I Have a JUUL want to get a portable charger/case, do I?

[Punk In Drublic]

They added processors because they can’t mke the chips go faster.

You mean cores not processors? There is a reason behind this. It is much more efficient for a CPU to handle multiple instructions at a slower speed than it is to handle a single instruction at a faster speed. Increasing clock speed increases power consumption and decreases efficiency. Power consumption does increase with core count but does not scale the same as a frequency increase because all cores do not operate at the same time, even when under load. So less power means a cooler CPU, cooler CPU means a smaller forum factor. It’s not that they cannot increase clock speed – this is easily accomplished. It’s that it is just not practical to increase clock speed….in large scales per say.


As for the x86 Intel architect you mentioned earlier, we have yet to peak this technology, it is still scalable. However, given it is so widely used it would be an extremely massive undertaking to change this. We have quite a few years left with this design so if you are holding off any computer purchases for a new architect you will be waiting quite some time. If I had to guess, I’d say at least 10 years....possibly more

 

[bombastinator]

You mean cores not processors? There is a reason behind this. It is much more efficient for a CPU to handle multiple instructions at a slower speed than it is to handle a single instruction at a faster speed. Increasing clock speed increases power consumption and decreases efficiency. Power consumption does increase with core count but does not scale the same as a frequency increase because all cores do not operate at the same time, even when under load. So less power means a cooler CPU, cooler CPU means a smaller forum factor.

As for the x86 Intel architect you mentioned earlier, we have yet to peak this technology, it is still scalable. However, given it is so widely used it would be an extremely massive undertaking to change this. We have quite a few years left with this design so if you are holding off any computer purchases for a new architect you will be waiting quite some time. If I had to guess, I’d say at least 10 years....possibly more

And if 99% of software wasn’t written for single thread it would help. But they’re not so it doesnt

 

[marianna]

@b2shamrock Do yourself a favor, buy some > Minifits <
Those are easy to refill

 

[Punk In Drublic]

And if 99% of software wasn’t written for single thread it would help. But they’re not so it doesnt

99% is a bit exaggerated but understand your point. However, the key component is your OS which is handling multiple instructions at the same time regardless of what else you are running. Applications that do not take advantage of multi threading still benefit from it for your computer is always processing instructions. Should we remove the multiple threads and just increase the speed of a single core, your computer performance will degrade. It’s just how it works.

Computers do not operate on a real time basis, instructions are queued waiting for a free clock cycle. The longer the queue, the longer we wait. Think of it as the check out at your local grocer. More open checkouts means more customers are handled efficiently vs a single faster checkout.

Intel, AMD, Microsoft, Apple, etc have offered the technology to allow developers to take advantage of multiple threads. It is now up to those developers to exploit the technology that has been made available for them. If they do not, the tech giants are not going to develop an inefficient system just to cater to them.

 

[bombastinator]

99% is a bit exaggerated but understand your point. However, the key component is your OS which is handling multiple instructions at the same time regardless of what else you are running. Applications that do not take advantage of multi threading still benefit from it for your computer is always processing instructions. Should we remove the multiple threads and just increase the speed of a single core, your computer performance will degrade. It’s just how it works.

Computers do not operate on a real time basis, instructions are queued waiting for a free clock cycle. The longer the queue, the longer we wait. Think of it as the check out at your local grocer. More open checkouts means more customers are handled efficiently vs a single faster checkout.

Intel, AMD, Microsoft, Apple, etc have offered the technology to allow developers to take advantage of multiple threads. It is now up to those developers to exploit the technology that has been made available for them. If they do not, the tech giants are not going to develop an inefficient system just to cater to them.

The end result is the same though. The newest intel chips are effective barely faster than older ones as viewed from the keyboard.

 

[djsvapour]

@b2shamrock Do yourself a favor, buy some > Minifits <
Those are easy to refill

Well said.

Juul would be dead forever if folk just asked about things like

QUESTIONS

1. Value for money
2. Quality
3. User experience

ANSWERS

1. $1,800 per year vs. $300-400
2. Equal (in my estimation)
3. Better

When Juul came out it was new and innovative but I could see it for the product it is from day one. A 'different' type of e-cigarette at an astronomical price tag.

It's days will eventually be over if the community keeps passing on the word that

NON-REFILLABLE E-CIGARETTES ARE ABOUT PROFIT NOT VAPING.

We were slaves to tobacco. Stop being a slave to cynical corporations.

Yeh... that includes Apple, Starbucks, Netflix, Juul... it just goes on, and on, and on, and on.

Free yourself people. Spend your money on better stuff for less money. It's so simple but nobody gets it.

WORD! - Brothers and sisters.

 

[Punk In Drublic]

The end result is the same though. The newest intel chips are effective barely faster than older ones as viewed from the keyboard.

There is only so much that can be done with a specific sized die or manufacturing process. And the manufacturing process is actually quite slow and inefficient (per say). You cannot jump from a Pentium 4 100 um to the current i9 14um without going through the different sizes in between. This is how microprocessors evolve and you see this across the board whether is it Intel, AMD, ARM or other. With the shrinkage of die size you get better efficiency, with better efficiency you get either more cores or higher core clocks. Given more cores are able to handle more processes they are chosen over higher clock speeds

What we are seeing now is not only an increase in core count but also the amount of PCIe lanes in direct connection with the CPU. This is a progression for anything outside a direct CPU PCIe lane becomes a bottle neck. A CPU is only as fast as the slowest utilized component within your system. SSD’s as an example have exploited the capabilities of the SATA connection. They progressed to a PCH PCIe lanes, but PCH PCIe lanes share recourses that become a bottle neck for a modern CPU. Moving that PCIe lane in direct connection to the CPU removes much of that bottle neck. It is now up to SSD developers to exploit those capabilities and come out with a faster product. You would see more of a performance increase out of this than you would through a faster clock for there is less of a bottle neck to the CPU.

You can see the above example in action by creating a RAM Disk. Assuming you have the needed amount of available RAM, software and or a Bios setting will allow you to install specific application directly into the RAM. RAM is in direct communication with the CPU, there is 0 bottleneck. Problem with this is RAM flushes with every reboot and comes in a limited size vs a HDD or SDD.

If you are looking for the utmost in performance, don't look at the clock speed, look at the amount of RAM channels, amount of cores and the amount of PCIe lanes in direct connection to the CPU and what can they be utilized with. You will gain more out of a multi core CPU, 4 vs 2 RAM channels, dedicated GPU and a SSD that utilized a direct PCIe.

 

[untar]

You can see the above example in action by creating a RAM Disk. Assuming you have the needed amount of available RAM, software and or a Bios setting will allow you to install specific application directly into the RAM. RAM is in direct communication with the CPU, there is 0 bottleneck. Problem with this is RAM flushes with every reboot and comes in a limited size vs a HDD or SDD

I had battery buffered RAM on my amiga. Used to copy the OS to it on the first boot of the day, subsequent boots were really quick.

 

[Uncle Willie]

Welcome Buy a usb Powerpack.

While you are at it, order a different e-cigarette because do you know how expensive Juul is, the running costs? Non refillable is a DISASTER.
You want pay $1,800 a year when some of us are using Pod vapes for $200-$400 a year?
Throw the Juul in the trash, get a Justfog MiniFit and buy some nice clothes or treat your friends to some Pizza.
Juul - they are laughing at the American people. We know their profit margins.

JUUL pods are refillable .. I've been at this for a number of years, and the JUUL is not a bad alternative .. in fact, they pack quite a nic punch right out of the box ..

Although they may not be the best or cheapest alternative, they are not Trash worthy ..

Whatever gets a person off cigarettes is the Prime Directive ..

 

[Punk In Drublic]

I had battery buffered RAM on my amiga. Used to copy the OS to it on the first boot of the day, subsequent boots were really quick.

Prime example of removing a bottleneck.

This is old and very outdated but also displays the performance increase when a bottleneck is removed. Bit of a fun video. Just a word of warning, they defrag a SSD in this video just to display it’s performance. Do not defrag SSD's…very bad

 

[Topwater Elvis]

I thought this was an ecig / vaping forum.

What a shame a new members thread has been hijacked with all this off topic computer talk.

You know you can have a private conversation with each other instead of pooing all over this thread,
don'tcha.

 

[classwife]

And poor OP hasn't even been back

...closing this