better balance between regulatory authority & civil liberties will be introduced in future (to fix the inherent imbalance between those things in C-36's present form)...
...I must repeat, e-cigs & e-juice with nic are not marketed as "health products" and do not make any therapeutic claims. These are two fundamental prerequisites for classifying anything as a "health product" - so e-cigs & e-juice are not health products. Health Canada (bizarrely) says they are. And when they do that, they're lying.
When specifically asked in court "why" it is that they say that...they're going to look incredibly foolish, and have no credible answer whatsoever. It will be a prime example of how the agency, left unchecked, cannot be trusted to exercise its authority honestly, or legally. Unchecked power inevitably leads to politicization & corruption...it leads to the abuse of those least able to defend themselves. And it always comes in on the wings of alleged good intentions.
We're all for appropriate regulatory powers - but only when there are checks & balances & reins in place to keep the agencies honest. But yeah...vapers, relax. Our stuff does not fall under "health products" - and it does not pose any "reasonable expectation of danger to human health or safety."
Remember, the exact same nicotine, at comparable levels...is all over the place - in deadly tobacco & ineffective NRT products. Attack the nicotine, and you attack big pharma & big tobacco. Furthermore, the nicotine itself is immune to any such attack, since countless studies have shown that at the levels found in tobacco, NRT, or e-juice...the nicotine itself poses no more of a risk than drinking caffeinated coffe would. And we already have laws re: nicotine, which describe the forms under which nicotine is exempted from Schedule F of the Canadian Food & Drug regulations. The e-juice you vape is already exempted, and we can prove it. Again, Health Canada is lying when they say it isn't exempted.
And again, when specifically asked "why" in court...they're going to look like complete idiots. It's a very nice thing to know the law is on our side.
...I must repeat, e-cigs & e-juice with nic are not marketed as "health products" and do not make any therapeutic claims. These are two fundamental prerequisites for classifying anything as a "health product" - so e-cigs & e-juice are not health products. Health Canada (bizarrely) says they are. And when they do that, they're lying.
When specifically asked in court "why" it is that they say that...they're going to look incredibly foolish, and have no credible answer whatsoever. It will be a prime example of how the agency, left unchecked, cannot be trusted to exercise its authority honestly, or legally. Unchecked power inevitably leads to politicization & corruption...it leads to the abuse of those least able to defend themselves. And it always comes in on the wings of alleged good intentions.
We're all for appropriate regulatory powers - but only when there are checks & balances & reins in place to keep the agencies honest. But yeah...vapers, relax. Our stuff does not fall under "health products" - and it does not pose any "reasonable expectation of danger to human health or safety."
Remember, the exact same nicotine, at comparable levels...is all over the place - in deadly tobacco & ineffective NRT products. Attack the nicotine, and you attack big pharma & big tobacco. Furthermore, the nicotine itself is immune to any such attack, since countless studies have shown that at the levels found in tobacco, NRT, or e-juice...the nicotine itself poses no more of a risk than drinking caffeinated coffe would. And we already have laws re: nicotine, which describe the forms under which nicotine is exempted from Schedule F of the Canadian Food & Drug regulations. The e-juice you vape is already exempted, and we can prove it. Again, Health Canada is lying when they say it isn't exempted.
And again, when specifically asked "why" in court...they're going to look like complete idiots. It's a very nice thing to know the law is on our side.
I didn't mean that PV's are or should be classified as a health product, but just noticing that the large health and natural industry that I thought was fighting this bill, has in fact been exempt from it 
No worries lelly - we weren't attacking you or your post.
Just wanted to clarify where we stand on the issue as vapers, re: PV's & e-juice with nic. The confusion on that can be traced directly back to Health Canada's factually, plainly lying about these things. We aren't going to let it stand, and once the matter is in court...it won't be able to stand.
Do they really expect us to sift through 100 pages of big words in tiny font and make sense of it all? We rely on the media too much to make sense of all the rubbish the politicians throw at us, and in this case, the media has let us down.
Scaremongering. its ridiculous. I wonder if its being enforced because of e-cigs or something else.
It seems more of just a free pass for them to do whatever they want whenever they want with no reason or consequence.
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