I have turned into that which I used to mock

[David Wolf]

I started exactly the same. I progressed to subohm high power, but not for the cloud. I just prefer the draw. As long as I have my flavor I'm happy. There are still many times I do go back and tootle, pretty much for the same reason of not drawing attention and being able to vape in hotel rooms without worrying about the smoke detector.

I remain unconvinced that high power, high VG and increased juice intake is a "progression", although I've tried DL at higher power with heavy flavoring juices (to compensate for increased air) and found it pleasant, I just see it as a different way to vape.
The new generation small pod mods using high nic nicotine salts juices that satisfy with only a few puffs I see as a real technical progression, and look forward to seeing more of them regulated (voltage or power or TC).

 

[Eskie]

I remain unconvinced that high power, high VG and increased juice intake is a "progression", although I've tried DL at higher power with heavy flavoring juices (to compensate for increased air) and found it pleasant, I just see it as a different way to vape.
The new generation small pod mods using high nic nicotine salts juices that satisfy with only a few puffs I see as a real technical progression, and look forward to seeing more of them regulated (voltage or power or TC).

My poor communication. I did not mean to infer it was a progression like climbing stairs or improving over mtl. I don't feel that at all. Perhaps transitioned would be a better word. That was based on my discovering I liked the looser vape over the tighter vape of say my Triton mini. I still use mtl stuff at lower power with a higher nic juice, and last weekend traveled to my daughter's graduation and used mtl only through the four days. I think it's just like anything else, you need to find your own happy place.

And yes, those pods are looking better and better and offer a nice alternative with an easy to carry discrete size, and not the assorted and sundry parts that traditional vape gear involves. They're perfect for a starter to get off smokes, and handy for regular vapers who want a simplified form factor, either intermittently for situations, or full time if dealing with "traditional" vape gear is getting to e too much of a hassle. Whatever keeps you from smoking is the winning way to go.

 

[David Wolf]

My poor communication. I did not mean to infer it was a progression like climbing stairs or improving over mtl. I don't feel that at all. Perhaps transitioned would be a better word. That was based on my discovering I liked the looser vape over the tighter vape of say my Triton mini. I still use mtl stuff at lower power with a higher nic juice, and last weekend traveled to my daughter's graduation and used mtl only through the four days. I think it's just like anything else, you need to find your own happy place.

And yes, those pods are looking better and better and offer a nice alternative with an easy to carry discrete size, and not the assorted and sundry parts that traditional vape gear involves. They're perfect for a starter to get off smokes, and handy for regular vapers who want a simplified form factor, either intermittently for situations, or full time if dealing with "traditional" vape gear is getting to e too much of a hassle. Whatever keeps you from smoking is the winning way to go.

You're in a unique position to be unbiased since you vape different styles and can appreciate both MTL and DL vaping. I truly believe that pod mods that use nic salts, though pricey due to pod costs, will help more folks stop smoking than the old cigalikes or the current generation of devices since they can almost instantly satisfy the nic craving like a cigarette.

 

[beckdg]

they can almost instantly satisfy the nic craving like a cigarette.

While I agree, a decent hit of higher nic on a no fuss system will help a lot of people, I feel I should point out that vaping is simply incapable of achieving satisfaction at the rate smoking affords.

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[Eskie]

You're in a unique position to be unbiased since you vape different styles and can appreciate both MTL and DL vaping. I truly believe that pod mods that use nic salts, though pricey due to pod costs, will help more folks stop smoking than the old cigalikes or the current generation of devices since they can almost instantly satisfy the nic craving like a cigarette.

The biggest impediment to pod mods is the cost. I started out on Vuse, certainly not a pod mod but still in that entry level cigalike area. I stopped smoking the same day (Yay 48 mg nic, who knew?). After several months and who knows how many cartridges I had left over (they have their own recycling where they send you a prepaid padded envelope to send the empties back) I saw it was getting a little pricey. Then I found "traditional" vaping and never went back.

I've posted before that if quality pod mods had been available back then, I might have never moved beyond them. I like my new hobby, and I always feel good mixing up some delicious juice for only pennies.

Then again, whatever pennies I save go right back into more shiny vape stuff, but it's still better than a drawer of empty cartridges.

 

[Jaguar07]

I started by vaping MTL on an Ego-C Twist with the Kanger EVODs. It proved to me that vaping could replace cigs. I transitioned to DL and Mech MODs and subohm vaping. I coil and drip MTL still for the intense flavor. I have several regulated high wattage devices that I use with a variety of tanks and RDAs. I also have a myjet and love it for the concealed and stealthy factor. Although I have entered and won a few cloud competitions, am I a cloud chaser? I think not. I prefer flavor over clouds 7 days a week and twice on Sundays. If you are vaping to escape tobacco, I'm on your side. MTL or DL is just another option set.

 

[SteveS45]

No matter if I use a Nautilus Mini or a Baby Beast Sub Ohm tank the vapor goes into my mouth before my lungs! The classification of MTL or DL is wrong because it doesn't go directly to you lungs.

 

[suprtrkr]

I never really gave this much thought before, but I was recently thinking about how I currently vape, compared to how I used to vape when I first started out vaping, which is a little over 2 years ago now.

I guess you could say that I was a tootle puffer 2 years ago. I was vaping on a cig-a-like pen, and maybe using 2 ml of ejuice per day. Most of my ejuice purchases at the time were 50 PG/50 VG. There was even one time when I ordered some juice that was 70 PG, 30 VG, because I was lead to believe that more PG = more taste. That was a big mistake by the way, it was crazy harsh, and I hated it.

I also used to poke fun at cloud chasers back then.

I've pretty much done a complete 180 since then, and even though it has never been my goal to become a cloud chaser, I do blow some decent clouds now, compared to what I did before.

My juice choices have also radically changed. Before I had 24 mg, then 18 mg, then 12 mg.

I currently use 6 mg, and my most recent juice orders were for 3 mg. I'm taking it real slow, but I figure in 6 months-12 months time, I will be at zero.

And now my juice is very VG heavy, usually around 70-80% VG, depending on the juice line that I am buying.

So basically, even though it was never my intention, I am now what some people might call a cloud chaser, even though I am not specifically trying to chase any clouds. I am just trying to have an enjoyable vape experience, and when you combine the current hardware that I am using along with the high VG juice that I am using, big clouds just come with the territory.

As a matter of fact, I will be taking a walk outside soon on the city streets where I live, and I will no doubt be leaving a trail of clouds in my path, which is quite the opposite from my tootle puffing roots.

Welcome to the dark side

I too started out tootling; there was no choice back then, pens were all there were. Fifteen watts was a high power regulated rig. I needed more though, which sent me the mechanical route, that being the only other choice at the time. I am not exactly a cloud chaser myself, but I do vape in the 25-50 watt range. It ain't about what others think. It's about an enjoyable vape and staying off the stinkies.

 

[Frenchfry1942]

Vaping is a very large world if comparing to cigarettes. I found that the learning, via the hobby, has brought me more enjoyment with my nic delivery than any one thing.

I vape for me and try and set a public example for the public consumption. I do want to see vaping succeed. I am not outside as much as used to be and notice that clouds don't present as well if someone walks into my office. So, yes, stealthier vaping is practiced.

Getting away from tobacco effects and enjoying the hobby are really my interest. Often, I vape when I want to sit and think, and doing that has changed my life just in itself.

Just happy to have the right to use something better than smoking tobacco. I am glad it has become a hobby. The recent Convention of FF Body Parts voted unanimously on that.

 

[N8erade]

I never really gave this much thought before, but I was recently thinking about how I currently vape, compared to how I used to vape when I first started out vaping, which is a little over 2 years ago now.

I guess you could say that I was a tootle puffer 2 years ago. I was vaping on a cig-a-like pen, and maybe using 2 ml of ejuice per day. Most of my ejuice purchases at the time were 50 PG/50 VG. There was even one time when I ordered some juice that was 70 PG, 30 VG, because I was lead to believe that more PG = more taste. That was a big mistake by the way, it was crazy harsh, and I hated it.

I also used to poke fun at cloud chasers back then.

I've pretty much done a complete 180 since then, and even though it has never been my goal to become a cloud chaser, I do blow some decent clouds now, compared to what I did before.

My juice choices have also radically changed. Before I had 24 mg, then 18 mg, then 12 mg.

I currently use 6 mg, and my most recent juice orders were for 3 mg. I'm taking it real slow, but I figure in 6 months-12 months time, I will be at zero.

And now my juice is very VG heavy, usually around 70-80% VG, depending on the juice line that I am buying.

So basically, even though it was never my intention, I am now what some people might call a cloud chaser, even though I am not specifically trying to chase any clouds. I am just trying to have an enjoyable vape experience, and when you combine the current hardware that I am using along with the high VG juice that I am using, big clouds just come with the territory.

As a matter of fact, I will be taking a walk outside soon on the city streets where I live, and I will no doubt be leaving a trail of clouds in my path, which is quite the opposite from my tootle puffing roots.

This was kind of interesting to hear. I never thought there would be people who thought this way until very recently. I was introduced to vaping through VG heavy juice and never really tried much else.

 

[Cosmic_Glaze]

Why is there such a divide between Mtl and DL?
I quit smoking using Mtl devices. I Then jumped on the sub ohm craze when it first come out. Did it for like a year. I kept getting bigger and more powerful devices thinking it would fix that craving. Well what I found out was I just really needed a higher nic and a throat hit that a Mtl device provided me. Everyone is different that's why there is such a variety of products in this industry. What ever works for someone well... go for it your not smoking. That's the point.

Oh and please, reviewers and everyone.... do not state that Mtls are "beginner" vapes and eventually you can move on to something more advanced like a DL devices. "Rebuildables" are advanced. Not the style of vaping Mtl to DL. Dropping a coil in a Nautilus vs a Cleito 120 takes the same skill set.
I would not suggest my Mtl Kayfun on a mech mod to a beginner.

Vape what you like and enjoy it.



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[r77r7r]

I'm a bit jealous- completely out of bounds to vape indoors where I am, aside from in your own home, or perhaps someone else's. In the town I work in vaping is prohibited in parks and other public spaces, and within 25 feet of public buildings. I still vape in the parks when having lunch, etc, but I do so very discreetly, because the fine is actually significant. Just another reason I'm 100% a tootle puffer by day (tootling in the bathroom at work, which is wicked illegal, is another.)

EDIT: One nice thing is that I have yet to hear anyone come out of the bathroom at work and complain "It really smells of strawberries in there... what the hell have you people been eating?" I suppose if someone did the answer would be obvious: strawberries, right?

A bathroom that smells like strawberries? We should start leaving Tip Your Vapor jars near the door for the great service we provide!
Had Chili last night? Sure, I'll accompany you to the john-$5

 

[Dan40]

Whatever you like that is great. I mix my own and do mtl with an aspire K1 tank. It works for me. Tomorrow it will be one year without a cig. I never had an argument with someone over what brand of cig they smoked. To each his own. Thanks to vaping my new hobble is going back to the gym after 40 years of smoking

 

[Puff2K]

Whatever you like that is great. I mix my own and do mtl with an aspire K1 tank. It works for me. Tomorrow it will be one year without a cig. I never had an argument with someone over what brand of cig they smoked. To each his own. Thanks to vaping my new hobble is going back to the gym after 40 years of smoking

Happy vapaversary!

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[sofarsogood]

Apparently I'm a tootlepuffing snob. I figure the cloud chasers will grow out of it. The things I don't want to increase are daily ml's, power or size of my rig. Lower power means an LG HG2 lasts a full work day with capacity to spare. Less vapor production (and higher nic %) means I can sneak a puff pretty much anytime anywhere including in those long lines at Walmart. A single battery Pico with a short rda is easy to carry and discrete to use. Most of the guys at work blow the big clouds and they lug around these big shoe box mods so there's room for all the batteries. And to make bigger clouds you need more wire and most of my vaping coworkers aren't going build coils for that so they pay quite a lot of money for the cloud chaser coil heads. My $10 250' roll of 30 AWG stainless will probably last 20 years. Tootle puffers rule.

 

[EIHYPI]

I tootle puff and cloud chase throught my day. I get the best of both worlds. I appreciate both for what they are. This two setups in my pic are my two that I take with me wherever I go I didn't need to choose sides. Both are enjoyable for me. Vape on

 

[daviedog]

When i have a Steak, i don't count the calories.
When i vape, i don't concern myself with PG/VG ratios.

I don't consume numbers..

 

[David Wolf]

Apparently I'm a tootlepuffing snob. I figure the cloud chasers will grow out of it. The things I don't want to increase are daily ml's, power or size of my rig. Lower power means an LG HG2 lasts a full work day with capacity to spare. Less vapor production (and higher nic %) means I can sneak a puff pretty much anytime anywhere including in those long lines at Walmart. A single battery Pico with a short rda is easy to carry and discrete to use. Most of the guys at work blow the big clouds and they lug around these big shoe box mods so there's room for all the batteries. And to make bigger clouds you need more wire and most of my vaping coworkers aren't going build coils for that so they pay quite a lot of money for the cloud chaser coil heads. My $10 250' roll of 30 AWG stainless will probably last 20 years. Tootle puffers rule.

Sometimes I don't even carry my mod to work, just two tiny Myjet pod mods in my pocket and hardly notice they're there. Talk about stealth!

 

[David Wolf]

I tootle puff and cloud chase throught my day. I get the best of both worlds. I appreciate both for what they are. This two setups in my pic are my two that I take with me wherever I go I didn't need to choose sides. Both are enjoyable for me. Vape onView attachment 658733

Hey there are a lot more of you dual users, and even triple with pod mods thrown in, out there than I thought reading comments in this thread. And woah that N2/Target Mini setup just looks awesome!

 

[numsquat]

I can relate to a lot of what you are saying but I also thought I would be at Zero and was making some 1.5MG for a while but now3MG all the time because Zero in my opinion sucked. If I vape Zero I figure why vape at all? I am not stopping vaping!

I also dropped my nic down to zero but went back to 3mg & 1mg. For most of my flavors I will make at both nic levels. The 1mg is for when I'm chain vaping, usually when driving (not unusual to spend over half my day in a vehicle at work 1-2 days/week plus personal travel) or when I just hanging out at home brewing, smoking/grilling or watching tv. I'm also an ex-dipper, not ex-smoker, and having the extended nic consumption versus the short term "hits" that smokers do leads me to be more of a chain vaper.

Never really cared how others vaped but am that way with most things in my life. You do what you want to, I do what I want, and as long as no one impedes what the other is doing it's all cool.

I did run across my old T3S clearomizers and a couple boxes of coils the other day while cleaning out some drawers, so I cleaned then up and plan on using them at work at the office.